Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Some people should look at things in a more calculated way.
China is the West's most precious ally in the long run, should a "clash of civilisations" occur (i.e, a war with Islamic countries). The West's democratic ideals, political correctness and open society make it an easy prey for the mullahs (and this is valid for both the U.S. and E.U.), while China is never going to succumb to this religious cancer.
What makes the West easy prey for the "mullahs" is Western machinations in the Arab world the last century or so. Many Arab states were created by the victors of WWI and that meddling has continued to this day. They know all there is to know about the West's "democratic ideals", after all they have experienced them first hand (see Saddam, the Shah, the various Kings, Dictators and murderous thughs etc. propped up by the "democratic" and "politically correct" West).
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'Lack of understanding'
Mr Straw said the US government was suspicious of "the motives of some other countries within the EU" in wanting the ban lifted.
But he said many of Washington's objections were based on a "lack of information and understanding" of how export control guidelines worked in EU countries.
And "intense discussions" were taking place with US officials to convince them it was the right thing to do.
Washington is thought to fear it would lead to a buying spree for arms that could be used by China to threaten its diplomatic rival Taiwan.
US officials say they are not satisfied the mechanisms in the EU code of conduct are robust enough to prevent abuses.
US Undersecretary of State John Bolton is meeting British officials this week to press the case for keeping the embargo.
Simply nonsense. The Islamic countries are a minor nusiance next to the threat that China presents. Even a major terrorist attacks with a WMD won't come close to doing the damage that China could do to the US with its nuclear arsenal. The hyping of the threat from Islamic terrorists makes people forget where the real long term threat is.Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Some people should look at things in a more calculated way.
China is the West's most precious ally in the long run, should a "clash of civilisations" occur (i.e, a war with Islamic countries). The West's democratic ideals, political correctness and open society make it an easy prey for the mullahs (and this is valid for both the U.S. and E.U.), while China is never going to succumb to this religious cancer.
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Simply nonsense. The Islamic countries are a minor nusiance next to the threat that China presents. Even a major terrorist attacks with a WMD won't come close to doing the damage that China could do to the US with its nuclear arsenal. The hyping of the threat from Islamic terrorists makes people forget where the real long term threat is.Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Some people should look at things in a more calculated way.
China is the West's most precious ally in the long run, should a "clash of civilisations" occur (i.e, a war with Islamic countries). The West's democratic ideals, political correctness and open society make it an easy prey for the mullahs (and this is valid for both the U.S. and E.U.), while China is never going to succumb to this religious cancer.
Actually I'd say that's just putting the blame at the wrong party. Taiwan has a clear moral right to officially declare indepedance and we shoiuld not blame them if they choose to do so. The problem is with China refusing to accept the reality. Admitedly it would probably be better if Taiwan avoids the likelyhood of conflict over what would be primary a symbolic matter, but ultimately I would put the blame for taking military action over this matter clearly at China.Originally posted by: ManSnake
Our real threat is a Bush-proclaimed SOB - Chen Shui-bian.
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Actually I'd say that's just putting the blame at the wrong party. Taiwan has a clear moral right to officially declare indepedance and we shoiuld not blame them if they choose to do so. The problem is with China refusing to accept the reality. Admitedly it would probably be better if Taiwan avoids the likelyhood of conflict over what would be primary a symbolic matter, but ultimately I would put the blame for taking military action over this matter clearly at China.Originally posted by: ManSnake
Our real threat is a Bush-proclaimed SOB - Chen Shui-bian.
Unless Chen declares independance on his own, he's not doing so against the will of the Taiwanese population. Most theoretical ways Taiwan would do so would involved a referendum so they would involve the support of the majority of Taiwan's population.Originally posted by: ManSnake
From countless surveys done in the past year, majority of the Taiwanese population prefer status quo over independence/reunification.
Shanghai Communique clearly states:
"The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States Government does not challenge that position. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves."
The recent Powell speech regarding this matter reaffirms our(US) position on the Taiwan issue.
Chen Shui-bian alone is trying to create problems between us and China, without the consent of the Taiwanese people, I might add. So Chen Shui-bian is the evil-doer. He is the real problem. He is the biggest threat to our security.
Originally posted by: MadRat
The EU is seeding WW4 if they arm the red Chinese. Its pure madness to sell them high tech weaponry. I'm pretty perplexed as to what positive angle could be spun by this recent change of heart. Sure the U.S. has let a few shipments of jet engines through, but none of these amounted to anything that was not already available to the civilian market. Selling high definition radar and logistics infrastructure to the Chinese is only going to hasten the reds in bringing down the blues in Taiwan.
Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Originally posted by: MadRat
The EU is seeding WW4 if they arm the red Chinese. Its pure madness to sell them high tech weaponry. I'm pretty perplexed as to what positive angle could be spun by this recent change of heart. Sure the U.S. has let a few shipments of jet engines through, but none of these amounted to anything that was not already available to the civilian market. Selling high definition radar and logistics infrastructure to the Chinese is only going to hasten the reds in bringing down the blues in Taiwan.
So?
Im more worried with USA than China.
Your country fought all big wars last century or was selling weapons for them. Your country fvcking armed Saddam! Its all about money, your country do the same, why do you fvcking complain about this?
You can invade and rape Iraq but China cant invade Taiwan? Why your country is always right and is the good one? I dont understand.
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Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your country fought all big wars last century or was selling weapons for them.
Your country fvcking armed Saddam!
Its all about money, your country do the same, why do you fvcking complain about this?
You can invade and rape Iraq but China cant invade Taiwan? Why your country is always right and is the good one? I dont understand.
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your country fought all big wars last century or was selling weapons for them.
Yeah, there was this thing called the Cold War. Maybe you would have liked for that other team to have won.
Your country fvcking armed Saddam!
More than one country gave arms to Saddam.
Its all about money, your country do the same, why do you fvcking complain about this?
Agreed - everything is about money. However I think the OP is against the sale of high tech weaponry, not all weaponry.
You can invade and rape Iraq but China cant invade Taiwan? Why your country is always right and is the good one? I dont understand.
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You're an idiot if you're comparing Taiwan today to Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
I see we just have another blind idiot here.
Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Iraq under Saddam was better than now and your a$shole war president decide to invade just for the oil. WMD? What a joke.
Im the blind idiot??? Hahahaha, im not the one who got lied in the face and reelected that piece of $hit Bush. You idiot.
Time to sleep, 4AM here.
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Simply nonsense. The Islamic countries are a minor nusiance next to the threat that China presents. Even a major terrorist attacks with a WMD won't come close to doing the damage that China could do to the US with its nuclear arsenal. The hyping of the threat from Islamic terrorists makes people forget where the real long term threat is.Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Some people should look at things in a more calculated way.
China is the West's most precious ally in the long run, should a "clash of civilisations" occur (i.e, a war with Islamic countries). The West's democratic ideals, political correctness and open society make it an easy prey for the mullahs (and this is valid for both the U.S. and E.U.), while China is never going to succumb to this religious cancer.