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lopri

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Did you uncheck the hidden auto-brightness option in the iOS settings?

Settings > General > Accessibility > Display Accoommodations > Auto-Brightness

Even then it seems like my S9+ can barely match cannot match the brightness of the X (True Tone off). On the S9+ I use "Basic" mode since that provides the most comparable colors with the iPhone's.

Just did a little button wiggling and massaging. Mine seems pretty close to the S8+, but does seem a tad looser and does make more sound as they wiggle (under normal pushes they don’t make any noise other than the normal click). Not nearly as tight as the buttons on my iPhone X. Can’t say its something I’d notice though or consider a problem for me. Perhaps mine aren’t as loose feeling as yours though.


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That is what I suspected. All 3 buttons are loose on my S9+ (comparatively speaking) and I was not inclined to believe it is an isolated case.
 
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Ravynmagi

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Did you uncheck the hidden auto-brightness option in the iOS settings?

Settings > General > Accessibility > Display Accoommodations > Auto-Brightness

Even then it seems like my S9+ can barely match cannot match the brightness of the X (True Tone off). On the S9+ I use the "Basic" mode since that provides the most comparable colors with the iPhone's.



That is what I suspected. All 3 buttons are loose on my S9+ (comparatively speaking) and I was not inclined to believe it is an isolated case.
No, that setting was still on for the iPhone X. After turning it off you are right, iPhone X is definitely brighter.

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dawheat

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The S9+ in the middle.. Manual max brightness for all. (S8, S9+, X)

Any reason you'd actually not use auto brightness? I've never found a reason in the last couple years to not use it. However even when set to max manual, my S9+ screen (also set to basic) doesn't have the same tone as yours - it's definitely closer to the other phones in your pic.

Between the buttons and screen color - you seem to have gotten quite a crappy sample.
 

Ravynmagi

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Initially it seemed Intelligent Scan was working great. But I found a few hours later it stopped working completely. Could not detect a face or iris regardless of repeated attempts. I removed my face/iris profile and set it up again. Again initially it worked perfectly. But later on it again stopped working completely. Haven't researched this yet. Just using the finger print scanner for now. Will look into it more later.
 

lopri

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Any reason you'd actually not use auto brightness? I've never found a reason in the last couple years to not use it. However even when set to max manual, my S9+ screen (also set to basic) doesn't have the same tone as yours - it's definitely closer to the other phones in your pic.

Between the buttons and screen color - you seem to have gotten quite a crappy sample.

There is no point of testing auto-brightness indoors, even if that is what I choose to use eventually, because that comparision leads nowhere. Phones these days try to detect the ambient light and learn the user's preference, so an objective comparision is not possible in that scenario. Also that would put the S9+ in a disadvantage because the S9+ has yet to learn my preferred brightness.

To properly test auto-max brightness I will need a searing light bulb, or will have to take the phones outdoors in a sunny day. I have had this phone for two days, and for now I am fine testing it against other phones on my desk. I will eventually learn how the S9+ behaves in high ambient lighting, but what I can say with confidence is that my S9+ is not as bright as my S8 or X when I try to change the brightness slider manually indoors.

The "tone" of the S9+'s display is fine. Cameras often fail to capture correct white balance, and from what I can see all phones have acceptable whites.

P.S. WRT buttons, I plan to stop at a store to see if it is just my phone. But if it is an accidental defect, I would have expected it to happen to only one of the buttons, not all three.

Samsung phones have limited brightness if not in auto-brightness mode for many generations already.
But in this case the S9+'s display is not even as bright as the S8's. I did a quick search to learn that I am not the only one who observe this.

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s9_plus-review-1736p3.php
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S9_ShootOut_1s.htm (S9)
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S8_ShootOut_01.htm (S8)

GSM Arena measured 376 nits for the S9+ and 442 nits for the S8+. Displaymate measured 364 nits for the S9 and 405 nits for the S8. Both publications note that the max brightness is substantially higher under high ambient light (auto-brightness), but even there the two phones are merely equal. So I am left wondering where Samsung's claim of "15% brighter display" came from.

All this does not mean that I think the S9+'s display is no better than the S8's, because it is better. Reflection seems lower, contrast is even higher (I did not think that was possible), colors are more accurate, and the screen uniformity is superior as well. And if the loss of brightness is due to more accurate calibration (which is why often OEMs neglect calibration in favor of higher brightness), then I will take that as well.

But at the same time I do see where Samsung is trying to cut cornors. The whites/colors on the S9+'s screen do not look as "filled" as the whites/colors on the S8's, not to mention the X's. While I need a microscope to confirm this, but I strongly suspect that the panel used on the S9+ is not the same quality panel as the one used on the X (which is made by Samsung!). It is disappointing because I would have thought Samsung would equip their flagship devices with the best of the best. (Also, Apple's color calibration is STILL better than Samsung's, but that is another story)
 

ChronoReverse

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From the links you posted for DisplayMate:
When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S9 has a High Brightness Mode that produces up to a very impressive 1,130 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light
When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S8 produces up to a very impressive 1,020 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light
For small portions of the screen area the iPhone X can produce up to 809 nits (Low Average Picture Levels)


Maybe there's variance in the panels, but objectively, the measured panels at DisplayMate show the GS9 is better across the board. Color Calibration included.
 

lopri

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Those 1,000+ nit numbers are achieved by shutting 99% of pixels off. It is a purely academic exercise that has no bearings in real life. 1130 nits and 1020 nits make no difference when you are "watching" two pixels worth of light on a black screen. (if that is actually a thing people do)

In the past when comparing AMOLED and LCD screens, max brightness at 50% APL was more or less a fare data point. Now that flagships are all using AMOLED, we can use either 100% APL or 50% APL, both of which should give a meaningful indication of real life performance of a display. 1% APL under a searing sunlight does not.
 

ChronoReverse

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If you read through the articles from DisplayMate, their tests are from 1% through 100% APL which covers the gamut from barely any lit pixels to all white pixels.
GS8 575 vs GS9 690 vs IPX 634
 
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Initially it seemed Intelligent Scan was working great. But I found a few hours later it stopped working completely. Could not detect a face or iris regardless of repeated attempts. I removed my face/iris profile and set it up again. Again initially it worked perfectly. But later on it again stopped working completely. Haven't researched this yet. Just using the finger print scanner for now. Will look into it more later.
Intelligent is going to be patched in an update, I think. Just use Iris on its own.
 

lopri

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If you read through the articles from DisplayMate, their tests are from 1% through 100% APL which covers the gamut from barely any lit pixels to all white pixels.
GS8 575 vs GS9 690 vs IPX 634
I see that. So under high ambient lighting the S9 can get brighter than S8 according to Displaymate. I did explain that my testing was done using manual brightness. In time I will be able to verify the brightness outdoors.

After further inspection I am in a bit more forgiving mood for the phone's lower brightness because it appears to be the cost of more accurate calibration.

S9


S8


If we look at Adaptive Mode which uses the panels' native capability, at 100% APL the difference between S9 and S8 is small. (395 nits for S9, 420 nits for S8) But on Basic mode which is calibrated to sRGB, the gap widens and S9 is 364 nits and S8 is 405 nits. I noticed that on the S9+ the brightness is noticeably higher when the display is set to Adaptive mode, so Displaymate's finding agrees with my observation.

Thus my tentative view is that the S8 and S9 use the same panel, and Samsung sacrificed a bit of brightness on the S9 for more accurate calibration. That is a commendable decision and I applaud them for it. But why can't Samsung use the same quality panel they provided Apple with on its own flagships?
 
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lopri

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Battery life is on par with the S8's. It is decent, but I expected a bit more. Many on XDA are getting horrible battery life, though. (Exynos..)
 

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Any reason you'd actually not use auto brightness? I've never found a reason in the last couple years to not use it. However even when set to max manual, my S9+ screen (also set to basic) doesn't have the same tone as yours - it's definitely closer to the other phones in your pic.

Between the buttons and screen color - you seem to have gotten quite a crappy sample.

On my S8+ if I am in a low light room and unlock my phone it lowers the brightness. If I lock and reopen it, in literally 2 seconds, it auto sets it self to super bright, then lowers it again. Its very annoying. If I know I am going to be in a low light area for awhile, I will turn off auto dim and just lower it.
 

Ravynmagi

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On my S8+ if I am in a low light room and unlock my phone it lowers the brightness. If I lock and reopen it, in literally 2 seconds, it auto sets it self to super bright, then lowers it again. Its very annoying. If I know I am going to be in a low light area for awhile, I will turn off auto dim and just lower it.
S9+ still does that too.

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Finally got my att s9+ unlocked and loaded the U firmware. Tmobile wifi calling works on the U firmware so I happy about that.
This phone is heavy! it's even heavier than a note 4 it seems. Definitely not happy about that.
Fingerprint scanner is in a slightly better place than the s8+. Using a s7 after I sold the s8+ made me miss having the scanner on the front.
My wife loves the new messaging app as they seem to have added a ton of features to it.
I like the new intelligent unlock, it has a very good success rate for me though I think I will be using the fingerprint unlock most of the time.
 

lopri

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Benchmark numbers are horrendous. They are not much better than SD835 and sometimes worse. Only things the S9+ is somewhat consistently faster than the S8 at are browser-based tests, which are, well, browser tests. Seeing that the phone does not get warm, my guess is that Samsung is limiting the chip's power consumption to prevent battery from going haywire. Within that power envelope I see no meaningful performance difference between SD835 and SD845. It seems like both Cortex A75 (SD845) and Mongoose M3 (Exynos 9810) are a hot mess, and these SOCs are being saved by the new LITTLE cores (A55), which help to maintain an appearance of competence.
 

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I'm a bit surprised by that for the SD845 since Anandtech's initial tests show that its power draw is not far from SD835 despite the higher performance. We'll see what happens when the other manufacturers who generally get better battery life out of the same SoC's get their SD845 phones out.

For the Exynos, it was pretty much a given considering the astounding power draw when full loading even a single core. The iPhone actually does this too but it's harder to "prove" because obviously Apple won't let you do the same tests as they can on Android. But it's clear from the recent battery/throttling issue that the instantaneous power draw of iPhones can get very high. Excellent single threaded performance has a cost in any case.
 
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Benchmark numbers are horrendous. They are not much better than SD835 and sometimes worse. Only things the S9+ is somewhat consistently faster than the S8 at are browser-based tests, which are, well, browser tests. Seeing that the phone does not get warm, my guess is that Samsung is limiting the chip's power consumption to prevent battery from going haywire. Within that power envelope I see no meaningful performance difference between SD835 and SD845. It seems like both Cortex A75 (SD845) and Mongoose M3 (Exynos 9810) are a hot mess, and these SOCs are being saved by the new LITTLE cores (A55), which help to maintain an appearance of competence.

I tried a Exynos S9 demo unit over at a store and I noticed it was visibly laggier than my S8+.
 

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Ive been playing around with the super slow-mo this morning. NYC is getting slammed with snow and it looks pretty damn cool in super slow-mo.
 

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I have to say that I'm really pleased with mine. I'm not sure what unlock its using but its fast and it keeps the kids out of my phone which is good enough for me! Sound quality seems pretty good but the atmos setting is a bit horrible for anything other than video.
Camera seems great but i need to play around with it a bit more.

All in all it's the best upgrade from my S7 edge I could have made.
 

lopri

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It is hilarious that Samsung's S9/S9+ page is a laggy mess on their phones, yet scrolls smooth on the iPhones. I wonder how Exynos 9810 handles that page?

https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s9/

P.S. I took the S8 and the S9+ outdoor and indeed their brightness is very close under sunlight, maybe the S9+'s brightness a hair higher. (It might have been helped by the higher contrast) So while it sucks that indoors I need to set the brightness slider set at a higher level than before, outdoor legibility is superior on the S9+.
 

lopri

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I'm a bit surprised by that for the SD845 since Anandtech's initial tests show that its power draw is not far from SD835 despite the higher performance. We'll see what happens when the other manufacturers who generally get better battery life out of the same SoC's get their SD845 phones out.

For the Exynos, it was pretty much a given considering the astounding power draw when full loading even a single core. The iPhone actually does this too but it's harder to "prove" because obviously Apple won't let you do the same tests as they can on Android. But it's clear from the recent battery/throttling issue that the instantaneous power draw of iPhones can get very high. Excellent single threaded performance has a cost in any case.
Yah my impression is that the phone has a hard power limit and does not give any room for the SOC to stretch its muscles even under a good thermal condition.
 

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It is hilarious that Samsung's S9/S9+ page is a laggy mess on their phones, yet scrolls smooth on the iPhones. I wonder how Exynos 9810 handles that page?

https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s9/

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Thats a fricking horrible web page!

Scrolls fine if i grab the scroll bar, it scrolls a bit odd if I just drag the page. Not really laggy but it's like the momentum of the scroll is off. Does that make sense?
 

lopri

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I think you mean touch response is OK but the frame rate is terrible. (or is it the other way around?) But touch response is also bad at multiple points. Whatever that is, it is an embarassing performance by Samsung PR. If it is a consolation for them, the page struggles on the iPad Pro, too. Hah.
 
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