JM, was that a challenge?
/cue Mission Impossible theme......
City boys.:thumbsdown: It may not seem like it now but I was mature enough go hunting after school in HS and so were my brothers and friends. ~2-3 pm. No adult supervision.If a 15 year old gets ahold of it? Fuck yes I'm saying that! There's a reason we don't allow children to legally buy and own firearms in this country. There's a reason why children aren't allowed to bring guns to school. Leaving your guns lying around the house for anyone to pick up is irresponsible.
Good luck stealing my gun safe. It weighs 300lbs empty and it is bolted to the concrete slab in my garage.
That is entirely my point...how does a 15 year old kid gain access to that sort of tool?
I have an 8 year old and I keep my guns locked up. I sure as hell don't want some other 8 year old bringing Daddy's handgun to school and offing himself or my kid.
If that's the school my son was attending I'd want some fucking answers!
from the United States of America?So, where do you suppose this kid got his guns?
If a 15 year old gets ahold of it? Fuck yes I'm saying that! There's a reason we don't allow children to legally buy and own firearms in this country. There's a reason why children aren't allowed to bring guns to school. Leaving your guns lying around the house for anyone to pick up is irresponsible.
Good luck stealing my gun safe. It weighs 300lbs empty and it is bolted to the concrete slab in my garage.
anyone else confused as to what he was trying to accomplish?
Actually there's no GOOD reason for those things. It's entirely fear mongering without basis. When those things were legal and common there were no problems. It's the other cultural determinates, not the weapons, which are the issue.
Gun safes? No good reason to have one? How about, "I don't want someone breaking into my house and stealing them and then using them to commit crimes?" Where do you think criminals get guns anyway? Besides gun shows in states with lax gun laws of course...
A close friend of mine had his car stolen many years ago and he had a Sig P230 locked in his trunk in a gym bag at the time. They recovered the car a couple days later, mildly stripped and the gun was missing of course. He reported it to the police like you're supposed to, they gave him a little grief about it but took the report anyway.
About 7-8 years goes by and he gets a knock on his door asking about a gun that was registered to him which was recovered at the scene of a crime. Naturally, they had no record of it being reported stolen...because cops don't seem to share information with each other.
Anyway, he digs out the paperwork and shows them the police report and 30 days later he gets his gun back. He took it to a gun dealer and sold it...didn't want the hassle of even owning that gun again after years in the hands of criminals.
Do you think the parents of this kid wish they had locked up their guns? I'd bet you a million dollars they had (assuming he used their guns of course).
Yeah, gun safes are overrated.
Of course it is cultural determinates...but I can't control other people, or their children. I can only control myself and to a certain extent, my wife and son, I can also keep my guns stored safely and that gives me peace of mind as a gun owner.
While Jules is railing against kids with access to guns I'll bring up a few very important points:
1) An unloaded gun is a useless gun
2) Teach the kids gun safety and respect at a young age and you won't have problems
3) Lock up any guns not used for defense in a safe that cannot be compromised or turned over easily (not in the damn garage). Loaded of course, an unloaded weapon is a useless weapon.
I knew exactly where my fathers service weapon was. A .38 snub nose. As a kid, maybe 10 years old we "played" with it meaning I just showed it to my friends. Observed all safety rules, knew exactly what it was capable of and how to operate it. I have Boy Scouts to thank for that as by age 8 I knew how to properly handle firearms. That and shooting watching my uncle shoot and how he handled the weapon. Opened the cylinder, showed me it was empty, handed me the weapon and told me how to load it and let me fire.
The best course of action for kids is to learn how to use firearms and observe the 4 rules.
Jules, you suffer from california thinking. It has clouded your common sense.
I actually was referring entirely to your first paragraph, about the laws/rules regarding kids and firearms. I have nothing against gun safes for weapons that aren't in use. They also don't make a significant difference in anything...shown by previous generations relatively low gun crime/incidents along with near non-existent use of gun safes.
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As for California thinking, maybe you're right. Then again, I'm commenting on something that happened in Wisconsin...not California. From all the news reports I've read it seems like the kid was pretty normal so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask questions like, how did he gain access to two handguns and the ammo he used? I'd be shocked if the parents of his classmates weren't asking the same questions.
Jules is a judgmental asshole thread?
Well, you didn't quote my first paragraph...you quoted completely different comments I made. I actually had to read what you quoted 3 times to make sure I understood what I thought you were talking about. Might want to work on your posting skills skippy.
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Originally Posted by JulesMaximus
If a 15 year old gets ahold of it? Fuck yes I'm saying that! There's a reason we don't allow children to legally buy and own firearms in this country. There's a reason why children aren't allowed to bring guns to school. Leaving your guns lying around the house for anyone to pick up is irresponsible.
Good luck stealing my gun safe. It weighs 300lbs empty and it is bolted to the concrete slab in my garage.
Actually there's no GOOD reason for those things. It's entirely fear mongering without basis. When those things were legal and common there were no problems. It's the other cultural determinates, not the weapons, which are the issue.
Actually there's no GOOD reason for those things. It's entirely fear mongering without basis. When those things were legal and common there were no problems. It's the other cultural determinates, not the weapons, which are the issue.