So why did Hillary lose?

[Majes]

I believe that the reason she lost can be blamed simply on the fact that she failed to dominate the vote of women in this country... The potential first woman president running against a documented womanizer should have been a slam dunk.

 

[K1052]

Not really. 538 gave trump better odds than most others. They went into the election giving him 28% chance of winning. Huffingtonpost gave him a 1.5% chance of winning.

It looks to me like 538 was off, but not massively.

As I recall most of their predictions foresaw either a large Clinton victory or a very narrow Trump win. A lot of other people did much worse.

 

[npaladin-2000]

This had as little to do with ideology as a political election can. Clinton represented the traditional political dynastic class, privleged and elite and enjoying it. Trump was the quintessential outsider shaking up the system. People voted to shake up the system because they were tired of political elites looking down their noses at them. Plain and simple. Would have worked the same way if it was Jeb Bush vs Bernie Sanders: Bush would have lost because Bernie was an outsider shaking up the system, and a Bush is the same sort of privliged political elite as a Clinton is.

 

[greatnoob]

This thread was about why Hillary lost, and the reasons are rational and emotional. That you have problems with that does not make you more intelligent or rational. In fact it makes you look foolish and you bring nothing to the discussion. Rational and unenlightened scorn expressed in your pedantic way is not impressive.

Sounds like you're backtracking.

"and the reasons are rational and emotional"

Where is the rational reasoning in this:
"Actually they vote in part because you think you are better than anyone else and that is not true. You and the far right have much in common, that is that anyone who is "not like us" is crap under your shoe."

"Rational and unenlightened scorn expressed in your pedantic way is not impressive."
Randomly quoting my comment without understanding its context and replying with the same crap as another poster shows me you have trouble comprehending how a forum works. If explaining context of my post that you blindly quoted is what you consider being pedantic and "unenlightened scorn" then perhaps next time read and process what's written before parroting exactly what another user has posted - that way I don't have to spoonfeed you the context behind a post.

 

[ivwshane]

She lost because of a couple of reasons

She's a horrible politician (I've said this from the beginning). She doesn't have any of the qualities bill had that people were attracted to.

She didn't run on her policies. She fell into the same trap all of trump's opponents fell into, lowering themselves to trumps level.

She had no bumper sticker type slogan that could sum up the reason to vote for her. Can anyone tell me what she was running on? I supported her and I cannot think of it.

Lastly, she was too honest. For example, when she said that our current energy policies and her energy policies have/would put out coal workers. She was being brutally honest and it cost her.

 

[Double Trouble]

What do you think it was?

Personally I don't think its Trump getting the racists out.. they were out in force against Obama.

I just think Hillary was too establishment and stealing Bernie out of his win came back to haunt her. Wrong candidate for this cycle.

Do you think Bernie would have beaten Trump? I think so.. looking at the primary.. all the blue states she lost tonight went for Bernie so it might have been resentment for her more so than love for Trump.

But as always, what do you guys think?

You know why she lost? Because she's terrible candidate with all the charm of a rattlesnake. That, and people like you who want to smear anyone who doesn't have your same worldview as automatically being racist, bigoted, sexist, ageist, genderist or whatever other bullshit label you want to put on them. I know a LOT of people who strongly oppose Trump who ended up voting for him anyway because they were tired of the way the left tries to impose their perspective on everyone.

 

[Double Trouble]

Every study and survey on the matter put racial resentment as the priority for trump fans (even above his primary challengers), and that metric is probably the best predictor of party affiliation these days. Frankly it's hard to dispute that his movement was based around what he was saying about the muslims and mexicans or such, again in contrast to even his primary foes.

Econ usually comes second as something they claim to, but the most detailed study of trump supporters by gallop found they general have high-ish incomes averaging >70k, so that can't be it.

So by the process of elimination, it's not hard to figure what really matters. Conservatives are right in that the media and educators suppress white nationalism (arguably for good reason), but the reality remains that this election set us straight far as what motivates more americans.

Excuse me, but why can't the economy be an important thing for me if I make > $70k???

 

[ivwshane]

This had as little to do with ideology as a political election can. Clinton represented the traditional political dynastic class, privleged and elite and enjoying it. Trump was the quintessential outsider shaking up the system. People voted to shake up the system because they were tired of political elites looking down their noses at them. Plain and simple. Would have worked the same way if it was Jeb Bush vs Bernie Sanders: Bush would have lost because Bernie was an outsider shaking up the system, and a Bush is the same sort of privliged political elite as a Clinton is.

Yeah that's complete bullshit. You want to know how I know that's bullshit? Because pretty much every incumbent won reelection. The American people gave the party that already had the house, the senate, and a majority of local and state governments, the presidency and now the supreme court. They clearly voted for the establishment and they voted for the one guy who would rubber stamp their agenda.

 

[greatnoob]

Who rationally[sic] voted in Pauline Hanson and the other One Party members?

A minority of Australian bogans -> low socioeconomic, uneducated and low skilled workers. Your average Ameritard is our minority.

 

[michal1980]

All my peers in macroeconomics class are laughing at how stupid and naive the average American is. Trump is a moron as are his followers. Let's hope you idiots don't start the next Great Depression or World War 3 and drag Australia and NZ with you, but I wouldn't put it past you guys seeing as how you elected a clown as your president...

This is why Hilary lost. People like this.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You can afford your daily bread with 70k/yr. You're allowed to complain about the economy only if you're struggling to balance three part-time minimum wage jobs, or if you're a stock broker.

 

[SKORPI0]

Article from Sept.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-hillary-clinton-lost_us_57dc4bece4b04a1497b491b6

 

[Blanky]

As I recall most of their predictions foresaw either a large Clinton victory or a very narrow Trump win. A lot of other people did much worse.

Yes, but his victory is not a landslide as others pointed out. It looks like they got about the same popular whereas I think they had him up 3. But nate also said just a few days ago trump is within a typical polling error of victory.

 

[Blanky]

Lastly, she was too honest. For example, when she said that our current energy policies and her energy policies have/would put out coal workers. She was being brutally honest and it cost her.

HAHAHAHAHA Hillary did not lose because she is too honest. Believe me.

 

[RichUK]

Because she's female.

 

[npaladin-2000]

Yeah that's complete bullshit. You want to know how I know that's bullshit? Because pretty much every incumbent won reelection. The American people gave the party that already had the house, the senate, and a majority of local and state governments, the presidency and now the supreme court. They clearly voted for the establishment and they voted for the one guy who would rubber stamp their agenda.

Dude, keep calm and use Preparation H. Trump hasn't really aired out ANY sort of agenda, he's been too slick to be pinned down on most of what he wants to do, probably because he himself hadn't figured out exactly how much he could get Congress to agree to yet. I don't see how they could have voted for a rubber-stamp establishment when the "rubber stamp establishment" consists of a man who has never held office, has no track record in the office he never held, and was in fact ostracized by much of his own "establishment" party during the election.

Now, you want to now what "establishement" really means? In the dictionary, under "establishment," there's a family photo of the Clintons and Bushes. They're all grinning and giving the reader the finger.

 

[tynopik]

Obama's ignored the will of the people on immigration and paid the price

The Repubs in Congress didn't do anything either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any serious legislation the Repubs introduced during Obama's two terms that dealt with closing the borders, or hunting down all of the illegals and deporting them wholesale, etc.

If anything, the Repubs in Congress sure as hell made a whole lot of noise about it, but that's about it.

exactly right

the voters gave the Republicans mandate after mandate after mandate to do something about immigration and got nothing

they were so furious that they were willing to burn the whole thing to the ground and Trump was their instrument of vengeance

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I kinda thought she lost when she dropped that incredibly stupid statement about deplorables. You do not do that, the candidate is fair game, policies are fair game, supporters are not. I thought that was just an incredibly short sighted thing to say, and I believe there's record on this forum of me saying that as well, right after she said it.
If you alienate 1/4 of the country, chances are you're upsetting a lot more. Fucking stupid, stupid, stupid thing to say.

 

[rudder]

Do you think Bernie would have beaten Trump? I think so.. looking at the primary.. all the blue states she lost tonight went for Bernie so it might have been resentment for her more so than love for Trump.

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Bernie could have beaten Trump. I would have been ok with a Bernie presidency even though he is a socialist. He did not have the corrupt political machine that doomed Clinton. Think Reagan/O'Neal and Clinton/Gingrich. Both pairs were opposed ideologically, however each realized that we are a nation of 300+ million different people in a two party system. They were politicians in the true sense of the word who would each give the other side a concession on the side of progress. We haven't had that in a long time... with Hillary we would have gone full tilt in the wrong direction.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I find it hilarious that Clinton won in my county but the Republican Congressman was reelected. Based on the vote count at least 40% made their Presidential selection and didn't make any other selections before casting their vote.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I kinda thought she lost when she dropped that incredibly stupid statement about deplorables. You do not do that, the candidate is fair game, policies are fair game, supporters are not. I thought that was just an incredibly short sighted thing to say, and I believe there's record on this forum of me saying that as well, right after she said it.
If you alienate 1/4 of the country, chances are you're upsetting a lot more. Fucking stupid, stupid, stupid thing to say.

Then Bill made the comment about regular rednecks.

 

[twinrider1]

Who rationally[sic] voted in Pauline Hanson and the other One Party members? quoted by greatnoob.

What is your reason for the [sic] ?

 

[Puffnstuff]

She had no bumper sticker type slogan that could sum up the reason to vote for her.

Could be since no red blooded American male can resist a catch phrase like "grab them by the pussy" can they? The fact the big religion backed this horse makes me want to puke.

 

[greatnoob]

This is why Hilary lost. People like this.

Reading your posts here, I think you should seriously consider re-enrolling back into 9th grade... you're in no position to hand out your ill-informed blanket statements judging by what you've commented in this subforum.

Also, I'm not from the States.... your typical Hilary voter is no different to me than your Trump voter: both easily fooled and exploited through emotional appeal. You slot perfectly into the same group..

 

[blankslate]

What do you think it was?

Personally I don't think its Trump getting the racists out.. they were out in force against Obama.

I just think Hillary was too establishment and stealing Bernie out of his win came back to haunt her. Wrong candidate for this cycle.

Do you think Bernie would have beaten Trump? I think so.. looking at the primary.. all the blue states she lost tonight went for Bernie so it might have been resentment for her more so than love for Trump.

But as always, what do you guys think?

You're pretty much on the money.

some have replied that it's because people wanted change....

Well if Bernie was the nominee that would've also represented change for the democratic party and the general election....
Sadly DWS and the DNC tipped the scales perhaps enough to actually change the outcome of the primary for the democratic party so we'll never empirically know.


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[Double Trouble]

This is why Hilary lost. People like this.

I think this is a big factor on why the polling was so wrong. The political left doesn't seem to tolerate any different perspective without attaching denigrating labels, so most people that supported Trump did so without saying it to many people outside their immediate circle. The vitriol from many of the left denouncing and demonizing those who didn't like Hillary or supported Trump was a big factor helping drive support for him in my opinion.