Originally posted by: Rainsford
I am NOT saying we can't live without government imposed systems, I'm saying society as a whole functions better with them.
So we are better off with millions of uneducated people pouring out of the public school *cough* prison system? We are better off with a draft system where people's sons can be shipped off to foreign lands, only to come back in body bags? We are better off with an 'entitlement' system that is technically bankrupt? We are better off wasting trillions of dollars on the war in Iraq? We are better off with hundreds upon hundreds of nuclear weapons that could be launched in mass human extinction? We are better off with a tax system that has literally set technological innovation back centuries? We are better off with roads where 50,000 people die in auto accidents every year? We are better off with prison systems
literally choke full of people who did nothing more than either smoke or sell weed?
Your statement is so effing absurd, it is absolutely stunning every time I hear people like you say something like that. Government imposed systems are a scourge of humanity and not you or any of your socialist bretheren has ever shown a single shred of evidence that there has
ever in the history of humanity been a state that was actually
good in any sense of the word. Every single one has murdered, conquered, destroyed and robbed. While no socialist or anyone else for that matter has ever shown me a
good state from history, you and your ilk somehow believe that we have finally done it! We have finally pulled the wisest of sages, the most benelovent and honorable men from society who have been so kind as to rule us! How did this miracle actually occur?? Oh wait, I think we may have been fooled again...
Your egotistical "free thinker" bullshit aside, I think the problem with your ideology is that you are too busy living in a fantasy world to be realistic. I don't LIKE government intrusion, but the difference between people like me and people like you is that I'm willing to put up with things I don't like because I realize the world is a better place because of it. Your problem is that you think because you don't like something, that everyone would be better off it if was gone. To use a simple analogy, I don't like speed limits, but I realize the mess we'd have on the roads if we didn't have them.
You are willing to send your tax dollars to murderers. Muderers with a capital M. This is not simply a matter of government intrusion, so let me repeat myself: you are sending your money to cold blooded
killers and torturers. You, like many others, are so smug and cozy in your socialist fantasies that you seem to forget that you are literally financing murder and torture. So no, unlike you, I am not willing to put up with financing murder and torture. People like you think it's just fine as long as the state keeps pumping money into your beloved social welfare programs. You know, just as long as the bodies of those killed don't show up on your doorstep.
That is actually a pretty good analogy for my point. If I'm driving through the middle of nowhere in Utah, I can drive (and have driven) pretty much any speed I want to that my car can physically handle. The only consideration for me is my own personal safety and how fast I can get to my destination. But in my daily commute, since I live and work in the extremely crowded Baltimore/Washington metro area, driving like that would be dangerous to me and everyone around me.
If it is a danger to you and everyone around you, why would you need a politician and a cop with with a tin badge and a gun to tell you not to drive fast in a heavily congested area? You wouldn't be able to do crazy things in anarchy with no consequences. In fact, in anarchy, there would be nothing but the most severe consequences for your actions, because punishment would come about unhindered by any bureaucracy. Criminals would literally be swinging from the trees.
There is a reason anarchy has always been popular on the "frontier", it's because there is enough land and resources and everything else, and few enough people, that doing your own thing tends to work out pretty well. That is not so true in modern society, where working together becomes a necessity rather than just a burden.
The irony is that the big cities have now practically become what the movies inaccurately depicted the wild west to be, replete with roving gangs. People are now leaving the big cities in droves, and if it weren't for immigrants just off the boat, they would have already been majorly depopulated.
Your point about leaving the country is true enough, because that IS the only option left. You want complete freedom to do whatever you like at all times, move to some undeveloped part of the world and do your thing there...I imagine it would work pretty well. But the idea of being able to transform a country with 300 million people into "everyone for himself" is silly. It's an appealing fantasy, which might explain why your group isn't as small as you might think, but it's not real tuned in to reality.
Yes, I do want complete freedom to do whatever I want at all times, and that is what I want for everyone else. You live a life based on an illusion of control. You think that the state will protect you from people doing whatever they want(gasp). But this is nonesense. People are already doing what they want, the unfortunate thing though, is that they have decided to cannablize each other with the state. You can't control them now, and you never will, and playing by the rules won't change their behavior in any event. Playing by the rules is actually the worst strategy you can use.