So what would you do if you happen to find Kiddie porn on your best friend's computer?

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Braznor


So would you overcome your feelings of friendship and report him to law enforcement?

no, i would not report him.

i would continue to be a friend and drive it home that he needs to cut that sh#t out or else our friendship is in jeopardy.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Eluding to what others have said...most of you think pr0n with a 14-17 year old is absolutely horrid and disturbing, but only because society has told you it is. Seriously. If you go to countries where age of consent is 13, 14, 15 (which I have, although not for THAT reason LOL) people dont even think twice about it. They look at it the same as most people look at regular pr0n. Its all about our society views. Why would most of the world think sex with a 15 or 16 year old is normal, yet most people in the USA think its soooooo criminal, wrong, etc? It's because society has taught us that its wrong. Sociology 101.

Again, that is because in some societies, a girl choices are get married and have kids (which is totally fine IMO) or be a spinster. In the US, it is different, and with the education system the way it is, a person is not socially independant till 18-24 (depending on when they start supporting themselves).

But again, in another society, totally acceptable. In modern US or some European societies (where life choices are abundant), it is much harder for it to be socially ethical.

Morally ethical - when a girl or a guy is ready to procreate and marry

**EDIT**
BTW. I find that is an excuse for most Pedos living in the States.
you are on the "other" 50% now

Actually you are quite wrong on this. In societies where women marry younger it has more to do with their responsibility than it does their choices. Many times in a family with a daughter as the oldest child, she takes on many responsibilites at a young age. So the maturity level of these women at say, 15, is far greater than that of a 15 year old in America.

As far as excuses for pedos, I wouldnt have the foggiest idea what their excuses are, as I dont know any. Aperrantly you seem well informed though

Societal differences (you say "responsibility", I say lack of choice <family pressure and social pressure> ). U.S. can not and will probably never be a society where this is feasible or socially ethical. If you want to marry a young girl, do so in another society.

As for being well informed, as I mentioned before, part of what I do is track these guys, so

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Eluding to what others have said...most of you think pr0n with a 14-17 year old is absolutely horrid and disturbing, but only because society has told you it is. Seriously. If you go to countries where age of consent is 13, 14, 15 (which I have, although not for THAT reason LOL) people dont even think twice about it. They look at it the same as most people look at regular pr0n. Its all about our society views. Why would most of the world think sex with a 15 or 16 year old is normal, yet most people in the USA think its soooooo criminal, wrong, etc? It's because society has taught us that its wrong. Sociology 101.

Again, that is because in some societies, a girl choices are get married and have kids (which is totally fine IMO) or be a spinster. In the US, it is different, and with the education system the way it is, a person is not socially independant till 18-24 (depending on when they start supporting themselves).

But again, in another society, totally acceptable. In modern US or some European societies (where life choices are abundant), it is much harder for it to be socially ethical.

Morally ethical - when a girl or a guy is ready to procreate and marry

**EDIT**
BTW. I find that is an excuse for most Pedos living in the States.
you are on the "other" 50% now

Actually you are quite wrong on this. In societies where women marry younger it has more to do with their responsibility than it does their choices. Many times in a family with a daughter as the oldest child, she takes on many responsibilites at a young age. So the maturity level of these women at say, 15, is far greater than that of a 15 year old in America.

As far as excuses for pedos, I wouldnt have the foggiest idea what their excuses are, as I dont know any. Aperrantly you seem well informed though

Societal differences (you say "responsibility", I say lack of choice <family pressure and social pressure> ). U.S. can not and will probably never be a society where this is feasible or socially ethical. If you want to marry a young girl, do so in another society.

As for being well informed, as I mentioned before, part of what I do is track these guys, so

Well, then I guess you would know what their excuses are As far as never be acceptable....funny one! It was accectable for longer than it hasnt been in this country, soooo. Anyway...it's all about societies perception of right and wrong. Another example, and Im not trying to derail the thread but merely make a point, is prostitution. Many countries dont have a problem with it, many do. Again, sociology 101. A people's opinion generally reflect the laws of their country.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
if he made the kiddie porn.. yes turn him in..
if he just has it.. warn him

yes. good call. making the kiddie porn is way different than having it.

Hmmm... good point

But one does usually lead to another.

i do not beleive looking at kiddie porn is going to lead to makeing it.

But someone had to have made it for him to possess it. His demand encourages further supply.

A lot people here don't seem to understand how bad this messes up these children...
I don't give a fvck about helping or protecting an adult who gets his kicks from seeing a child's innocence stolen. 1 warning in case it wasn't his or something, then if I find anymore, police asap.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, then I guess you would know what their excuses are As far as never be acceptable....funny one! It was accectable for longer than it hasnt been in this country, soooo. Anyway...it's all about societies perception of right and wrong. Another example, and Im not trying to derail the thread but merely make a point, is prostitution. Many countries dont have a problem with it, many do. Again, sociology 101. A people's opinion generally reflect the laws of their country.

It goes back to the fact that 30-40 years ago, woman didn't have as many life choices as they do now. Start a family was basically the only really accepted idea. Again, sociology 101. :roll: Give me a break dude. You sound like a poster child for "NAMBLA" j/k, but only slightly.

But yes, it does have some ethics involved in it, but I think social ethics play more of a role than the slow progresssion of conservative values (individual ethics) withint the last 10 years. But yeah, the US is pretty bass-ackwards about certain things now. Who knows, if they could make figure out a way to tell what the maturity level and potential of an individual early on, maybe it would be possible for this, otherwise, social ethics come into play.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: MrPickins
But someone had to have made it for him to possess it. His demand encourages further supply.

A lot people here don't seem to understand how bad this messes up these children...
I don't give a fvck about helping or protecting an adult who gets his kicks from seeing a child's innocence stolen. 1 warning in case it wasn't his or something, then if I find anymore, police asap.

I am betting half of these people have never actually seen the aftermath of preteen and even teenage sexual abuse. I have seen it, it isn't pretty.

The girl was in all likelyhood going to be valedvictorian, she ended up dropping out and becoming a drug user and drifter.

 

[firewall]

Format the HD FTW....

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: MrPickins
But someone had to have made it for him to possess it. His demand encourages further supply.

A lot people here don't seem to understand how bad this messes up these children...
I don't give a fvck about helping or protecting an adult who gets his kicks from seeing a child's innocence stolen. 1 warning in case it wasn't his or something, then if I find anymore, police asap.

I am betting half of these people have never actually seen the aftermath of preteen and even teenage sexual abuse. I have seen it, it isn't pretty.

The girl was in all likelyhood going to be valedvictorian, she ended up dropping out and becoming a drug user and drifter.

unfortanatly i have seen the aftermath. We did foster care for a few years and my wife's mother did it for like 10 years.

yes the majority end up being a shell of what they could/should be. one was mollested by her uncle from 7-10. she wouldnt talk to any male (besides me and my FIL). it took about a year before she would talk to me and another year before she would give me a hug. BUT good news is she is now 21 and lives on her own going to college. i heard she even has a boyfriend.

sadly that is the only postive story i have. i have some others that are sad but no need to talk about those. sigh

wich is one of the many reasons we do not do foster care anymore.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: waggy
unfortanatly i have seen the aftermath. We did foster care for a few years and my wife's mother did it for like 10 years.

yes the majority end up being a shell of what they could/should be. one was mollested by her uncle from 7-10. she wouldnt talk to any male (besides me and my FIL). it took about a year before she would talk to me and another year before she would give me a hug. BUT good news is she is now 21 and lives on her own going to college. i heard she even has a boyfriend.

sadly that is the only postive story i have. i have some others that are sad but no need to talk about those. sigh

wich is one of the many reasons we do not do foster care anymore.

If only those guys (with the twisted thinking) realized how messed up they can make someone by doing this.

**EDIT**
BTW, have you ever seen "The Woodsman"? Pretty interesting.

 

[Chiropteran]

Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL


Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL


Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

that would be correct if there was not a huge diffrence between child porn and having MP3's.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL


Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

that would be correct if there was not a huge diffrence between child porn and having MP3's.

Not according to the RIAA

But yeah, one is debatable whether it causes any harm to an individual or society, the other clearly hurt the individual and also hurts society (it makes people afraid of other people).

I mean, anyone remember when it was okay to leave your front door unlocked while in the house?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL


Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

that would be correct if there was not a huge diffrence between child porn and having MP3's.

Not according to the RIAA

But yeah, one is debatable whether it causes any harm to an individual or society, the other clearly hurt the individual and also hurts society (it makes people afraid of other people).

I mean, anyone remember when it was okay to leave your front door unlocked while in the house?

well the RIAA is screwed in the head.

heh i leave my front door unlocked most the time. but then again i live in a very small town (maybe 100 people in it!) so that might be a reason im ok with it..heh

 

[Chiropteran]

what if the child porn was made in another country, totally legally?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
what if the child porn was made in another country, totally legally?

do you really think that matters for US LAW?

 

[imported_goku]

What do you define as kiddie porn? To the govt. it's anyone under 18 which I think is a crock of sh*t.

 

[XtremepH]

Warn him and then probably end our friendship.

 

[g8wayrebel]

If the pics are of children , turn him in.
Teens are one thing , but I think everyone can discern the difference
between a child and a sexually attractive teen to a reasonable standard.
Perverted and sick are two totally different categories no matter what society you are in.
Most guys would at least glance at a teen , but there's a big difference there from lusting a child.
I have been to sporting events where even the girls (adults) along with us laughed and said "let'em grow up first" and thought nothing of it.
I have also seeen people at public functions looking at "little girls" in ways that couldn't be healthy.
There is a huge difference.

 

[Staples]

If he was featured in the kiddie porn then yes, he is a child molester. But if he is just into 'weird' stuff and it is a victimless crime, then no.

I think law enforcement has other much important things to worry about even if they don't agree.

 

[Staples]

Ok, I find this thread hilarious now after reading it.

I love how everyone takes the moral high ground.

Next thread about where to steal music from, I expect everyone to tell the OP that this is an illegal activity.

Oh, but that that does not happen at Anandtech, every law bidding citizen in this thread is pro stealing music.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL

Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

Illegality does not always mean immorality.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL


Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

that would be correct if there was not a huge diffrence between child porn and having MP3's.

No, I still agree that reporting one thing to the law and reporting the other thing to the law are identical. You could be like my dad and completely believe that downloading illegal music is very immoral just as most Americans believe child pornography is immoral. In both situations you have identical options.

1. Be a vigilante and reformat the hard drive
2. Report them to the authorities
3. Tolerate it or ignore it
4. Confront them


I have opinions for each of these.

1. I think this is rather misguided. You'll probably lose a friend, and the friend will immediately put up psychological resistance that may actually prevent them from taking a second look at their actions. Your chances of any sort of "conversion" are nil, even if there was hope beforehand.

2. I think this is very cowardly. Again, psychological defenses go way up when confrontation is strong. Nobody wants their character defamed, so even if someone truly believes an action was wrong, they'll defend it just to maintain their reputation and start to believe themselves that it was OK.

3. If you find the action wrong, you're obligated in my book to do something, especially if you have at least a little power over the situation. I would rather see choice one than choice three, but I frankly like neither.

4. I think some gentle confrontation is the best bet here. You don't immediately trash any chances of keeping a friendship, and you don't immediately trash any chances of your friend stopping a self-destructive habit.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL


Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

that would be correct if there was not a huge diffrence between child porn and having MP3's.

Not according to the RIAA

But yeah, one is debatable whether it causes any harm to an individual or society, the other clearly hurt the individual and also hurts society (it makes people afraid of other people).

I mean, anyone remember when it was okay to leave your front door unlocked while in the house?

well the RIAA is screwed in the head.

heh i leave my front door unlocked most the time. but then again i live in a very small town (maybe 100 people in it!) so that might be a reason im ok with it..heh

I live in downtown Orlando. My front door, my garage, and my car are all unlocked right now. I'd rather live with freedom than live in fear.

(You can obviously tell I'm against the modern anti-terrorist mayhem, but that's for a different forum...)

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Just pretend the topic was:

Topic Title: So what would you do if you happen to find illegal mp3s on your best friend's computer?

Topic Summary: ..and he does not heed your warning? POLL

Anyone who would vote "Report him to the Law" in one case, but not the other is a huge hypocrite.

Illegality does not always mean immorality.

Anyone who follows very high moral standards believes that one should follow the law of the land (even if it's crazy) as long as the law isn't immoral. The law might be amoral, but as long as it isn't immoral, one should follow it.

Do I believe this? No. This is just what I've been told. I believe that the only way to change crazy laws is to break them out of protest. (It must have been very crazy for Rosa Parks to not give up her seat. Think about it.) I'm not saying I believe child porn is OK by any stretch, nor am I necessarily saying that I believe downloading music is good for the industry. I'm just generalizing the conflict of morality and legality.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
if he made the kiddie porn.. yes turn him in..
if he just has it.. warn him

yes. good call. making the kiddie porn is way different than having it.

except that users give reaons for producers to provide...