SO you think Apple sucks?

[theblackbox]

I hear over and over that apple sucks, but nobody ever has a good reason. Well, if you got a good reason, here you go....tell us about it.

I do ask for proof. If you are going to use the "overpriced" route, please be sure to back it up with a price comparison that can back it up. If you are going to just say because they do, well, obviously, you fail.

You are welcome to use the "you can't play games on an apple" and that is fine. apple users know this, and we also know that windows is for playing games. it excels at it, there is no argument if you want to play games, use windows.

Oh, and if you want to talk about their advertising, please spare me and include equal time to the whole Mojave commercial blitz.

I would love to hear why, and see some actual reasons to back it up.

My only gripe with apple right now is the use of glossy screens on the new macbook pro, the matte screen was the best thing apple ever did, and the inclusion of the nvidia 9400/9600 in the mbp. they could have gone with a better gpu. i obviously don't hae them or think they suck for that decision, i jus don't agree with it.

But please, feel free to explain to me why apple sucks if you feel they do.

 

[olds]

It sucks. I prefer grapes. Or maybe mangos.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
It sucks. I prefer grapes. Or maybe mangos.

i like grapes too, but apples offer so much variety, and you can do so much with them. apple pie owns grape pie.

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
It sucks. I prefer grapes. Or maybe mangos.

I can't never so no to apple pies myself. I bought a box of mangoes from Costco a couple of weeks back, good stuff.

 

[theblackbox]

now apple juice sucks. i especially hate the juices that are 100% juice, but use apple and pear, and really don't taste like whatever juice they are supposed to be.

mangoes are hard to find out here.

 

[JJChicken]

okay apples suck because 90% of programs don't run on them. there i said it. ipods on the other hand are teh win.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
okay apples suck because 90% of programs don't run on them. there i said it. ipods on the other hand are teh win.

okay.

fallacy.
my apple can run 100% of all software on the market that can be run in OSX, Windows, Linux or other operating systems. If you can run it on your windows or linux pc, so can i.

While the old argument when apple used powerpc about not being able to use all the software was valid, it falls short today. the main difference is that while i can easily run everything, if a windows pc user wanted to use apple software or software designed for OS X they would have to scramble to make a hackintosh or buy and apple. seems like your argument is in reverse now.

in the old days, the argument was fair, but to the point if you went into a computer store, why would you want to run 90% of the available windows software. while both platforms have good products, there are more then a handful of bad and poor products on both sides of the fence, there are a lot more on the windows side though due to the size of the market.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Here's how it breaks down.

Ipod is the best invention ever made and I'll gladly pay whatever they want because I'm a huge fanboy.
Itunes is a flaming piece of shit (for windows at least)
Apple Cinema displays are pure sex, but overpriced compared to comparable displays.
Apple computers/notebooks are idiotic unless you have some specific piece of software that is Mac only. Why would anyone would chose to buy a Mac that's much more expensive than a comparably spec'd Windows based PC just to have the pleasure of not being able to run any popular software (without emulation) is beyond me.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Here's how it breaks down.

Ipod is the best invention ever made and I'll gladly pay whatever they want because I'm a huge fanboy.
Itunes is a flaming piece of shit (for windows at least)
Apple Cinema displays are pure sex, but overpriced compared to comparable displays.
Apple computers/notebooks are idiotic unless you have some specific piece of software that is Mac only. Why would anyone would chose to buy a Mac that's much more expensive than a comparably spec'd Windows based PC just to have the pleasure of not being able to run any popular software (without emulation) is beyond me.

ok, so you want to use the overpriced argument, cool. show me where the Mac Pro as a workstation costs more then any competitor. Dell, HP, other manufacturers. The dell precision costs almost 1.5 times as much as the mac pro with the same components. dell.

Running vista 64 natively on a mac pro is not emulation. i am not talking about using a virtual machine, i'm talking running windows natively on apple hardware.

No argument about the displays, although i think they are outdated. there are so many more better choices with newer technology, but they look nice.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Here's how it breaks down.

Ipod is the best invention ever made and I'll gladly pay whatever they want because I'm a huge fanboy.
Itunes is a flaming piece of shit (for windows at least)
Apple Cinema displays are pure sex, but overpriced compared to comparable displays.
Apple computers/notebooks are idiotic unless you have some specific piece of software that is Mac only. Why would anyone would chose to buy a Mac that's much more expensive than a comparably spec'd Windows based PC just to have the pleasure of not being able to run any popular software (without emulation) is beyond me.

ok, so you want to use the overpriced argument, cool. show me where the Mac Pro as a workstation costs more then any competitor. Dell, HP, other manufacturers. The dell precision costs almost 1.5 times as much as the mac pro with the same components. dell.

Running vista 64 natively on a mac pro is not emulation. i am not talking about using a virtual machine, i'm talking running windows natively on apple hardware.

No argument about the displays, although i think they are outdated. there are so many more better choices with newer technology, but they look nice.

I won't argue about the Mac Pro. It's really an outstanding value for the specs. I know for a fact that Dell couldn't touch it for that price. However, you're cherry picking a bit by pointing out the one gem in Apple's lineup

Be honest, can't I buy a Dell that would smoke an iMac for far less? How about a Dell that's a way better performer than a Macbook for far less?

And back to the Mac Pro for a minute, who in the hell needs Dual Xeon Quads? Honestly. There aren't a lot of programs out there that can utilize 4 cores let alone 8. Apple's can probably afford to offer that system for that price because not to many people order them. You're looking at a very small segment of Apple's market here. I could be wrong but I'm thinking that's likely.

 

[geno]

I hate their snobby marketing and their overpriced computers. I love being able to do on a PC what a Mac can do for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Acanthus]

Apple sucks because they sell mediocre products at premium prices.

Being a "bang for your buck" shopper i find apple to be frivilous.

Itunes is overall a slow and resource hungry media player... 128 bitrates... also screw AAC vs MP3...

There are better alternatives to ipods.

I dont want to run more than one operating system to run my software.

I will never spend $1200 a year for a phone plan. So the iPhone is again over the top for me.

There are people who will waste fantastic amounts of money to have "toys" and apple is good at filling the yuppie nitch. It's not for everyone. I am not one of those people.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
okay apples suck because 90% of programs don't run on them. there i said it. ipods on the other hand are teh win.

okay.

fallacy.
my apple can run 100% of all software on the market that can be run in OSX, Windows, Linux or other operating systems. If you can run it on your windows or linux pc, so can i.

While the old argument when apple used powerpc about not being able to use all the software was valid, it falls short today. the main difference is that while i can easily run everything, if a windows pc user wanted to use apple software or software designed for OS X they would have to scramble to make a hackintosh or buy and apple. seems like your argument is in reverse now.

in the old days, the argument was fair, but to the point if you went into a computer store, why would you want to run 90% of the available windows software. while both platforms have good products, there are more then a handful of bad and poor products on both sides of the fence, there are a lot more on the windows side though due to the size of the market.

I guess you have a point on the bootcamp bit. I was talking more from the point that OSX can't run most of the software I would want to use. And windows on a Mac is pretty inferior IMHO as Macs have terrible keyboards and mice.

 

[takeru]

the only reason to buy a mac is for osx. apple is pushing osx as the reason for buying a mac, not really hardware specs. if you build one yourself with equal specs to a mac, you get much higher grade hardware, and it'll be a lot cheaper. yes, i think macs are cheaply built. they are nothing but eye candy. the mac workstations in my workplace have 10x more problems than our dell workstations, and i am talking mostly hardware related, not user error. we had a mac pro die within a month of use. needed total replacement, mac genius's could fix it. if i remember correctly, osx originally was a universal os, that they crippled to run only on mac hardware. osx is just a custom version of freebsd, and if you really like it for the interface, you can make any linux distro look the same with the right addons. its as its said above, but i'll say it a little different. the only reason to have osx is only if you need to use osx specific programs. i have 4 desktop systems in front of me. xp, vista, ubuntu, and leopard. all have their faults and good points.

in short, macs suck since they are tailored for osx usage, since there is no other real reason to buy a mac system really. for looks? get a lian li case then.

and btw, "apple tax" is stupid.

 

[txrandom]

The biggest thing I dislike about Apple is all the people who say "Photoshop and all that runs so much better on Mac!!!" Also, MacBook users are trendier and get all the girls while I don't.

 

[DayLaPaul]

One of the deal breakers when I chose my laptop was the 1 button mouse. I'm too used to doing mouse gestures in Firefox/Opera that I can't sacrifice my right click. Although I do like the 2 finger scrolling, it's still not as efficient as having 2 mouse buttons. Apple seems too stubborn/arrogant to ever change that.

A Macbook Pro with a large trackpad, 2 finger scrolling and 2 mouse buttons would be the best laptop on the market - especially if they can sell them in the $1500 range. You can get an identically spec'd Dell M1330/M1530 for over $1000 less than the Macbook Pro if you wait around for a nice coupon.

 

[0roo0roo]

steve jobs is the secret god of Scientology.

 

[IronWing]

Apple sucks because I keep getting popup windows asking if I'd like to upgrade Safari and some other piece of Apple software I don't have loaded on my PC. I get this because I have iTunes. Apple also sucks because every time I open Quicktime I get a popup asking me if I'd like to upgrade Quicktime to the latest, greatest version. If I say yes, I get taken to the Apple website where I'm told I already have the greatest, latest version but that Steve Jobs will kick Baby Jesus in the halo if I don't buy the pro version today.

 

[finite automaton]

A few years ago my argument would have been that they can't play the games that I want, but now that you can run Windows on them, that argument is no longer valid.

For me it ultimately comes down to tweakability. I have a 1.8Ghz Dual Core Opteron running at 2.85Ghz, my video card is overclocked, my memory is overclocked, my FSB is overclocked... I think you get the point. I will be this way with every machine I build in the future, no doubt. It's in my blood. Because of this, I will likely never buy a mac for my own personal use. However, I do not have any issues with macs. My best friend of 18 years uses a mac and does everything I can, including the same video games.

 

[clarkey01]

You seem like the type of person who derives one's sense of self worth by adopting a elitist attitude.
People like you have to find a way to, in their own minds, rise above the rest of the masses. Knowing the "secret handshake", parroting the obscure, and braying against the commonplace is how you sustain your ego.

We windows users can go out assembling the whole PC on our chosen hardware. We decide what to use and how we run it.
We can hand pick our own cpu, video card, memory, mother board, hard drive, monitor and so on while at affordable price.
Do you have that kinda freedom with Macs? You know why we are able to?
Because Windows is designed to be an open platform running on a variety of hardware rather than a limited
/ closed system locked down by a control freak (Steve Jobs).


I don't want to be the one that says you can buy 2 PCs for your one Mac and be able to have a new machine every 3 years for a total of 6 years of usage for the ONE Mac you paid wayyyyy too much money for to the almighty Jobs,
but that is your money to spend and I don't care if Apple takes your cash for an overpriced piece of machinery. If you want to really make a fine line about what you can do for the buck, Apple is hosed compared to Windows.
Lets look at the typical user who does email, web, IM, maybe gaming (oh wait, serious gamers know the top games are not made for Macs) and lets see, again, pay 2x as much for a Mac. They both do the same (besides photoshop,
the PC arguable does more) so who is the wise consumer?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i don't like osx. windows xp pwns the hell out of osx imo.

 

[preslove]

I bought a first revision MacBook 26 months ago and loved it... for 1 year and change. Then the piece of shit started falling apart. First, it started to develop a screen flicker. Then the battery went to shit, to the point now where it gets 20 minutes or so of power off of a charge (yes, I calibrated the battery). Then it started to lose wireless signal (it now has to be within 15 feet of a normal wireless router, where all my other computers work at 4 or 5 times that distance). And finally, the magsafe power connector started getting distressed at the point where it connected to the MacBook, getting so bad that it stopped charging the POS laptop. Turns out? It is a very common problem

And you know what really pisses me off? Whenever I complain about it to a stupid apple funfuck, like the idiot OP, they always have a stupid response: You should have gotten applecare. Here's a clue, you fucking idiots, the fact that fans of a product have a common understanding that it is a REALLY good idea to buy an expensive 3 year warranty is tacit admission that the quality of the product is terrible. I've never heard a fan of another company say "dude, make sure to get a 3 year warranty."

I gave my mom my old Dell laptop, which is 5 years old. It still has good wireless strength, gets over an hour of battery life, and runs about as well as the macbook.

Dude, I should have gotten another Dell

FUCK apple.

 

[Kaido]

Things I hate about Apple:

1. Apple Elite Fanboyism: Talking to a hardcore Mac nerd is worse than talking to a Linux fanboy. Nothing is good about Windows or any other operating system and only OS X has relevance in their minds. I love OS X and Apple hardware, but it's not the only game in town with good features. Mac snobs really turn me off.

2. Reality Distortion Field: I love getting sucked into Apple's fun marketing, but the truth is there is a deep, dark Reality Distortion Field. The latest 10.5.6 update seems to have more problems than XP SP1 did - bluescreens included. Despite the much-touted hardware designs, the last-generation aluminum Macbook Pros scratched and dented like nobody's business. Any problems that get reported on the Apple Forums and grow into a huge thread are deleted. The MobileMe rollout was a disaster. The truth is, their harware and software has just as many problems and issues as everyone else, but because people love Apple they forgive them. Like the one guy said in that Mac user video they made - love the products and the community, not the company. Apple doesn't care about you; it's all just clever marketing.

3. Marketshare: I've heard it said that Steve Jobs would rather have all of a small pie than a piece of a bigger pie, and it seems to be true. The Mac Mini should be $299 or $399 and the Macbook Air should be $799. The Macbook should be $999 and the 15" Macbook Pro should be $1299 or $1499. Instead of making their products realistically affordable to the perceived affordability pricepoints of the masses, they choose to remain in the "elite" category and thus only capture 10% of the marketshare. They did it with their iPhone - dropped it from $600 to $199, and now I see them everywhere. If they'd do it with their computers, they'd get a lot more business. imo they're still missing a Shuttle-sized computer that has room for 2 or 3 drives. They tout the Time Machine backup feature in the Leopard operating system, and yet only the $2,800 Mac Pro has room for a backup drive inside of it. That seems stupid. They tout editing HD video and doing tons of photos, but you're stuck with whatever hard drive you get inside your iMac or Mac Mini instead of having a scratch drive for storage and a Time Machine drive for backups.

With that said, I am a HUGE Apple fanboy, in the sense that I like their products but do not revere the company as a do-no-wrong kind of business. I do enjoy their marketing and the fun atmosphere they have fostered. I don't enjoy the attitude that a segment of the Mac owner popular has in terms of being super awesome perfect computers - I do like OS X more than Windows, but I still have a Windows Media Center and use Windows for gaming. I don't understand why Apple doesn't give their users what they want, like a 12" Macbook Pro. Meh, anyway, it's their company and they can do what they want.

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
I hear over and over that apple sucks, but nobody ever has a good reason. Well, if you got a good reason, here you go....tell us about it.

I do ask for proof. If you are going to use the "overpriced" route, please be sure to back it up with a price comparison that can back it up. If you are going to just say because they do, well, obviously, you fail.

You are welcome to use the "you can't play games on an apple" and that is fine. apple users know this, and we also know that windows is for playing games. it excels at it, there is no argument if you want to play games, use windows.

Oh, and if you want to talk about their advertising, please spare me and include equal time to the whole Mojave commercial blitz.

I would love to hear why, and see some actual reasons to back it up.

My only gripe with apple right now is the use of glossy screens on the new macbook pro, the matte screen was the best thing apple ever did, and the inclusion of the nvidia 9400/9600 in the mbp. they could have gone with a better gpu. i obviously don't hae them or think they suck for that decision, i jus don't agree with it.

But please, feel free to explain to me why apple sucks if you feel they do.

I love the glossy screens all new laptops have, much better than the old matte screens and easier to keep clean too..

 

[villageidiot111]

I have never seen a mac run a game well, even on comparable hardware. Sure, they may be able to run starcraft, but if you throw any one of today's top fps games on a mac and it will probably explode.