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piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Super delegates in the Democratic party gave Hillary the nomination. Otherwise she might have lost the nomination. I cant think of anything good that Hillary Clinton stands for? It does not work to just be against your opponent, you need a coherent message of what you are going to do. Voters just were not willing to accept this government with no justice and no responsibility. After Obama was in office for 8 years it just makes me laugh when they ask Trump how he is going to pay for something. The Feds have been printing money and diluting the value of the dollar since Obama took office. What a joke.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Super delegates in the Democratic party gave Hillary the nomination. Otherwise she might have lost the nomination. I cant think of anything good that Hillary Clinton stands for? It does not work to just be against your opponent, you need a coherent message of what you are going to do. Voters just were not willing to accept this government with no justice and no responsibility. After Obama was in office for 8 years it just makes me laugh when they ask Trump how he is going to pay for something. The Feds have been printing money and diluting the value of the dollar since Obama took office. What a joke.

You are remarkably stupid!

Clinton won not only with super delegates but also with regular delegates and she won both because she won more votes than Bernie by a wide margin. This all happened this year so I'm confused as to how you don't know this.

The purse is controlled by Congress which has been controlled by Republicans since 2011, so any budgetary issues you have with Congress not paying for things lies directly with them and the party that now has control over all three branches of government.

The feds have been doing whatever it takes to keep the recovery going and the dollar has been strong for a while now.

The only joke I see here is an idiot who thinks he has any clue about what's going on.
 

Exophase

Diamond Member
Apr 19, 2012
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Personally, I decided at some point that I was tired of listening to everything people were saying about the election and cut myself off from it (like on this forum). I wanted to focus more on what the candidates themselves were saying. Then the first debate happened and it became clear to me that I should vote for Hillary Clinton and not Jill Stein like I was previously strongly leaning towards. And the more time that passed without listening to all the invective the better I felt about voting for her. Then election night hit and I felt sick to my stomach.

I have to wonder, if I focused more on listening to the people surrounding the candidates (mostly Hillary) and less to the candidates themselves if I would have still voted for Stein (who was still my preferred candidate and someone I wish I could have voted for, but the system simply doesn't enable it). I wonder how much and in what ways the discourse surrounding the candidates in the media, social media, forums and so on affected the outcome of the election.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Personally, I decided at some point that I was tired of listening to everything people were saying about the election and cut myself off from it (like on this forum). I wanted to focus more on what the candidates themselves were saying. Then the first debate happened and it became clear to me that I should vote for Hillary Clinton and not Jill Stein like I was previously strongly leaning towards. And the more time that passed without listening to all the invective the better I felt about voting for her. Then election night hit and I felt sick to my stomach.

I have to wonder, if I focused more on listening to the people surrounding the candidates (mostly Hillary) and less to the candidates themselves if I would have still voted for Stein (who was still my preferred candidate and someone I wish I could have voted for, but the system simply doesn't enable it). I wonder how much and in what ways the discourse surrounding the candidates in the media, social media, forums and so on affected the outcome of the election.
After hundreds of years of lies by politicians, you are really claiming to believe anything they say?

They are here to serve the real men in power and to preserve their own role. That is all. It is a huge lie that politicians are elected to serve the public. But if you repeat the same lie over and over again it becomes the truth.
 

TeeJay1952

Golden Member
May 28, 2004
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Trolls, Real trolls, Russian Trolls, Alt Right Trolls and rabidity on both sides made discourse almost impossible.
I never thought that I would be praying for Mitt Romney to save the Republic.
I never thought Sieg Heil could be bandied about in my lifetime.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Trolls, Real trolls, Russian Trolls, Alt Right Trolls and rabidity on both sides made discourse almost impossible.
I never thought that I would be praying for Mitt Romney to save the Republic.
I never thought Sieg Heil could be bandied about in my lifetime.
So some other rich elite is going to save the Republic?

Are we waiting on some sort of savior or something? Some magical being coming down to save us from something or another?
 
Jul 9, 2009
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There's probably 40 million different reasons that Hillary lost. The one that motivated me is that I was tired of elite liberal jerks acting so damn sanctimonious that it turned my stomach. As if these priggish little Democrats had a fucking clue about who or what middle America and Americans are all about. Rich little hypocrites that supported the biggest crook and corporate sleaze that ever ran for President and lied and lied and lied about her and for her. I'm glad she lost, i'm glad all the leftist hypocrites are crying about it and i'm glad the era of mainstream media is over. Keep on lying though, keep on acting superior and condescending to your inferiors because nothing does more damage to the Democratic party and liberal causes then you little pompous worms.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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There's probably 40 million different reasons that Hillary lost. The one that motivated me is that I was tired of elite liberal jerks acting so damn sanctimonious that it turned my stomach. As if these priggish little Democrats had a fucking clue about who or what middle America and Americans are all about. Rich little hypocrites that supported the biggest crook and corporate sleaze that ever ran for President and lied and lied and lied about her and for her. I'm glad she lost, i'm glad all the leftist hypocrites are crying about it and i'm glad the era of mainstream media is over. Keep on lying though, keep on acting superior and condescending to your inferiors because nothing does more damage to the Democratic party and liberal causes then you little pompous worms.

Lol bubble dwellers! Hey at least you've found your safe space right?!
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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The radical right is excited over their choice for president who is already showing signs of conflict of interest with his multitude of business dealings that will take precedence over the needs of the nation as he's always promoted his own self interests over those of others his entire life. Of course they don't want any education reform to make college more accessible to the masses to keep their uneducated voter base in check. Trump is so full of ***** when he smugly professes that he will represent all Americans and then runs around self promoting his business when he said that he would leave that to his children while he looked after the country. Congratulations radical right, your ship (of fools) has made it to port.
 
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TeeJay1952

Golden Member
May 28, 2004
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So some other rich elite is going to save the Republic?

Are we waiting on some sort of savior or something? Some magical being coming down to save us from something or another?

I thought Romney didn't qualify because his business acumen was based on disassembling corporations into component parts for his enrichment.
Now Trump comes along with his overpromise, pay me first, no haggle contracts then he declare bankruptcy, pays pennies on the dollar and proceeds to use the bankruptcy to shield himself from taxes scheme. Also Disqualifying. (IMHO)

We are mad! I get it. But ya'll need plans and not platitudes. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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So some other rich elite is going to save the Republic?

Are we waiting on some sort of savior or something? Some magical being coming down to save us from something or another?

As long as this supposed superhero wears magical underpants I think everything will be altright.
 

buckshot24

Diamond Member
Nov 3, 2009
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You are remarkably stupid!

Clinton won not only with super delegates but also with regular delegates and she won both because she won more votes than Bernie by a wide margin. This all happened this year so I'm confused as to how you don't know this.

The purse is controlled by Congress which has been controlled by Republicans since 2011, so any budgetary issues you have with Congress not paying for things lies directly with them and the party that now has control over all three branches of government.

The feds have been doing whatever it takes to keep the recovery going and the dollar has been strong for a while now.

The only joke I see here is an idiot who thinks he has any clue about what's going on.
I don't think the insult was needed but I think you're ignoring how the super delegates might have influenced actual voters into voting for Hillary. I don't know if it would have made a difference or not, just throwing it out there.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I don't think the insult was needed but I think you're ignoring how the super delegates might have influenced actual voters into voting for Hillary. I don't know if it would have made a difference or not, just throwing it out there.

Yeah, like most things you post, you are just throwing it out there with zero evidence to back up your claim, other than your gut feeling.
 

buckshot24

Diamond Member
Nov 3, 2009
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Yeah, like most things you post, you are just throwing it out there with zero evidence to back up your claim, other than your gut feeling.
I think you're having a tough day, no way a rested sane person could interpret what I said as a claim needing evidence to back it up.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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Yeah, like most things you post, you are just throwing it out there with zero evidence to back up your claim, other than your gut feeling.

He never cared whether it's true or not. And in some way it's the liberal mental defect so to speak to assume "evidence" was ever part of what these people do. They just say whatever gets what they want.
 
Feb 16, 2005
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There's probably 40 million different reasons that Hillary lost. The one that motivated me is that I was tired of elite liberal jerks acting so damn sanctimonious that it turned my stomach. As if these priggish little Democrats had a fucking clue about who or what middle America and Americans are all about. Rich little hypocrites that supported the biggest crook and corporate sleaze that ever ran for President and lied and lied and lied about her and for her. I'm glad she lost, i'm glad all the leftist hypocrites are crying about it and i'm glad the era of mainstream media is over. Keep on lying though, keep on acting superior and condescending to your inferiors because nothing does more damage to the Democratic party and liberal causes then you little pompous worms.

LOL... good luck with drumpf, high lord of the hypocrites.
 
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LOL... good luck with drumpf, high lord of the hypocrites.
The only "Lords" we have around here are the self appointed liberal elites that are upset that their peons voted for someone they don't like and didn't approve of with an agenda that doesn't include kissing progressive ass.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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self appointed liberal elites
Because I advocate the use of ones mind in conjunction with critical thinking skills I'm a liberal? Jesus, God in the flesh, would be hanging out with me on the left of center if he were here right now standing in the way of big religion just like he did back in the day. Big religion's behavior is exactly what was scriptures predicted it would be at the end as they call good evil and evil good thus meeting the criteria of the great falling away as they've left their first love in pursuit of power and money.
 

jeff_in_MD

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Oct 7, 2016
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There's probably 40 million different reasons that Hillary lost. The one that motivated me is that I was tired of elite liberal jerks acting so damn sanctimonious that it turned my stomach. As if these priggish little Democrats had a fucking clue about who or what middle America and Americans are all about. Rich little hypocrites that supported the biggest crook and corporate sleaze that ever ran for President and lied and lied and lied about her and for her. I'm glad she lost, i'm glad all the leftist hypocrites are crying about it and i'm glad the era of mainstream media is over. Keep on lying though, keep on acting superior and condescending to your inferiors because nothing does more damage to the Democratic party and liberal causes then you little pompous worms.
I say the same thing about Republicans. A perfect example.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/mike_yenni_sexting_scandal_wha_1.html
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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There's probably 40 million different reasons that Hillary lost. The one that motivated me is that I was tired of elite liberal jerks acting so damn sanctimonious that it turned my stomach. As if these priggish little Democrats had a fucking clue about who or what middle America and Americans are all about. Rich little hypocrites that supported the biggest crook and corporate sleaze that ever ran for President and lied and lied and lied about her and for her. I'm glad she lost, i'm glad all the leftist hypocrites are crying about it and i'm glad the era of mainstream media is over. Keep on lying though, keep on acting superior and condescending to your inferiors because nothing does more damage to the Democratic party and liberal causes then you little pompous worms.

Read my screed on Sonniku's thread on whether "conservatives were suckered."

The Dubya Bush era seems like yesterday to me. Like the Commie journalist recommended in "The Quiet American," that's when I "chose sides" -- at age 53. I had given $250/annum to the RNC as late as 1984. As for the fictional character, the quote was "If you are human, you should choose sides." It had nothing to do with ideology in Greene's book and the 2001 movie.

I recognized what Eisenhower had said incompletely in 1961. The two major pillars of concentrated industry were Big Oil (strategic minerals) and Defense/Aerospace. Two-percenters move their money back and forth between those industries -- tying again to Wall Street, Big Pharma and other industries.

I chose as basis of my conviction that I didn't want decision-makers from those industries sitting in the white house. I literally predicted the unfolding events from that point (2000) forward -- the terrorist attack, the housing bubble and stock market collapse, the war in Iraq -- all of it. Whether you believe it or not, I have to believe myself.

Politics can be dirty business, and I don't care about that aspect. I'm a Democrat -- once a Repub -- for those reasons I cite, and many others. You could call me a "Colin Powell Republican," or an "Obama Democrat." I see the hypocrisy; that's just a backdrop.

But I make my choices -- not on the basis of feeling "victimized," not on the basis of my perceived "self-interest" alone as one might guess displayed by the rust-belt voters. I make my choices based on both self-interest and a sense of the public interest.

Playing "thumbs-up, thumbs-down" like a Roman Citizen sitting in the Coliseum is something I see others doing. It's either that, or simply demonstrating their rage, playing into the same forces of power-elites and industrial concentration.

What's more important? Maintaining the federal tier in our system of government, paying for our mistakes in wars, keeping the air clean, funding education, transportation and other things? Or getting worked up about abortion, trivial lies about sniper fire, perceived inequities of NAFTA etc.?

What is more important? Because the gladiator you just gave thumbs up to cannot simply revive the economy, reduce taxes, spend a trillion on infrastructure, and double the defense budget all at once. That's a pipe dream, my friend. A pipe dream.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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Read my screed on Sonniku's thread on whether "conservatives were suckered."

The Dubya Bush era seems like yesterday to me. Like the Commie journalist recommended in "The Quiet American," that's when I "chose sides" -- at age 53. I had given $250/annum to the RNC as late as 1984. As for the fictional character, the quote was "If you are human, you should choose sides." It had nothing to do with ideology in Greene's book and the 2001 movie.

I recognized what Eisenhower had said incompletely in 1961. The two major pillars of concentrated industry were Big Oil (strategic minerals) and Defense/Aerospace. Two-percenters move their money back and forth between those industries -- tying again to Wall Street, Big Pharma and other industries.

I chose as basis of my conviction that I didn't want decision-makers from those industries sitting in the white house. I literally predicted the unfolding events from that point (2000) forward -- the terrorist attack, the housing bubble and stock market collapse, the war in Iraq -- all of it. Whether you believe it or not, I have to believe myself.

Politics can be dirty business, and I don't care about that aspect. I'm a Democrat -- once a Repub -- for those reasons I cite, and many others. You could call me a "Colin Powell Republican," or an "Obama Democrat." I see the hypocrisy; that's just a backdrop.

But I make my choices -- not on the basis of feeling "victimized," not on the basis of my perceived "self-interest" alone as one might guess displayed by the rust-belt voters. I make my choices based on both self-interest and a sense of the public interest.

Playing "thumbs-up, thumbs-down" like a Roman Citizen sitting in the Coliseum is something I see others doing. It's either that, or simply demonstrating their rage, playing into the same forces of power-elites and industrial concentration.

What's more important? Maintaining the federal tier in our system of government, paying for our mistakes in wars, keeping the air clean, funding education, transportation and other things? Or getting worked up about abortion, trivial lies about sniper fire, perceived inequities of NAFTA etc.?

What is more important? Because the gladiator you just gave thumbs up to cannot simply revive the economy, reduce taxes, spend a trillion on infrastructure, and double the defense budget all at once. That's a pipe dream, my friend. A pipe dream.

The military industry aka white welfare is just how politicians get those votes in america. What they do overseas these days with respect to killing percieved enemies is largely an excuse to keep that going. That's why you have democrats/"liberals" advocating for the same things, because they want/need those votes, too.

This is the underlying evolutionary mechanism at play, irrespective of the facade. People who don't get votes don't get elected.
 
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