What do you think it was?
Personally I don't think its Trump getting the racists out.. they were out in force against Obama.
I think this is a big factor on why the polling was so wrong. The political left doesn't seem to tolerate any different perspective without attaching denigrating labels, so most people that supported Trump did so without saying it to many people outside their immediate circle. The vitriol from many of the left denouncing and demonizing those who didn't like Hillary or supported Trump was a big factor helping drive support for him in my opinion.
Or pretend that a self-proclaimed billionaire who evades taxes
Reading your posts here, I think you should seriously consider re-enrolling back into 9th grade... you're in no position to hand out your ill-informed blanket statements judging by what you've commented in this subforum.
Also, I'm not from the States.... your typical Hilary voter is no different to me than your Trump voter: both easily fooled and exploited through emotional appeal. You slot perfectly into the same group, regardless.
she lost because of people like you calling non-racist, racist and other bullshit. she lost because people like you pissed off the blue collars and rural voters enought to totally flip the charts. she didnt just lose she got her ass handed to her.
and no Bernie did not ever stand a change. the map of the US would be more red than it was this morning if that elderly socialist was the democratic front runner.
thank you for your contribution to the Trump campaign
Excuse me, but why can't the economy be an important thing for me if I make > $70k???
She lost because she was the proxy for the establishment, and most of the country thinks the country is going in the wrong direction.
The democrats need to really think about what they have done. No oval, no house, no senate. Why? Because they backed a fucking criminal. And they knew it. They knew she wasn't the person for the job but they thought their deceit and control of media would get them through.
Bernie was there. An honest guy who cared. But, no, they had to shut him down and cheat to do it. Now they are reaping what they have sown.
But not at $100K...Must have missed the posts in the ACA thread. I could be out of pocket $30K before insurance pays anything.You can afford your daily bread with 70k/yr. You're allowed to complain about the economy only if you're struggling to balance three part-time minimum wage jobs, or if you're a stock broker.
No. My spouse is from South East Asia. I've lived there before for many years. If things do really become bad, I may move if they don't welcome immigrants anymore but my spouse has a green card at the moment. So I'm not very worried but I am concerned..
The keys, which are explained in depth in Lichtman’s book “Predicting the Next President: The Keys to the White House 2016” are:
1. Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.
2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.
3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.
4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.
5. Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.
6. Long-term economy: Real per-capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.
7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.
8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.
9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.
10. Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.
11. Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.
12. Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.
13. Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.
Sounds like you're backtracking.
"and the reasons are rational and emotional"
Where is the rational reasoning in this:
"Actually they vote in part because you think you are better than anyone else and that is not true. You and the far right have much in common, that is that anyone who is "not like us" is crap under your shoe."
"Rational and unenlightened scorn expressed in your pedantic way is not impressive."
Randomly quoting my comment without understanding its context and replying with the same crap as another poster shows me you have trouble comprehending how a forum works. If explaining context of my post that you blindly quoted is what you consider being pedantic and "unenlightened scorn" then perhaps next time read and process what's written before parroting exactly what another user has posted - that way I don't have to spoonfeed you the context behind a post.
Just a quick point here about majorities.
No candidate received a majority of the vote. 52% of the country wanted someone other than President elect Trump
He also lost the popular vote to Hillary (or at best roughly tied once the counting is done)
Trump did receive enough votes from a coalition of voters dissatisfied with the status quo to take the electoral college. This is not a majority of the country nor is it a plurality of the country.
The deep division of the country as shown by this election continues. Which will be felt in the mid terms and 2020 if not addressed.
Dude, keep calm and use Preparation H. Trump hasn't really aired out ANY sort of agenda, he's been too slick to be pinned down on most of what he wants to do, probably because he himself hadn't figured out exactly how much he could get Congress to agree to yet. I don't see how they could have voted for a rubber-stamp establishment when the "rubber stamp establishment" consists of a man who has never held office, has no track record in the office he never held, and was in fact ostracized by much of his own "establishment" party during the election.
Now, you want to now what "establishement" really means? In the dictionary, under "establishment," there's a family photo of the Clintons and Bushes. They're all grinning and giving the reader the finger.
Excuse me, but why can't the economy be an important thing for me if I make > $70k???
Reading your posts here, I think you should seriously consider re-enrolling back into 9th grade... you're in no position to hand out your ill-informed blanket statements judging by what you've commented in this subforum.
Also, I'm not from the States.... your typical Hilary voter is no different to me than your Trump voter: both easily fooled and exploited through emotional appeal. You slot perfectly into the same group..
Looks like you pretty much proved my point. For some reason there are a lot of people who think that if someone has a different view or political lean it must be because they are dumb, ill-informed, racist, bigoted, easily exploited and such. The idea that people might simply disagree on something doesn't enter their thought process. This type of thinking is polarizing, not constructive and brings us candidates like Trump.
"then claim you are easily fooled"wow so you insult the guy then claim you are easily fooled. nice.
So why are they overwhelming replying in the affirmative to questions like "minority X is getting ahead at the expense of whites"? Particularly for trump even within the GOP field? Seems rather obvious that even the conservative establishment greatly underestimate the sheer level of these sentiments; had Romney or McCain gone full bore with birtherism and such as their successor had they might well have won like he did. Despite what many here like to think, Trump is not stupid and in fact rather cunning as a politician; evidently more so than people who believe he's dumb.Most people I know who voted for Trump aren't worried about minorities taking good jobs, but that good jobs are becoming fewer to begin with. Certainly an incoming crowd from abroad might be a concern to some, but if I said blacks worried that their spawn might not do as well under Trump I'd be labeled a condescending racist. These are parents worried about their children's future being shipped overseas.
The disdain for their concerns cost the Democrats dearly. Trump is a fraud of course but doesn't give the sense that the children of the majority are something to be put down. Frankly both sides are alike in too many ways. It's merely who they pander to that is different.
Well we were bound to get the President we deserved and we did. How sad.
Well clearly you haven't been paying attention. Trump doesn't care about policy, hence the lack of any detail or even an agenda as you admitted. Therefore, so long as repubs kiss his ring he will sign whatever they throw his way.
I wonder what your definition of McCain's reelection for the umpteenth time would be called, you certainly can't call it anti establishment.
I look forward to four years of utterly retarded, fact free comments from trump supporters.
Sounds like pure bullshit to me. I make more than $70k, but I'm extremely concerned about the economy. The economy affects us all. I don't live hand to mouth or paycheck to paycheck, but the economy is high on my list of important issues. In this election I don't know if I gave any big preference on economy to either candidate though, so it didn't sway me.The typical narrative is that these are people dispossessed of a good job by globalization or basically have little to lose so they're willing to roll the dice with trump. The data shows they already have the good jobs, and are terribly worried brown people are coming to take them.
RBG is going to die on the bench so Scalia's slot may be the limit of the damage.
Lastly, she was too honest.
A minority of Australian bogans -> low socioeconomic, uneducated and low skilled workers. Your average Ameritard is our minority.
The typical narrative is that these are people dispossessed of a good job by globalization or basically have little to lose so they're willing to roll the dice with trump. The data shows they already have the good jobs, and are terribly worried brown people are coming to take them.
And a minority voted for Trump. Apparently you don't understand basic words like 'average'.
Sounds like pure bullshit to me. I make more than $70k, but I'm extremely concerned about the economy. The economy affects us all. I don't live hand to mouth or paycheck to paycheck, but the economy is high on my list of important issues. In this election I don't know if I gave any big preference on economy to either candidate though, so it didn't sway me.
Take your white guilt and shove it!
(can you provide a percentage or source just so I can fact check?)