So your plan is to have 6% of US income from oil and make every city and town a tourist destination or trade hub? Lay off the crack pipe, dude.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You aren't seriously using UAE as your example? The only reason they are able to do it with low taxes is their oil revenue. They are simply taxing energy consumers in other states instead of their population. Look around your house. See anything made in or designed in UAE? Didn't think so. Show me a state that is not running huge natural resource trade surpluses where your utopian model is working.
Wow, and people tell me I haven't done my homework!
Revenues from petroleum and natural gas contribute less than 6% (2006)[6] of Dubai's US$ 37 billion economy (2005).[7] A majority of the emirate's revenues are from the Jebel Ali free zone authority (JAFZA)[8] and, increasingly, from tourism and other service businesses. As of 2007, 800 new residents were setting up home in Dubai every day.[9]
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Wow, 800 new residents setting up shop in a 'brutal' capitalist state every day!
Why does a place have to actually make things to be wealthy? It's called providing services. Even more evidence of your ignorance of economics.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. I believe you are either very young, or very ignorant.
Public schools might not educate people up to your standards, but the vast vast majority have the skills necessary to hold down a job, which was in fact the whole point of them.
You are joking, right?! My girlfriend is a teacher in a public school. She teaches pre-calculus. A large percentage of her students can not even add, subtract and divide fractions. Forget about job skills, these kids have none. Fortunately, she is quitting as soon as she can.
The public education system was actually designed to fail from the beginning. Or at least fail in the purported goal of actually educating kids. Award winning teacher John Taylor Gatto explains this.
Mob justice isn't justice, it's just a different form of tyrrany. Modern economies are based upon a significant amount of liquidity in capital which would be completely impossible in an anarchistic system which means that we would be faced with a catastrophic recession if we signed on to your plan.
There is a market for justice just like anything else. There isn't any reason why it would be run by 'mobs,' any more than your supermarket is run by 'mobs.' The huge difference though is that people would no longer be forced to live with criminals.
Of course leaders are corrupt, and in some ways people are fools to believe in their benevolence. It is orders of magnitude more foolish however to believe that an every man for himself world would be better, thus trusting in the benevolence of everyone around you.
There has never been a society that was 'every many for himself.' As I pointed out before, in the near anarcho-capitalist conditions of what is called the 'wild' west, people were able to start businesses and raise their families.
That is, for the 15 minutes or so an anarchistic system would exist before a strongman crushed everyone under his bootheel.
EDIT: I can't spell
Where were these strong men from 1776 to 1900?
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You aren't seriously using UAE as your example? The only reason they are able to do it with low taxes is their oil revenue. They are simply taxing energy consumers in other states instead of their population. Look around your house. See anything made in or designed in UAE? Didn't think so. Show me a state that is not running huge natural resource trade surpluses where your utopian model is working.
Wow, and people tell me I haven't done my homework!
Revenues from petroleum and natural gas contribute less than 6% (2006)[6] of Dubai's US$ 37 billion economy (2005).[7] A majority of the emirate's revenues are from the Jebel Ali free zone authority (JAFZA)[8] and, increasingly, from tourism and other service businesses. As of 2007, 800 new residents were setting up home in Dubai every day.[9]
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Wow, 800 new residents setting up shop in a 'brutal' capitalist state every day!
Why does a place have to actually make things to be wealthy? It's called providing services. Even more evidence of your ignorance of economics.
So your plan is to have 6% of US income from oil and make every city and town a tourist destination or trade hub? Lay off the crack pipe, dude.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You aren't seriously using UAE as your example? The only reason they are able to do it with low taxes is their oil revenue. They are simply taxing energy consumers in other states instead of their population. Look around your house. See anything made in or designed in UAE? Didn't think so. Show me a state that is not running huge natural resource trade surpluses where your utopian model is working.
Wow, and people tell me I haven't done my homework!
Revenues from petroleum and natural gas contribute less than 6% (2006)[6] of Dubai's US$ 37 billion economy (2005).[7] A majority of the emirate's revenues are from the Jebel Ali free zone authority (JAFZA)[8] and, increasingly, from tourism and other service businesses. As of 2007, 800 new residents were setting up home in Dubai every day.[9]
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Wow, 800 new residents setting up shop in a 'brutal' capitalist state every day!
Why does a place have to actually make things to be wealthy? It's called providing services. Even more evidence of your ignorance of economics.
So your plan is to have 6% of US income from oil and make every city and town a tourist destination or trade hub? Lay off the crack pipe, dude.
What are you talking about? You are making 0 sense right now.
I don't have a 'plan' for the U.S. other than to leave as soon as I am financially stable enough to do so. Plans for countries is what you and your ilk are conjuring up everyday (this is known as social engineering).
Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't think Dubai's current development has been socially engineered? Please go over there already, and take more of your ilk with you.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't think Dubai's current development has been socially engineered? Please go over there already, and take more of your ilk with you.
It wasn't engineered because true prosperity can never be engineered from above, but only from below by individuals and the spontaneous order that results. But it was indeed allowed to occur by the state. Allowing something to happen and actually engineering it are two entirely different things.
If I take more people with me, that is less money for social security and all of your other socialist programs, accelerating their collapse. Do you really want that to happen? Actually, if a large enough number of people left, the state would probably try to somehow limit those leaving.
Originally posted by: senseamp
You are too full of yourself. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You are too full of yourself. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
So as I understand it, your favorite type of person is someone who is A. productive and B. willing to sacrifice 50%+ of the fruits of their labor for the state.
There are plenty of them around, I am not one of them, however.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You are too full of yourself. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
So as I understand it, your favorite type of person is someone who is A. productive and B. willing to sacrifice 50%+ of the fruits of their labor for the state.
There are plenty of them around, I am not one of them, however.
Yes, I am my favorite type of person Adios and Selam Aleikum to you.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: senseamp
You are too full of yourself. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
So as I understand it, your favorite type of person is someone who is A. productive and B. willing to sacrifice 50%+ of the fruits of their labor for the state.
There are plenty of them around, I am not one of them, however.
Yes, I am my favorite type of person Adios and Selam Aleikum to you.
Enjoy your plantation. I say that with sincerity. For some people their childhood is the happiest time of their life. Now as an adult you can fully relive those days, for the rest of your life.
Originally posted by: senseamp
You know why people still want to live in California with all our high taxes and cost of living? Because it's worth it. Money is not everything, the best things in life are free, and there are just more of those best things in life here in CA. Just went for a gorgeous morning run in an open space preserve (Yep, liberals here keep developers out of huge tracts of extremely valuable land so we can run, bike, and hike it). I wouldn't trade that for anything.
You could pay me double in Dubai and tax me half, I still wouldn't move there. It's like Vegas, fun place to visit, but don't confuse your perception as a tourist with reality of living there. For your good, I recommend you seek inner happiness instead of focusing on your take home pay too much. More money won't make you happy.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You don't reject evil 100%, you just think you do because you don't realize the implications of your daily actions. You said you wanted to pack up and move away because of how evil things are here, well then you're just allowing evil to flourish instead of trying to stop it. It's also evil to stand idly by and allow things you think are so wrong to continue.
I can't convince people like you that the state is evil. I can't even convince my own parents. Why would I try to fight a battle that is ideologically un-winnable? I'm going to sacrifice my life and income for nothing? I have a limited number of years to live my life, as everyone else.
You have obviously mistaken a pragmatic and realistic assessment of the pros and cons of our current system of government as something very different then it is.
No, actually, I came to the realization that the current system of government is literally just a different form of fiefdom from the Middle Ages. No one has ever been able to prove otherwise. The best answer that I get is that fiefdoms are comfortable places to live.
This is not possible to argue with you, because all you have is vague ideology, anecdotal evidence, and suspect 'facts'. I know that you're not going to change your mind, because honestly all I could provide you with would be facts that I think dispute your assertions... and I sincerely doubt that your opinion was reached by judicious study anyway so it would be pointless. This is the sort of conversation you would have your sophmore year of college at 2 in the morning... and I'm neither 20 nor high enough to have it.
Regardless of arguments, you and rainsford still have to tell me how you justify sending money to murderers, torturers and rapists. Explain this to me, and maybe the argument can continue.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Because the world isn't a 100% perfect place, nor will it ever be. I'm sure I indirectly fund far worse then that. You also send money to murderers, torturers, and rapists every time you fill up your car or use oil based products. Any attempt by you to discount your own culpability in some degree of evil (reject evil 100%?) is just because you are drawing an arbitrary distinction below which a certain level it no longer counts as supporting evil.
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: SniperWulf
Originally posted by: Shivetya
I just want to see the justifications these tax the rich twits have for TAKING BY FORCE over FIVE HUNDRED HOURS of my labor per year (actually that probably is low balling it)
What is the justification for you take the work I do and giving the proceeds to others? What is the justification for so taking so much from me?
I'm in the same boat as you... almost 1/3 of my gross income is eaten up in taxes.... would i like to pay less? Of course I would, who wouldn't? But do you see me bitching, moaning and thinking people are "lower" than me just because i make a good living? Guys like you that think the world owes you are the ones that make this country look like greedy money grubbing pigs to the rest of the world
He thinks the world owes him because he wants to keep more of HIS money that HE earned?
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They have managed to piss you guys off quite a bit considering they don't have enough votes to do sh!t.
They dont piss me off...they crack me up lol I laugh every time I hear about what else they havent done. It's not that they dont have the votes to do sh1t, they dont have the intelligence or the spine to do it lol. It's like a room full of monkeys
Are you disputing that they don't have enough votes to do sh!t?
It doesnt take a 2/3 majority to pass a bill. They havent passed ANYTHING substantial.
They havent done sh1t. It's funny
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Because the world isn't a 100% perfect place, nor will it ever be. I'm sure I indirectly fund far worse then that. You also send money to murderers, torturers, and rapists every time you fill up your car or use oil based products. Any attempt by you to discount your own culpability in some degree of evil (reject evil 100%?) is just because you are drawing an arbitrary distinction below which a certain level it no longer counts as supporting evil.
I would only be funding such activities if a state was receiving the funds, which I am sure they are. But the state is the very thing I am arguing against. We can at least start with the direct funding of states by withholding taxes.