So why did Hillary lose?

[Starbuck1975]

Yes but it negates any statement of trumps agenda being what people actually want as a whole, which more than a few from the right fail to realize.

Also probably why Trump is already changing his tune.

Trump has no mandate. You will see how quickly he pivots. I thought his speech in very simple language was surprisingly humble

 

[Red Storm]

The only thing going through my mind all of last night and this morning was, "Bernie Sanders could've been president!"

Hillary being president would have been terrible, as is Trump becoming president.

 

[vi edit]

Trump has no mandate. You will see how quickly he pivots. I thought his speech in very simple language was surprisingly humble

Yes, listening to the audio of that was actually somewhat comforting. The one reason I'm not totally at a loss on all of this is that he's bounced back and forth between D & R to be whatever is convenient. But at his heart I really think he's a bit more moderate than his ticket/platform was pandering. He had to lock down the evangelical votes (which Pence also helps) and promise them everything to get their buy in. If he pivots a bit left I don't think he's the worst thing that could happen. Him dying early and Pence taking over is much more terrifying to me.

 

[Blanky]

She lost because she was the proxy for the establishment, and most of the country thinks the country is going in the wrong direction.

The democrats need to really think about what they have done. No oval, no house, no senate. Why? Because they backed a fucking criminal. And they knew it. They knew she wasn't the person for the job but they thought their deceit and control of media would get them through.

Bernie was there. An honest guy who cared. But, no, they had to shut him down and cheat to do it. Now they are reaping what they have sown.

 

[twinrider1]

It's the anti-smugness vote for me. There is a difference about being right and informing people of facts and just being a flat-out smug mother f'er. The media being in the bag for Dems, smug as$wipes on this board, Obama, almost everywhere...the smug looks and speech about how people are morons if they don't agree with liberals. Liberals had it coming.

Now I can only hope the religtards don't get too much influence. And the Republican establishment wakes the f up and realizes this wasn't about their great policies or Never Trumpers.

This, so much this. Just because I didn't put a sign in my yard or join in with the foaming at the mouth idiots (on both sides) doesn't mean I haven't been watching. The dems had gotten too used to being in power and had made sport of dumping on Trump. From Hollywood, to the media, to the masses that thought it was funny to steal yard signs, all of them were so condescending.
I'm no big fan of Trump, but his transgressions pale in comparison to Hillary's.

 

[Kazukian]

Trump isn't a "republican" and is more of a 3rd party.

 

[z1ggy]

Pretty much what OP states. Bernie supporters screwed Hillary by either not voting, or voting for Trump, which is essentially the same thing. I voted for Bernie and didn't vote at all for President. I think Trump is a retarded human being who doesn't deserve to be the leader of an entire country, and I also think Hillary is a two faced lying asshole who cheated her way to the nomination.

 

[Commodus]

Hillary lost because working class people are tired of liberal agendas.

We are tired of free trade. We are tired of banks getting bailed out. We are tired of wall street getting a free ride. We are tired of obama being more interested in bathrooms than veterans.

*White, straight, Christian and predominantly male working class people. Virtually every other group swung heavily toward Clinton (see the chart below as a representative example). It just so happens that the US is still mostly white in battleground states.

Also, don't confuse anti-establishment sentiment with a frustration with liberal agendas. Or pretend that a self-proclaimed billionaire who evades taxes and represents big business is a man of the people. I suspect that people just thought Clinton was too establishment and voted accordingly.

 

[Blanky]

This, so much this. Just because I didn't put a sign in my yard or join in with the foaming at the mouth idiots (on both sides) doesn't mean I haven't been watching. The dems had gotten too used to being in power and had made sport of dumping on Trump. From Hollywood, to the media, to the masses that thought it was funny to steal yard signs, all of them were so condescending.
I'm no big fan of Trump, but his transgressions pale in comparison to Hillary's.

Yep, everyone from the politicians in power to SNL. All mocking, all too dismissive. All these smug assholes who pile on and while they do it don't realize they are also insulting half the country because half the country disagrees with their politics.

I am smart enough to know the incredible risk with Trump. He's everything they say about him (well, much of it). But hillary got a huge pass. So much of the country voted for a person under criminal investigation. And the stuff with the emails and comey and the tarmac and yet nobody gave a shit. CNN colluding, nobody cares. Hack journalists, still employed. Clinton foundation pay for play, no charges. This is beyond the pale. It was just unacceptable. A lot of the country literally felt that it was being stolen from them.

Trump may be a complete disaster. But hillary was a pill too big to swallow. She was the pure form of everything that is wrong with the country.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally? Tell me something I don't know. The entire election was a reality tv-show and you simpletons voted between either of the two candidates based solely on their personalities... right I get it...

Actually they vote in part because you think you are better than anyone else and that is not true. You and the far right have much in common, that is that anyone who is "not like us" is crap under your shoe.

The econ pitch sounds appealing but for the fact that trump's original supporters were hardly poor and the tag alongs still above average. The data does show however that they perceive their socioecon status encroached upon by minorities which rather compels them. Trump's racial resentment numbers are off the charts even compared to primary opponents.

This translates to our reality where the "good" jobs in middle america (where trump got most of his "suprise" support) whether in public (eg post, law enforcement) or private sector (eg mgmt) are still mostly white, and they worry that might not be true for their spawn with the brownies & such coming in. Those people are going to get the good jobs. It's pretty obvious with straight thinking that illegals working for less than minimal wage are hardly contending for that work, but evidently that's not how the people feel. Pretty easy to see trump's campaign was based largely around fanning those fears.

Most people I know who voted for Trump aren't worried about minorities taking good jobs, but that good jobs are becoming fewer to begin with. Certainly an incoming crowd from abroad might be a concern to some, but if I said blacks worried that their spawn might not do as well under Trump I'd be labeled a condescending racist. These are parents worried about their children's future being shipped overseas.

The disdain for their concerns cost the Democrats dearly. Trump is a fraud of course but doesn't give the sense that the children of the majority are something to be put down. Frankly both sides are alike in too many ways. It's merely who they pander to that is different.

Well we were bound to get the President we deserved and we did. How sad.

 

[mizzou]

deplorables. bengazi. arab spring. anti video game violence push. supreme court justice choices. BLM. deleted emails. wikileaks. bill clinton. uma abadein-weiner. super predators. illness. stiff/bookish. redline. obamacare. hotsauce.

the dnc cheated bernie and now they are paying the piper. rnc tried to cheat trump but failed.

this was the year of the shakeup vote and hillary had no place of it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump isn't a "republican" and is more of a 3rd party.

Very very true. Trump historically has been left of center on many things, but he's an individualist on steroids. Since he has no party when it comes to Congress he is either going to have to give and go from the center or be marginalized by both parties. Ironically, he may be the catalyst that forces both warring sides to force their elitists who are too good for blacks or whites out and we see some constructive bipartisanship. Yep that's the good news because we've needed change for too many years and change happens in troubled times. Maybe, just maybe, this will force some good to come about.

 

[greatnoob]

Actually they vote in part because you think you are better than anyone else and that is not true. You and the far right have much in common, that is that anyone who is "not like us" is crap under your shoe.

You are one very dense person, my friend.

This is what you said:
a. "Actually they vote in part because you think you are better than anyone else and that is not true. "

This is what another user posted before you (in case you still don't understand, you've repeated the same thing as this bloke):
b. "Attitudes like yours pissed off a lot of folks and motivated them to get out and vote for Trump. You can't win people over to your viewpoint by insulting and attacking them."

This is what I replied with after they posted:
"Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally? Tell me something I don't know. The entire election was a reality tv-show and you simpletons voted between either of the two candidates based solely on their personalities... right I get it..."

And this is my reply to you:
"Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally? Tell me something I don't know. The entire election was a reality tv-show and you simpletons voted between either of the two candidates based solely on their personalities... right I get it..."

Do you understand what this is saying? Let me break it down for you:
You've both admitted Ameritards vote for a candidate emotionally and not rationally, i.e., see a. and b.
hence my comment "Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally?"

And I'll end this with "Tell me something I don't know" once more. Do you understand now or should I go over this again one more time...?

 

[skyking]

people drank the Nate Silver 538 koolaid and did not turn out. Figured it was in the bag. OOPS!

 

[NostaSeronx]

White => 196,817,552, 63.7 % of America, of those that voted: 58% went Trump & 37% went Clinton.
Black => 37,685,848, 12.2 % of America, of those that voted: 8% went Trump & 88% went Clinton.
Hispanic => 50,477,594, 16.3 % of America, of those that voted: 29% went Trump & 65% went Clinton.
Asian => 14,465,124, 4.7 % of America, of those that voted: 29% went Trump & 65% went Clinton.

Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton lost because she failed to get the majority White vote.

 

[vi edit]

*White, straight, Christian and predominantly male working class people. Virtually every other group swung heavily toward Clinton (see the chart below as a representative example). It just so happens that the US is still mostly white in battleground states.

Also, don't confuse anti-establishment sentiment with a frustration with liberal agendas. Or pretend that a self-proclaimed billionaire who evades taxes and represents big business is a man of the people. I suspect that people just thought Clinton was too establishment and voted accordingly.

Yeah if women had broke harder at that 60%'ish they were polling at a month ago we may be looking at a different map this morning.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

*White, straight, Christian and predominantly male working class people. Virtually every other group swung heavily toward Clinton (see the chart below as a representative example). It just so happens that the US is still mostly white in battleground states.

Also, don't confuse anti-establishment sentiment with a frustration with liberal agendas. Or pretend that a self-proclaimed billionaire who evades taxes and represents big business is a man of the people. I suspect that people just thought Clinton was too establishment and voted accordingly.

Trump has vast wealth, but he is no more a part of Wall Street than he is a Republican. He's an opportunist who is more shark like than anything else. A predator if you will.

If you look at that chart I could make an argument that the true corporatist, the one who made hundreds of millions from Wall Street friends was backed by minorities who believe she will save them.

It's equal and opposite. The common thread is that people are looking for hope and one side pisses on the constituency of the others. The "ignorant" minorities and the "racist" working whites.

Until one side learns to be inclusive and realize we are a nation of people, not partisans who "know" the other side is shite, nothing will improve. Don't despise white men concerned about their children and their next paycheck, nor minorities with their concerns.

We lack empathy as a people.

 

[brandonbull]

1. Was the system rigged? I wouldnt put it pass him to try (getting help from the ruskies?(voting machines, rootkits))
2. The email hack (ruskies)
3. Wikileaks (assange)
4. Cambridge Analytica.(corporate america)

This is insane. Maybe the US should be building schools at home as well as in afghanistan and iraq. Idiocracy just turned reality show. A reality shitshow - playing to the tune of the russian national anthem. Stupid.

And thinking like this is why Hillary and her liberal elites lost. Didn't or couldn't focus on what the real issues are with the majority of Americans. I guess lies and hatred can only get you so far.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

*White, straight, Christian and predominantly male working class people. Virtually every other group swung heavily toward Clinton (see the chart below as a representative example). It just so happens that the US is still mostly white in battleground states.

Also, don't confuse anti-establishment sentiment with a frustration with liberal agendas. Or pretend that a self-proclaimed billionaire who evades taxes and represents big business is a man of the people. I suspect that people just thought Clinton was too establishment and voted accordingly.

I've seen that chart on /pol/ and assumed it was fake when compared to numbers that can be found on Romney. Is that from a reputable news organization? If it is, it actually shows that Trump performed just about as well as Romney with all demographics, minority support actually going up slightly (though that might have been due to absence of an Obama opponent) and white support actually going down a little. Just interesting that all the stuff he has said didn't seem to really hurt him at all demographically.

 

[JeffNY35]

First, I have been as neutral and as un-biased as I could be during this whole election cycle. I really understand both sides. I had an argument with a couple of my friends that were strong Hillary supporters during the debates. My argument is that trump actually won the debates. They threw all kinds of fact checks at me, quoting "bigly" and all the flakey mannerisms of trump. If this was a fact check war, surely Hillary won. What they failed to realize that the election was about ENERGIZING the base.

Trump supporters didn't just vote. They dragged pissed off mobs of Americans with them. I watched the mannerisms of people voting here in NY. The Trump people were still rallying at the last minute. The Hillary supporters looked over confident. And that's what they were, Trump is a big evil man and there is just no way they could lose. Nobody seemed to be paying attention to the fact Hillary brought no policies to the table that represented positive change. Her campaign was based on her being more level headed and prepared that Trump. We all thought it worked.

That is why Trump won. Like it or not that is what happened. I am still trying to wrap my ahead around if this a great thing or a disaster. We do not know. Time will tell.

 

[TeeJay1952]

in the early 70's Chrysler took us to a Plant Wide meeting and they talked about Globalization and the fact that we might not be able to rely on lifetime employment. At the same time frame Time magazine was constantly talking about it. This was before robots. Ignored by most and now the bill is coming due and folks are freaked out.

If you tuned into Sports Center 2 years before Super Bowl and did nothing but listen to the pre game pump you may have a skewed viewpoint on importance of the game.

He is our President now. You can jump on him for his mistakes but PLEASE wait till he makes them and not sour on America or Democracy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You are one very dense person, my friend.

This is what you said:
a. "Actually they vote in part because you think you are better than anyone else and that is not true. "

This is what another user posted before you (in case you still don't understand, you've repeated the same thing as this bloke):
b. "Attitudes like yours pissed off a lot of folks and motivated them to get out and vote for Trump. You can't win people over to your viewpoint by insulting and attacking them."

This is what I replied with after they posted:
"Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally? Tell me something I don't know. The entire election was a reality tv-show and you simpletons voted between either of the two candidates based solely on their personalities... right I get it..."

And this is my reply to you:
"Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally? Tell me something I don't know. The entire election was a reality tv-show and you simpletons voted between either of the two candidates based solely on their personalities... right I get it..."

Do you understand what this is saying? Let me break it down for you:
You've both admitted Ameritards vote for a candidate emotionally and not rationally, i.e., see a. and b.
hence my comment "Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally?"

And I'll end this with "Tell me something I don't know" once more. Do you understand now or should I go over this again one more time...?

This thread was about why Hillary lost, and the reasons are rational and emotional. That you have problems with that does not make you more intelligent or rational. In fact it makes you look foolish and you bring nothing to the discussion. Rational and unenlightened scorn expressed in your pedantic way is not impressive.

 

[Exterous]

I don't think the country is going to change that much other than SCOTUS noms.

Thats kinda a big deal and has more potential for long term harm than most of what Trump could do in 4 years

Ah, so you Ameritards vote emotionally and not rationally?

Who rationally voted in Pauline Hanson and the other One Party members?

 

[Blanky]

people drank the Nate Silver 538 koolaid and did not turn out. Figured it was in the bag. OOPS!

Not really. 538 gave trump better odds than most others. They went into the election giving him 28% chance of winning. Huffingtonpost gave him a 1.5% chance of winning.

It looks to me like 538 was off, but not massively.

 

[K1052]

Thats kinda a big deal and has more potential for long term harm than most of what Trump could do in 4 years

RBG is going to die on the bench so Scalia's slot may be the limit of the damage.