Trump is historically not a right wing Republican. In fact he's shown some tendencies towards the left but has been more absorbed by his interests than any of the party. GWB wouldn't support him for crying out loud. He has been marginalized by the party proper and he's going to not be a "toe the line" kind of guy.
So Congress has two choices. Either give everything to Trump or work together to some degree for stability if nothing else. The former isn't happening even if the latter is not publically called for by the pols.
This isn't a matter of flowers and give everyone a coke. It's a matter of keeping the car on the road.
Change happens due to adversity and this qualifies. Now maybe absolute calamity will happen as seemingly hoped for so people can say "I told you so" and you will be right. Then, maybe not.
I know which I'd rather see. YMMV.
Would you like to try that argument with me?
I think the polling was an attempt to supress voting for Trump making people think he had no chance. But what happened was it spurred on those that supported him and at the same time caused voters that supported Clinton to not vote thinking that she had the election in the bag.Na... I think their polling was just focked up. They focused on the swing states according to their polls. The truly horrific polling indicated that there was no need to visit Wisconsin, it was a mortal lock. Worst polling eva.....
You can claim Hillary was a horrible candidate all you want but if you thought trump was worse then the blame for getting him elected is on those that voted for a third party or didn't bother voting is on them. Its not like trump ran away with this election either, so their vote mattered. The onus is on the voters, period.
Own it.
1- Hillary cheated in the primaries and got caught.
2- A large voting population was adversely affected by NAFTA. Are they going to vote for the guy who is trying to repeal it, or for the WIFE of the guy who enacted it?
3- No-fly zone in Syria is an awful policy plan.
4- Trump's campaign contributions are not dominated by big banks and media companies.
Na... I think their polling was just focked up. They focused on the swing states according to their polls. The truly horrific polling indicated that there was no need to visit Wisconsin, it was a mortal lock. Worst polling eva.....
The only sides here are people who comprehend something of history and those who don't think much of book learning. Doesn't seem like someone arguing "both sides are the same" here fits the former very well. Complaining about uppity darkies is a time honored tradition in this country, only covered up as of late with a fig leaf by the liberal media and educators for the sake of future generations.
It is what it is, history doesn't tell us a whole lot to be proud of.
Ridiculous. I own nothing because I voted for Hillary in the strongest Hillary state. My vote probably counted less than yours, but I still cast it.
Trump went after the people that he said would vote for him, and he was right. Everyone dismissed him for this strategy, but it worked. There has been a real ignorance among the democrats and other gentried elites that certain sectors of demographics will be forever theirs if they just play them lip service. Well, that didn't happen this time and the aggravating thing is that this isn't the first time such districts flipped parties to vote for the "Great Promiser of things." Hillary completely abandoned Wisconsin after the primaries. She had it in the bag.
How the fuck can that be on anyone else but her and her team?
Who did you vote for, in what state, and why?
That's a sick and twisted version of the actual message. The actual message is that "the game should not be rigged in favor of whites and/or males" any longer. Many Americans aren't capable of understanding the difference.And so if one did not support Hillary they have the "Uppity darkie" mentality? You disallow any other perspective or concern on the part of people.
People vote for many reasons and all are individuals with their lives and personal history. We've gotten into the "whites are ignorant and need to be punished" or "all that is a minority is a threat".
That's the way to destruction. As far as real poverty and squalor, what do you personally know of it? What suffering have you seen? I'm interested to know if you are operating from the theoretical or have first hand experience of poverty and the misery of others.
As someone who doesn't give 2 shits about politics, I watched the debates for pure entertainment values, and I cannot understand how someone could vote for someone who acted the way he did during the presidential debates.
Trump is a divider, not a uniter. I WANT to be wrong about this, desperately. But I'm not likely to be wrong. One need only project what we know about Trump - and he's quite an open book - into his future presidency. All he has to do is continue to be who he is, and unfortunately I will likely be vindicated.
Actually here in Milwaukee, Hillary did not get the black vote like Obama did. The black turnout was anemic and the local news commented on it. In many of the black wards you could just walk up and vote with no waiting line at all. That was not the case four years ago. Hillary did absolutely nothing to court Wisconsin voters and especially inner city black.
Of course this is the first presidential election with the new voter id law so perhaps that was the suppressing factor. If so, it shows that the Republicans knew what they were doing when they passed it.
FWIW, just about all of my children's friends are black and I know they were no Hillary fans.
I hate this argument. I may be annoyed at a percentage (far greater than imagined) of Bernie supporters that refused to vote or went Trump, but only Hillary can own that and, more importantly--Trump gets tremendous credit for grabbing them.
That is on Hillary and no one else. She and the dems alone lost the most dependable voting block for the democratic party over the last ~century plus. She lost Obama's supporters, hard. There really is no other explanation. Dems have to own that and regroup or face the same political irrelevance that many assumed was coming to the republicans after this election.
The only positive that I can hope for out of Trump is that he acts as the bi-partisan enema that this country truly needs. If he can somehow be a moderate (and not let Pence do, well, anyfuckingthing) and make enough reforms to WS and political entitlements, hell--something that actually helps these people for the first time ever, it would be a welcome change. I honestly hope he can do that and I think you should hope for that as well.
What does "untowards" mean? Are your referring to when a black offender murders a white person? Please be more clear.
Ridiculous. I own nothing because I voted for Hillary in the strongest Hillary state. My vote probably counted less than yours, but I still cast it.
Trump went after the people that he said would vote for him, and he was right. Everyone dismissed him for this strategy, but it worked. There has been a real ignorance among the democrats and other gentried elites that certain sectors of demographics will be forever theirs if they just play them lip service. Well, that didn't happen this time and the aggravating thing is that this isn't the first time such districts flipped parties to vote for the "Great Promiser of things." Hillary completely abandoned Wisconsin after the primaries. She had it in the bag.
How the fuck can that be on anyone else but her and her team?
Trump is historically not a right wing Republican. In fact he's shown some tendencies towards the left but has been more absorbed by his interests than any of the party. GWB wouldn't support him for crying out loud. He has been marginalized by the party proper and he's going to not be a "toe the line" kind of guy.
So Congress has two choices. Either give everything to Trump or work together to some degree for stability if nothing else. The former isn't happening even if the latter is not publically called for by the pols.
This isn't a matter of flowers and give everyone a coke. It's a matter of keeping the car on the road.
Change happens due to adversity and this qualifies. Now maybe absolute calamity will happen as seemingly hoped for so people can say "I told you so" and you will be right. Then, maybe not.
I know which I'd rather see. YMMV.
And so if one did not support Hillary they have the "Uppity darkie" mentality? You disallow any other perspective or concern on the part of people.
People vote for many reasons and all are individuals with their lives and personal history. We've gotten into the "whites are ignorant and need to be punished" or "all that is a minority is a threat".
That's the way to destruction. As far as real poverty and squalor, what do you personally know of it? What suffering have you seen? I'm interested to know if you are operating from the theoretical or have first hand experience of poverty and the misery of others.
That's a sick and twisted version of the actual message. The actual message is that "the game should not be rigged in favor of whites and/or males" any longer. Many Americans aren't capable of understanding the difference.
The answer to that is going to be multi-faceted. It can't be distilled down to one reason, there may be a majority held issue, but certainly not only one issue. I think it's clear there were a lot of people sick of the state of American politics. The lobbyists, .01% and their undue influence. Much of my family lives in the US and while when I cross the border I never notice much difference socially, the few differences there are, are quite stark and the politics are one of them.
- The politics are extremely partisan and the viability of the extreme right as a relevant political force is more real than any other first world nation I can think of. For context, the democrat party is more right than the our Conservative party here.
- The enshrinement of the ability to arm yourself.
- The religious right.
Those are pretty strong emotional hooks that I see Republicans pander to to garner votes. Trump played into all of those, but I don't think he actually gives a shit about any of the issues those things generally encapsulate, except perhaps being anti-immigration and anti Muslim.
I think the main driving force was the appeal to ripping up the back scratching, big money fueled .01% percent corrupt government that has been running rampant in the US. The irony is that a member of that very same .01% is who was elected to that end... so there is that. If that was the goal of the electorate I also think only Trump could have won to that end. I don't think America is ready to elect someone like Sanders and may never be. Even though the country has all sorts of huge socialist programs that drive it, the 'socialism' boogeyman has been demonized to the point Sanders would have never won. Just look at Obama's attempt to provide universal health care, it was a good attempt but he couldn't manage a real single payer universal health care system. Instead it's the pseudo hybrid mess he managed. You'd need to completely eliminate the corporate health insurance companies and move everyone on to single payer universal to manage what most European countries. Canada and some South American nations have. Sanders' notions of things like free university and the like would have had him decimated by his opponent.
I would be most concerned now with how many of the crazy things Trump pushed on his path to election were serious intentions. I'd be hoping it was mostly all bullshit and he was just pandering to the generic Republican audience to get their votes. How significant a portion of his support base is it that believes these things are really going to take place ?
- Building a physical wall on the border with Mexico and somehow getting them to pay the 10+ billion it will cost.
- Tracking Muslim members of the population.
- Killing the families of terrorists and torturing people.
- Destroying a nebulous terrorist organization that has no real 'home base'
- Instituting draconian trade tariffs with China, the country that produces near everything, and making the cost of everything go up significantly for Americans.
- Throwing Clinton in jail.
- Abolishing abortion and 'punishing' women who have one.
I don't remember everything, there is probably a lot more crazy I think it's safe to say none of that shit is going to happen. He might play around with some of it, but not of it will come to fruition. The one I'd be really worried about are any attempts he makes with anti-terrorism in so much as it amounting to expeditions into other countries.
With an electorate that split near 50/50 in who they wanted to win. How much of the 50% that supported him was enthralled by the crazy campaign points that won't come to pass and how will that effect their approval of him when he is expected to be the non politician. ie. Not lying (LOL), corrupt etc and keeping promises. He won't be able to do anything on that list unless his plan is to suspend citizen's rights and go full crazy, which while something to worry about, is not very likely.
I voted for Bernie in the primary in NY. I voted for my dog in the general because she displays more positive human qualities than either candidate. I couldn't stomach pulling the lever so to speak for a lesser individual even if she isn't genetically a person. Besides my state was a Clinton state and that was set in stone.
If you're in the credit granting mood to trump, he should deserve quite some for going much harder on the race angle than his predecessors or even contemporaries. Recall that he was birthing and whatnot while they were losing.
Imagine whatever cases Trump extrapolates his rapists/murders type claims from, I imagine that family you describe lap that shit up.