So, where do you suppose this kid got his guns?

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Zebo

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Wrong we should let all of our kids carry guns at school. No kid can kill others if everyone has a gun!

This is why I carried to every school I went to (age permitting) at no point in time was some dumb kid going to kill me cause he did not study for finals!

Really? That's against the law since a long time ago.

But it would certainly stop kids roaming the halls going class to class executing their victims like so many of these horrible stories I've read. 1-2 max then assailant dies.
 

Zebo

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My dad never locked weapons away - though did keep ammo and firearms separate. He hadn't shown me where everything was until I was a teenager, but by then he had made crystal clear the nature of firearm safety and proper handling.
Is that enough? In my eyes, yes. Someone who is fucked up is going to find things they can use one way or another, and with dedication, it isn't exactly all that difficult. I don't know any firearm salesman that operate out of vans or alleys, but I guarantee it wouldn't be difficult to find one (especially here in Toledo), as long as I talked to the right individuals, probably getting in contact with a friend of a friend of a friend.

And hell, I knew where most of all my dad's things were before I was even a teenager, I reckon. Christmas snooping sometimes ends up with finding things you didn't expect, and sometimes things you wish you hadn't seen. D:

Anyhow, point was made earlier in this post.

Those firearms I've still never touched unless my dad has brought them out. Playing around with guns is an absolutely stupid idea, that was something I knew my whole life. Hell, simply being 8 or 10 or whatever, and hearing on the news some kid your age died when he and his brother were playing around with a handgun they found... that kind of perks up your mind a little. I got the chances to fire those very pistols, or my grandpas rifle, when I was young... out in the country on relative's farm, and felt that was sufficient for my curiosity at that age.

And imho, having weapons locked is simply an excuse to not instill the fear and respect (of firearms) into young children. And such safety measures only add unnecessary delay if one desperately needs said firearms (unless, of course... one doesn't believe in using a firearm inside the house to protect the property... then that delay doesn't ever come into question I guess).

My dad made it crystal clear with 5 boys ass whoopin would commence if you touched a gun when he was not around. We didnt.

Obviously taught us safety and hunting, reloading and stuff when we were under his supervision
 
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AyashiKaibutsu

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My dad made it crystal clear with 5 boys ass whoopin would commence if you touched a gun when he was not around. We didnt.

If one is planning on killing a bunch of your peers/teachers, I doubt an ass whoopin is really going to be a deterrent.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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You guys completely miss the point as always. The reason there are so many school shootings nowadays is that kids have nothing to do. Bring back child labor and kids won't have time to think about shooting anyone!

Whether you jest or not, I still agree with this.

Young adults are seriously immature these days - back in the old day, they weren't coddled, they worked to some degree (with family or at the factory), and they got the fear of their father seriously hammered home.

Now all of that is a crime. And what do we have? Well, look around - little shits are everywhere, and hell, some don't even grow out of that little shit phase. All such men and women need some serious lessons in hard work and surviving. Something I'm sure anyone from early 20th century and prior (or African tribal folk) could attest.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Really? That's against the law since a long time ago.

But it would certainly stop kids roaming the halls going class to class executing their victims like so many of these horrible stories I've read. 1-2 max then assailant dies.

I can imagine the mayhem when a giant crowd of kids all starts drawing guns in a hallway after a group of kids starts firing. How many accomplices did the original have? Did that kid that shot down the hall fire at someone firing or is he the guy firing? Not to mention the havoc echos can cause with peoples sense of direction.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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My dad never locked weapons away - though did keep ammo and firearms separate. He hadn't shown me where everything was until I was a teenager, but by then he had made crystal clear the nature of firearm safety and proper handling.
Is that enough? In my eyes, yes. Someone who is fucked up is going to find things they can use one way or another, and with dedication, it isn't exactly all that difficult. I don't know any firearm salesman that operate out of vans or alleys, but I guarantee it wouldn't be difficult to find one (especially here in Toledo), as long as I talked to the right individuals, probably getting in contact with a friend of a friend of a friend.

And hell, I knew where most of all my dad's things were before I was even a teenager, I reckon. Christmas snooping sometimes ends up with finding things you didn't expect, and sometimes things you wish you hadn't seen. D:

Anyhow, point was made earlier in this post.

Those firearms I've still never touched unless my dad has brought them out. Playing around with guns is an absolutely stupid idea, that was something I knew my whole life. Hell, simply being 8 or 10 or whatever, and hearing on the news some kid your age died when he and his brother were playing around with a handgun they found... that kind of perks up your mind a little. I got the chances to fire those very pistols, or my grandpas rifle, when I was young... out in the country on relative's farm, and felt that was sufficient for my curiosity at that age.

And imho, having weapons locked is simply an excuse to not instill the fear and respect (of firearms) into young children. And such safety measures only add unnecessary delay if one desperately needs said firearms (unless, of course... one doesn't believe in using a firearm inside the house to protect the property... then that delay doesn't ever come into question I guess).

I disagree. I think locking your weapons should be part of discussing with your child the responsibility of owning firearms along with safety instruction.

I'm sure I could have found the ammo if I had been so inclined...man, there would have been hell to pay if he found out though.
 

JulesMaximus

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Wrong we should let all of our kids carry guns at school. No kid can kill others if everyone has a gun!

This is why I carried to every school I went to (age permitting) at no point in time was some dumb kid going to kill me cause he did not study for finals!

You're out of your mind. This is the worst idea ever.
 

Zebo

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Inprint Biometric Safe is the way to fly if you are worried about your kids and their friends while still wanting quick access.
 

thegimp03

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Probably took them from his dad? What a waste, at least he didn't kill anybody but himself.
 

BudAshes

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Personally I would ALWAYS lock my guns up when I'm not at home. Someone could break in, a kids friend could steal it etc and then I would feel responsible for any damage that was done in the future with my property because I was too lazy.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Personally I would ALWAYS lock my guns up when I'm not at home. Someone could break in, a kids friend could steal it etc and then I would feel responsible for any damage that was done in the future with my property because I was too lazy.

Finally, a responsible gun owner...

I was beginning to think those words together might be an oxymoron.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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Finally, a responsible gun owner...

I was beginning to think those words together might be an oxymoron.

Actually, most gun owners are responsible.
But just like alcohol users, its always the biggest idiots who make headlines, even if they're a small percentage.

It doesnt help that since the supreme court recently upheld the 2nd amendment in several cases, a lot of newspapers and other media formats have focused their eyes on anything that involves guns.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/guns/index.html?hpid=topnews
 

JulesMaximus

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Actually, most gun owners are responsible.
But just like alcohol users, its always the biggest idiots who make headlines, even if they're a small percentage.

It doesnt help that since the supreme court recently upheld the 2nd amendment in several cases, a lot of newspapers and other media formats have focused their eyes on anything that involves guns.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/guns/index.html?hpid=topnews

Well, he's just the first one to post in this thread I guess.

Oh, and it's kind of hard to ignore a 15 year old holding his classmates hostage for hours and then killing himself at the end of the ordeal.

Maybe if Fox News were in charge they could have buried this report with more Natalie Holloway updates? After all, guns don't kill people, Joran van der Sloot does!
 
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pontifex

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Whose to say those are relavent to this discussion? Or that it was thoroughly researched?

wow, this is just...retarded.

you ask for proof, you're given proof, and then claim the proof might not be relevant or thoroughly researched without even looking at it yourself. if this isn't the definition of troll or standard anti-gun activist behavior, then i don't know what is.
 

Squisher

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In that part of the country, the guns were probably the kid's. It used to be in areas where people just leave their keys in their cars, kids would bring their guns to school for show and tell.
 

destrekor

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Well, he's just the first one to post in this thread I guess.

Oh, and it's kind of hard to ignore a 15 year old holding his classmates hostage for hours and then killing himself at the end of the ordeal.

Maybe if Fox News were in charge they could have buried this report with more Natalie Holloway updates? After all, guns don't kill people, Joran van der Sloot does!

So you're saying just because a firearm isn't locked away, a firearm owner is irresponsible?

If it's locked away, only the person with the key (or fingerprint) can unlock it. Good, right? Not quite, because a kid who has been taught the proper respect could possibly use it to defend the house just as well as an adult. That was always my first thought when growing up: "If I'm home, and my parents aren't, and someone breaks into the house, I'm running for the gun and then the phone."
Instead of locking it away, teach kids not to ever tell their friends about the firearms (again, goes back to instilling fear and respect into your kids)... and then also make sure it's hidden out of the way. If someone is completely throwing everyone around in your house looking for everything possible valuable, they'd probably be able to just take a damn safe anyway.

But, if I had the ability and the income to do so, I'd use a biometric in-wall safe, hidden behind a wall mirror or photo frame. Hopefully one that can be programmed to unlock for multiple owners.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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wow, this is just...retarded.

you ask for proof, you're given proof, and then claim the proof might not be relevant or thoroughly researched without even looking at it yourself. if this isn't the definition of troll or standard anti-gun activist behavior, then i don't know what is.

What a world we would live in if everyone took wikipedia as the gospel and end all of research. Only a moron would cite wikipedia as a definitive source of all information on a subject. Look at that link...there's maybe a page worth of data on all school shootings from 1960-2010. It proves nothing.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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So you're saying just because a firearm isn't locked away, a firearm owner is irresponsible?

If it's locked away, only the person with the key (or fingerprint) can unlock it. Good, right? Not quite, because a kid who has been taught the proper respect could possibly use it to defend the house just as well as an adult. That was always my first thought when growing up: "If I'm home, and my parents aren't, and someone breaks into the house, I'm running for the gun and then the phone."
Instead of locking it away, teach kids not to ever tell their friends about the firearms (again, goes back to instilling fear and respect into your kids)... and then also make sure it's hidden out of the way. If someone is completely throwing everyone around in your house looking for everything possible valuable, they'd probably be able to just take a damn safe anyway.

But, if I had the ability and the income to do so, I'd use a biometric in-wall safe, hidden behind a wall mirror or photo frame. Hopefully one that can be programmed to unlock for multiple owners.

If a 15 year old gets ahold of it? Fuck yes I'm saying that! There's a reason we don't allow children to legally buy and own firearms in this country. There's a reason why children aren't allowed to bring guns to school. Leaving your guns lying around the house for anyone to pick up is irresponsible.

Good luck stealing my gun safe. It weighs 300lbs empty and it is bolted to the concrete slab in my garage.
 
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