So will there be a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight?

[QueBert]

manny vs mayweather I ... manny by decision ... on the second time around, mayweather wins decisively.

btw, are there any clips on mayweather's fight, I want to see some of his clips and witness the greatness. I did watch manny's fight vs cotto and was impressed.

His fight with Marquez was worth looking up, he toyed with him for 12 rounds and only lost 1 on the cards - it might have been 2. This was a boxer than Manny had trouble with twice, and would have trouble with a 3rd time if they fought again. I'm sure the Vegas odd makers will have Manny as a big underdog, so if you really believe he can pull off the upset go to Vegas and put money down. you will win big. Mannys best weapon is his insane speed, but Mayweather's faster. Cotto lost because he lacks speed, imagine Cottos power + Mannys speed and you have Prettyboy. Also check out Floyds fight again Jab Judah, Jab is a top 5 fighter . Was a great fight from both, I think Judah is another guy who could give Manny problem due to his speed + power.

 

[Shlong]

is my sarcasm meter broke?? Floyd just demolished Marquez, a guy who was robbed of a win the first time he fought Manny, and the 2nd time it was very close. Mayweather didn't give him a single round, Manny squeaked by both times to beat him. Manny's best opponent was DLH, but it was basically a fight DHL only took for the money. He was far past his prime and knew he was going to lose. In his prime DHL beats Manny without much effort. Floyd has more fights, and has beaten better fighters. Who's Manny fought that's better than Floyds opponents? Manny hasn't even fought Judah, Gatti, Castillo. He Looking at Mannys record and who he's faced your statement make zero sense. Cotto is a legit win, and many of his others are too, but Mayweather has the better boxing resume hands down. DHL has faced the best of the 3, but he lost to the best he fought in Mosley & Hopkins.

People can hate Floyd all they want, he purposely tries to get people to hate him. But he's better than Manny on every level. While Manny could beat him, it would be a punchers chance. Mayweather is the best boxer of the last 20 years, sans maybe Roy Jones Jr. It's doubtful we'll ever see anyone as good as him, Manny's great but he isn't on Prettyboy's level. Manny also has loses where Floyd doesn't. And Manny's loses aren't like DHL where he lost to a super elite fighter like Mosley or Hopkins.

Mayweather isn't scared of anyone, he just wants the most money he can get. Manny won't beat him unless a miracle happens. The fight will go the distance with Prettyboy winning 9-10 of 12 rounds and never being in danger. If anyone here is scared it would be Manny, not saying he is. But I know he knows Mayweather is bigger, stronger and even faster. What tools does he have left? He has heart but heart won't win a fight against someone who has everything you got.

On the same token, DLH gave Mayweather all he could handle before he went away from the jab while Pac destroyed DLH. Hatton went almost the full distance with Mayweather while Pac destroyed Hatton. Styles makes fights, and I think the unorthodox punching angles that Pac presents along with his speed and power will give Mayweather all he can handle.

 

[QueBert]

FWIW, JL Castillo the guy who knocked down Mayweather and many thought beat Mayweather was the sparring partner of Manny for the Cotto fight. Castillo said that Pac WAS FASTER and HITS HARDER than Mayweather. He has such an unorthodox style hitting you from all angles that it'll give anyone trouble. I don't think Mayweather can hurt Pac, while Pac can hurt Mayweather. Mayweather will just run, use his reach advantage and try to win on the score card but I can see Pac just trying to rush in and try to trade with him.

Many people hate Floyd, that explains why they felt he lost. He fought Castillo twice and both times had a unanimous decision in his favor. Fights weren't very close IMHO, definitely not close enough for a split decision. And let's examine something else, Castillo who trains with Manny & is probably butt hurt Floyd beat his twice says Manny's better? Who would have thunk it? I've never heard training partners tell the honest truth about who they train with. I mean hell Forrest Griffins training partners said was going to out-strike Silva and look how that turned out. I wouldn't expect Castillo to say "yeah, Mayweather is better"

I'd be more partial to believe somebody who doesn't have an obvious bias. But that's just me

On the same token, DLH gave Mayweather all he could handle before he went away from the jab while Pac destroyed DLH. Hatton went almost the full distance with Mayweather while Pac destroyed Hatton. Styles makes fights, and I think the unorthodox punching angles that Pac presents along with his speed and power will give Mayweather all he can handle.

I'll give you the DHL fight, but Mayweather isn't a fighter who ties to KO people, he likes to put on a show and pick dudes apart. Also he's known for having fragile hands so if he was constantly go for the KO every fight, he would be on the sidelines with broken hands a lot. Mayweather destroyed Hatten too, every round was a slaughter. That's the way he fights.

 

[dbk]

Who's ducking whom? /nuff said

 

[Miramonti]

Both fighters have a tremendous amount to lose...and gain.

 

[endervalentine]

Many people hate Floyd, that explains why they felt he lost. He fought Castillo twice and both times had a unanimous decision in his favor. Fights weren't very close IMHO, definitely not close enough for a split decision. And let's examine something else, Castillo who trains with Manny & is probably butt hurt Floyd beat his twice says Manny's better? Who would have thunk it? I've never heard training partners tell the honest truth about who they train with. I mean hell Forrest Griffins training partners said was going to out-strike Silva and look how that turned out. I wouldn't expect Castillo to say "yeah, Mayweather is better"

I'd be more partial to believe somebody who doesn't have an obvious bias. But that's just me



I'll give you the DHL fight, but Mayweather isn't a fighter who ties to KO people, he likes to put on a show and pick dudes apart. Also he's known for having fragile hands so if he was constantly go for the KO every fight, he would be on the sidelines with broken hands a lot. Mayweather destroyed Hatten too, every round was a slaughter. That's the way he fights.

I'm no boxing expert or anything but one thing I noticed is Mayweather has really defense. When people throwing their fury of punches he just leans back and tilts his shoulder outwards ... people just ends up punching his shoulder, and he just waits for the right time to counter. It's very efficient, he wastes very little energy avoid punches and it gives him a big opening for a counter. Given that and his extra reach, I'm giving the big advantage to Mayweather.

 

[SKORPI0]

-----------------TALE OF THE TAPE-----------

---------------Pacquiao ------- Mayweather

Height:----------- 5'6"----------- 5'7 3/4"
Reach:------------ 67"------------72"
Neck: ------------ 16"------------16 1/2"
Chest (Normal):- 38"----------- 38 1/2"
Biceps: ----------- 13"---------- 12 1/2"
Forearms: --------12" ---------- 11"
Wrists:------------- 8" ---------- 7"
Fist: -------------- 10"----------- 8"
Waist:------------- 28"---------- 31"
Thigh:------------- 20"---------- 22"
Calves: ------------15"---------- 15"


Looks like Mayweather Jr. has the height & reach advantage.

 

[Six]

manny vs mayweather I ... manny by decision ... on the second time around, mayweather wins decisively.

btw, are there any clips on mayweather's fight, I want to see some of his clips and witness the greatness. I did watch manny's fight vs cotto and was impressed.

Unless you're really into boxing, you'll be bored watching mayweather "fight." He's good, but his fight are frustrating to even me as the viewer.

 

[Josh]

Mayweather is, by far, the smartest boxer alive. He would win that fight by defense/countering as he always does.

 

[dbk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQAS2JdHOg8
at least manny has a movie career to fall back on

 

[Miramonti]

Pacquiao-Cotto tops Mayweather in PPV

The Top Rank-promoted fight generated 1.25 million buys and $70 million in domestic pay-per-view revenue, HBO announced Friday. If historical trends hold, the numbers will increase when all of the buys are officially audited.

Are you kidding me? If that's what Pac got, a 2-3 fight series between Pac and Mayweather will destoy previous sales records.

 

[torpid]

Judah and Gatti aren't worth name-dropping. I always felt both of them were vastly overrated. Pacman and Mayweather have both had some impressive wins even without those scrubs. I don't think either of them could be said to have not fought anyone good.

This would be a good fight. I guess Mayweather vs Anderson Silva will have to wait.

 

[QueBert]

Judah and Gatti aren't worth name-dropping. I always felt both of them were vastly overrated. Pacman and Mayweather have both had some impressive wins even without those scrubs. I don't think either of them could be said to have not fought anyone good.

This would be a good fight. I guess Mayweather vs Anderson Silva will have to wait.

Silva wants to fight Roy Jones Jr, I think that idiot Nick Diaz wants to fight Mayweather. Any MMA guy who wants to fight a pro boxer has screws lose in their head. As good at MMA as Anderson is, RJJ would send him back to Brazil crying.

 

[KingGheedora]

Who knows. Hard to say who would win.

Pac
Fast, faster feet, faster in and out movement, throws more combinations, faster, and at more angles. I think his brain functions on a different level than everyone else because he can land 2-3 punches before opponents can even react to the first one. Relentless, powerful. Doesn't have the best defense, but his style is well suited for beating Floyd. Floyd has great defense but he can't avoid all the punches from someone that fast who throws that much volume. Another advantage is that Pac's trainer is Roach, who will analyze the shit out of Floyd and come up with a realistic game plan for beating Floyd.

Floyd
Fast, smart, good defense, good counter puncher. Smart enough not to try to exchange with Pacquiao, and fast enough and skilled enough to catch Pacquiao coming in. Question is, will his one or two punch counters and potshotting be enough to hold Pacquiao off? Good pure boxing skills, and will likely run a lot, keep turning Pac. Might not come into the ring with a solid gameplan and that might make the difference in this fight.

Pac vs. Floyd
Hard to say. Floyd definitely has the tools to hit a lefty like Manny, and is versatile unlike the recent fighters Pac has built his mega-star reputation on (Hatton & Cotto). But there were two fights that Floyd didn't look good in that he won : DelaHoya, and Castillo. Manny doesn't have the best defense so Floyd will be able to capitalize on that.

Manny will be able to flurry Floyd, finding openings in his defense at times. His speed will allow him to land combinations on Floyd which no fighters have been able to previously do. I can see Manny's camp planning to use a more counter-counter-punching strategy against Floyd.

Either way it will be an exciting fight ad I hope it happens. Any combination of Floyd, Pacquiao, and the Berto/Mosley winner would be awesome. I think Berto is coming up too fast and might be getting some unnecessary losses by stepping up to the elite fighters so suddenly. Definitely has a chance to beat Mosley though.

 

[James3shin]

Floyd has a tremendous reach advantage and faster hand speed. The only way Manny wins is if he stays patient and if Floyd's jabs have no effect.

All the talk about Manny punching from awkward angles is moot when it comes to Floyd. As a counter puncher, Floyd doesn't care where the opponents hands are coming from, he's just itching for you to wind up and open up your face. Floyd has so much hand speed and reach, on top of his boxing IQ. Also, the strategy of throwing multiple punches at Floyd has been done to death with nothing to show for it. The way to beat Floyd is to make him impatient and start coming after you. Watch the first 4 rounds of Zab vs Floyd, Zab waited Floyd out and turned the tables.

This is going to be a easy fight for Floyd if Manny can not endure those dagger pointed jabs. At the end of the Cotto fight, Manny admitted to "measuring" Cotto's power in the first round by eating a few jabs to see if they were going to be trouble - no trouble at all.

Floyd dismantled Juan Manuel, Oscar, and Hatton. Manny obliterated Oscar and Hatton but had a lot of trouble with Juan Manuel. However, I'm not one to use past opponents as a barometer of future fights because fighters change and develop new skill sets i.e. Manny has picked up a solid right hand.

Floyd and Manny will fight this coming spring and Floyd will win by unanimous decision - 9 rounds to Floyd, 3 rounds to Manny.

 

[James3shin]

But there were two fights that Floyd didn't look good in that he won : DelaHoya, and Castillo.

Floyd outclassed Oscar. The judge that gave Oscar the nod 115-113 was watching another fight. Floyd did have trouble with Castillo, his hands were injured if I remember correctly. Floyd now wears Grants/Winning gloves over the Reyes.

 

[Miramonti]

Half way there...

The proposed super fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather is getting closer.

Mayweather agreed to terms for the welterweight title bout on Tuesday, multiple sources with knowledge of the negotiations told ESPN.com.

The proposed date is March 13, although there is a chance it could move to May 1, sources said. Mayweather, according to a source close to him, is OK with either date.

Pacquiao and Mayweather have fought recent bouts at catch weights. However if they complete their deal, the bout would be contested at 147 pounds, the maximum for a welterweight fight, a source said.

Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs), was flying to the Philippines on Tuesday night to meet with Pacquiao and try to close his side of the deal.

Arum spent much of Tuesday getting open issues resolved in his negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who represents Mayweather, sources said. Once Arum was able to do that, he left for the Philippines and is expected back on Monday.

If the HBO PPV fight happens on March 13, it would force the tentative HBO PPV fight between light heavyweights Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins to move to another date. Hopkins and Jones both fight Wednesday and must win for their fight to go through.

The site for Pacquiao-Mayweather remains up in the air. There is interest from Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to bring the fight to his new stadium. There is also interest from venues in Las Vegas, including the MGM Grand (which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather fights), and the Superdome in New Orleans in hosting a fight many believe will break the all-time record for pay-per-view buys, which is the 2.44 million units sold for Mayweather's 2007 split decision victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

The fight moved front and center with heavy public demand for it following Pacquiao's dominant 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto to win a welterweight title on Nov. 14. The victory gave Pacquiao a title in a record-breaking seventh weight division and 1.25 million pay-per-view units.

Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs), who has won titles in five divisions, came out of a brief retirement in September to dominate Juan Manuel Marquez in a fight that generated 1.05 million buys.

Just a few days after Pacquiao's win over Cotto, Arum and Schaefer began negotiations.

One wrench in the talks was the date. Arum, Schaefer and HBO wanted to slot the fight on May 1. However, Pacquiao announced his candidacy for a congressional seat in the Philippines on Tuesday. With the election scheduled for May 10, it rules out a May 1 fight unless Pacquiao runs unopposed. Pacquiao lost the election for a congressional seat in 2007.

If Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't finalized, Arum has talked about matching Pacquiao with junior middleweight titlist Yuri Foreman, which would give Pacquiao an opportunity to win a title in an eighth division. Foreman defeated Daniel Santos to win a 154-pound belt on the Pacquiao-Cotto undercard.

Schaefer has talked about bringing Mayweather to England to match him with Matthew Hatton in the event Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't made. Hatton is the brother of Ricky Hatton, the former junior welterweight and welterweight titlist whom Mayweather knocked out in 2007.

 

[classy]

Has anyone been following this story. Pacman won't do random drug testing Olympic style. I like both guys, really do, but if a guy is truly clean he should have no issue with any kind of drug testing. Its kind of funny, Mayweather agrees to paying millions if he is overweight, but Manny won't agree to stringent drug testing. I would have never thought I would use high road and Floyd in the same sentence. But Floyd wants to take the high road to silence any doubts and Manny wants to take the back alley.

 

[da loser]

Has anyone been following this story. Pacman won't do random drug testing Olympic style. I like both guys, really do, but if a guy is truly clean he should have no issue with any kind of drug testing. Its kind of funny, Mayweather agrees to paying millions if he is overweight, but Manny won't agree to stringent drug testing. I would have never thought I would use high road and Floyd in the same sentence. But Floyd wants to take the high road to silence any doubts and Manny wants to take the back alley.

"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."

sounds like mayweather just wants to get in manny's head

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

This is part of the reason I don't watch boxing. The top guys are just a couple of chicken shits that would rather fight lower tier guys and increase their bank accounts.

 

[classy]

"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."

sounds like mayweather just wants to get in manny's head

He can't be too freaked out. Manny has tattoos

 

[slayer202]

"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."

sounds like mayweather just wants to get in manny's head

I agree that either mayweather is just trying to throw manny off, or he is scared to fight. either way he needs to knock it off eventually so the fight can take place. why go olympic style testing if they never usually do that? playing games...

 

[Zebo]

Hell no Mayweather is scared.

 

[KingGheedora]

I don't think Manny's taking anything, and I still like him as a fighter, but the "my fighter is Filipino and therefore superstitious" argument is stupid. Elite Olympic athletes (incl. boxers) undergo the same, and so would Floyd. Sounds like they are just trying to play mind games.

Also don't you lose credibility by trying to go for the same testing used by MLB and NFL?

I know Floyd is a total dick and is usually the loudmouthed public asshole who says things that don't make sense, but in this case he'd be completely in the right to stick with the original testing requirements he set.

 

[marrr]

looks like the fight is dead.
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/Promoter-Pacquiao-Mayweather-dead-122409