SO you think Apple sucks?

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

I just browed the iTunes store, typed in 1Up and got a bunch of podcasts I can download. But with the cost thing, it's always been interesting that people who buy a $200-300 MP3 player won't pay $10 to increase the functionality of it. Especially since it's fixing all of the issues you're complaining about.

You're missing the point that charging for firmware updates is nothing more than nickle-and-diming your customers, and is not standard in the industry.

It sucks.

DING! Imagine if motherboard vendors started charging for BIOS updates. It's more or less the same thing.

 

[RGN]

On the laptops, I like the fit and finish. They are quiet. They don't have a bunch of stupid buttons I don't use. They are thin. Most cheaper alternatives do not have all of the these qualities.

On OSX, and OS's in general. On Apple hardware you can run every program for OSX/Linux/Windows. Natively. Those that discount this are not true geeks. Who doesn't like the ultimate in program flexibility? For a long time one of the great benefits of OSX was that it could suspend and resume like clockwork, something XP just won't do consistently. Vista64 seems to have addressed that *finally*

On iTunes. This is one that really gets me going. Everyone rips on iTunes because it "sucks"
But I've yet to see another media manager that will do dynamic play lists that really works. I can report on when music was added, how many times I've played it and then create a play list based on those metrics and anything else in the tags. Couple that with the Airport express, I can direct music right into my home stereo without having to have a PC close by. As an added bonus, the iPhone (or touch) has complete control over the playing music anywhere in the house via wifi. With one click I can have the same play lists on my iphone and nano for the car or gym.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
okay apples suck because 90% of programs don't run on them. there i said it. ipods on the other hand are teh win.

okay.

fallacy.
my apple can run 100% of all software on the market that can be run in OSX, Windows, Linux or other operating systems. If you can run it on your windows or linux pc, so can i.

While the old argument when apple used powerpc about not being able to use all the software was valid, it falls short today. the main difference is that while i can easily run everything, if a windows pc user wanted to use apple software or software designed for OS X they would have to scramble to make a hackintosh or buy and apple. seems like your argument is in reverse now.

in the old days, the argument was fair, but to the point if you went into a computer store, why would you want to run 90% of the available windows software. while both platforms have good products, there are more then a handful of bad and poor products on both sides of the fence, there are a lot more on the windows side though due to the size of the market.

same as teh argument that all the apple users make that only creative work can be done on an apple. a much older fallacy that goes back well before Mac had worthwhile hardware (Intel). Adobe has been designing software for PC for more than a decade, and it has always run better on an out-of-the box PC. Why? b/c Apple trie to force down your throat this notion that 1/4 of the necessary memory is adequate for running Photoshop or Final Cut.

I've worked in several labs that use Macs, they have always crashed on me from G4 and up. Just got a new core2duo imac which looks nice enough, but I've always wondered why they try to put a laptop in desktop form. really strange.

Also, why the fuck don't the home and end keys work on the keyboard with web browsers and email software? why the fuck are they even on the keyboard if they don't work.

Jobs is a brilliant guy; but he's also a complete dick with a sub-normal sociopathic personality.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Apple sucks because I keep getting popup windows asking if I'd like to upgrade Safari and some other piece of Apple software I don't have loaded on my PC. I get this because I have iTunes. Apple also sucks because every time I open Quicktime I get a popup asking me if I'd like to upgrade Quicktime to the latest, greatest version. If I say yes, I get taken to the Apple website where I'm told I already have the greatest, latest version but that Steve Jobs will kick Baby Jesus in the halo if I don't buy the pro version today.

I refuse to load quicktime/iTunes onto my computer. same with Real. same damn viral software.

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Apple doesn't suck- they have cool and innovative ideas and products.

What does suck is their business model. They charge a premium, and then some on top of that, to make their products seem more elite than others. Since people have to put out so much to gain their experience, they tend to get a "I'm better than you because I paid more for an Apple product" attitude.

Apple also keep s a stranglehold on their products so they can only be used in a way they want them to be used. This idea is what nearly sunk the company in the 1990's, and is the main reason SONY is having problems right now.

So, it's not the company, it's their salesmanship, dictatorship, and a good portion of their customers that suck.

Couldn't have said it better, its this exact reason i have an aversion to Apple, more recently because of the need to have iTunes installed to access the songs on a friends iPod..
So controlling.. Whats the need? It just alienates knowledgable people and people who don't buy Apple products just to say they have an Apple product.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Kaido
Things I hate about Apple:

1. Apple Elite Fanboyism: Talking to a hardcore Mac nerd is worse than talking to a Linux fanboy. Nothing is good about Windows or any other operating system and only OS X has relevance in their minds. I love OS X and Apple hardware, but it's not the only game in town with good features. Mac snobs really turn me off.

2. Reality Distortion Field: I love getting sucked into Apple's fun marketing, but the truth is there is a deep, dark Reality Distortion Field. The latest 10.5.6 update seems to have more problems than XP SP1 did - bluescreens included. Despite the much-touted hardware designs, the last-generation aluminum Macbook Pros scratched and dented like nobody's business. Any problems that get reported on the Apple Forums and grow into a huge thread are deleted. The MobileMe rollout was a disaster. The truth is, their harware and software has just as many problems and issues as everyone else, but because people love Apple they forgive them. Like the one guy said in that Mac user video they made - love the products and the community, not the company. Apple doesn't care about you; it's all just clever marketing.

3. Marketshare: I've heard it said that Steve Jobs would rather have all of a small pie than a piece of a bigger pie, and it seems to be true. The Mac Mini should be $299 or $399 and the Macbook Air should be $799. The Macbook should be $999 and the 15" Macbook Pro should be $1299 or $1499. Instead of making their products realistically affordable to the perceived affordability pricepoints of the masses, they choose to remain in the "elite" category and thus only capture 10% of the marketshare. They did it with their iPhone - dropped it from $600 to $199, and now I see them everywhere. If they'd do it with their computers, they'd get a lot more business. imo they're still missing a Shuttle-sized computer that has room for 2 or 3 drives. They tout the Time Machine backup feature in the Leopard operating system, and yet only the $2,800 Mac Pro has room for a backup drive inside of it. That seems stupid. They tout editing HD video and doing tons of photos, but you're stuck with whatever hard drive you get inside your iMac or Mac Mini instead of having a scratch drive for storage and a Time Machine drive for backups.

With that said, I am a HUGE Apple fanboy, in the sense that I like their products but do not revere the company as a do-no-wrong kind of business. I do enjoy their marketing and the fun atmosphere they have fostered. I don't enjoy the attitude that a segment of the Mac owner popular has in terms of being super awesome perfect computers - I do like OS X more than Windows, but I still have a Windows Media Center and use Windows for gaming. I don't understand why Apple doesn't give their users what they want, like a 12" Macbook Pro. Meh, anyway, it's their company and they can do what they want.

While I think time machine is brilliant, I question what use it has on my brand new iMac at work...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Why even have this argument? Some people like Apple and most like PC. And no apple fanboi can deny it, building a PC adds tons more of flexibility than having an Apple, hands down. If you disagree you need to get your trendy head out of your ass.

I agree with this. That's why I will always build my desktops. But some people do not need this functionality. Some people here are fanbois of a different type, the "I can build my own computer and save TONZZ of moneyz doing it. Apple must suck then because I can build it cheaper than they can!" type.

But liking one thing over another is different than saying all things of xx type suck. To me it's a personal preference, and you have to weigh the options. But I'm sure if you want to keep arguing that Apples suck, I will have nothing to say that can convince you. You'll keep arguing the price, the flexibility.

That does not make you a fanbois, it makes you a PC saavy realist who places an importance on cost AND flexibility. It's not an arguement, it's fact. The bigger issue in this, which you fail to acknowledge, is that Apple keeps it that way by design. Why would anyone back a company that strives to give their customers less performance & options, for more $?

Go ahead, pay much more for a lower spec computer with a more limited range of applications, makes a ton of sense. I have never seen anyone come up with even ONE good reason to buy a Mac over a PC.

You can buy an MP4/MP5 player with far more functions, including radio, recorder, etc for half the price of an iPud. Paying for the name, just like those that only buy a Colt or Smith & Wesson when you can find a comparable weapon of equal quality for far less.

iphone will be replaced by google's offering, their OSS >>>>>> than paying for every single app among what Apple makes available.

Most ironic thing about this whole issue is the superiority complex their customers normally exude. They look like fools who don't know the value of a dollar, and never realize they are bragging about letting themselves get screwed lol...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Apple sucks because they sell mediocre products at premium prices.

Being a "bang for your buck" shopper i find apple to be frivilous.

Itunes is overall a slow and resource hungry media player... 128 bitrates... also screw AAC vs MP3...

There are better alternatives to ipods.

I dont want to run more than one operating system to run my software.

I will never spend $1200 a year for a phone plan. So the iPhone is again over the top for me.

There are people who will waste fantastic amounts of money to have "toys" and apple is good at filling the yuppie nitch. It's not for everyone. I am not one of those people.

Again, please play by the rules as laid out by the OP. Use proof. Show me your "mediocre product at a premium price"

and wtf are you talking about 128 bitrates? You can change settings in iTunes however tf you want. I rip all my CDs in 192 VBR MP3. What else is as complete as iTunes (ripping, playing mp3s, movies, podcasts, store, etc.)? Nothing.

What better alternatives are there to iPods? And what makes them better? If you have a statement, back it up with some proof.

And $1200 a year for a phone plan is pretty common for a lot of Blackberry's, etc, all of which don't necessarily do as much as the iPhone.

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
One of the deal breakers when I chose my laptop was the 1 button mouse. I'm too used to doing mouse gestures in Firefox/Opera that I can't sacrifice my right click. Although I do like the 2 finger scrolling, it's still not as efficient as having 2 mouse buttons. Apple seems too stubborn/arrogant to ever change that.

A Macbook Pro with a large trackpad, 2 finger scrolling and 2 mouse buttons would be the best laptop on the market - especially if they can sell them in the $1500 range. You can get an identically spec'd Dell M1330/M1530 for over $1000 less than the Macbook Pro if you wait around for a nice coupon.

New MB and MBP have the option to set your secondary click in the bottom right corner of the trackpad, just like your beloved 2 button mouse. All macs have has 2 finger scrolling for the past 10+ years.

but when setting up the "two button" option on the mac's one-button mouse, the scroll wheel suddenly becomes all dodgy, and i have found that distinguishing between left and right on that single massive button is a bit of a gray line for the mouse as well as the user.

It's an idea they adapted from PC, but it seems to me that the snobbery that comes with Apple allows them to not care so much about working out the bugs of what in their minds, is a clearly inferior function.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DomS

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Here's how it breaks down.

Ipod is the best invention ever made and I'll gladly pay whatever they want because I'm a huge fanboy.
Itunes is a flaming piece of shit (for windows at least)
Apple Cinema displays are pure sex, but overpriced compared to comparable displays.
Apple computers/notebooks are idiotic unless you have some specific piece of software that is Mac only. Why would anyone would chose to buy a Mac that's much more expensive than a comparably spec'd Windows based PC just to have the pleasure of not being able to run any popular software (without emulation) is beyond me.

Ipod wasn't apple's invention. There were plenty of mp3 players before that.

He didn't say they invented the MP3 player, he said they invented the iPod.

in which case they copyrighted the name, and patented the proprietary software. the technology was around before them, however.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: videogames101
$1200 for the mac that way, and If i had cut corners on my build I could have cut the price to that point, with the same core components. And so far as having the parts built into the monitor, I fail to see how having terrible airflow which reduces the ability of my components to perform is a "big draw".

Give me a sec, I'll go configure a prebuilt.

SFF PCs exist for a reason, even if you don't have a use for them. You built your PC in a full tower case, so obviously you're not part of the iMac's target market.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: her209
Apples suck because they use Intel processors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r7glN_jMpM

Hypocrite much?

haha, it was a lie then, too

oh, and this is great. explains my work day perfectly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...1FT_yM&feature=related

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: videogames101
http://store.apple.com/us/conf...MB323LL/A?mco=NzMyNjMy

I configured that for 4GB memory and a 500GB HDD.

Cost? $1,524.00





Rig below, cost? ~1400$ when I built it, probably lower now.

It's outperforms the mac in every way, by a long shot. In every category, w/e test you want, my PC which is cheaper and will outperform the mac. I have a quad-core, a HD4870, which macs couldn't even dream of having until years after release, and a larger HDD.


/thread

Did you build it with everything built into the monitor? That's one big draw of the iMacs. Plus, If you're going to use the building argument, configure it with base stats and add the new memory and HDD yourself. Super easy to do, and nothing you wouldn't do while building your mac. Show me the price of something pre-built (i.e. not something you build yourself) and then we can talk.

the iMac is a laptop in desktop clothing. why would anyone conceive of comparing that to an actual desktop? the hardware specs are the exact same; otherwise that plastic box would melt.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
blackbox is obsessed with people not liking apple, OSX, or anything else that company comes out with. Don't really get it, but whatever. I think he has a crush on the trendy, "hip", guy from their borderline false advertising marketing campaigns.

I was just waiting for that guy to blow-up throughout Diehard 4. the movie failed in many ways...

 

[computeerrgghh]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Here's how it breaks down.

Ipod is the best invention ever made and I'll gladly pay whatever they want because I'm a huge fanboy.
Itunes is a flaming piece of shit (for windows at least)
Apple Cinema displays are pure sex, but overpriced compared to comparable displays.
Apple computers/notebooks are idiotic unless you have some specific piece of software that is Mac only. Why would anyone would chose to buy a Mac that's much more expensive than a comparably spec'd Windows based PC just to have the pleasure of not being able to run any popular software (without emulation) is beyond me.

ok, so you want to use the overpriced argument, cool. show me where the Mac Pro as a workstation costs more then any competitor. Dell, HP, other manufacturers. The dell precision costs almost 1.5 times as much as the mac pro with the same components. dell.

Running vista 64 natively on a mac pro is not emulation. i am not talking about using a virtual machine, i'm talking running windows natively on apple hardware.

No argument about the displays, although i think they are outdated. there are so many more better choices with newer technology, but they look nice.

Ok, I will play your game. The macbook pro 15" base model costs $1999. The Lenovo t500, similarly configured costs $1500. Both have switchable graphics, 2 gig ram, 250 gig hd, etc.

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
blackbox is obsessed with people not liking apple, OSX, or anything else that company comes out with. Don't really get it, but whatever. I think he has a crush on the trendy, "hip", guy from their borderline false advertising marketing campaigns.

I was just waiting for that guy to blow-up throughout Diehard 4. the movie failed in many ways...

:laugh: I wholeheartedly concur.

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: RGN


On the laptops, I like the fit and finish. They are quiet. They don't have a bunch of stupid buttons I don't use. They are thin. Most cheaper alternatives do not have all of the these qualities.

On OSX, and OS's in general. On Apple hardware you can run every program for OSX/Linux/Windows. Natively. Those that discount this are not true geeks. Who doesn't like the ultimate in program flexibility? For a long time one of the great benefits of OSX was that it could suspend and resume like clockwork, something XP just won't do consistently. Vista64 seems to have addressed that *finally*

On iTunes. This is one that really gets me going. Everyone rips on iTunes because it "sucks"
But I've yet to see another media manager that will do dynamic play lists that really works. I can report on when music was added, how many times I've played it and then create a play list based on those metrics and anything else in the tags. Couple that with the Airport express, I can direct music right into my home stereo without having to have a PC close by. As an added bonus, the iPhone (or touch) has complete control over the playing music anywhere in the house via wifi. With one click I can have the same play lists on my iphone and nano for the car or gym.

I'm not sure what you mean by dynamic playlists, but Winamp?

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Jahee

Originally posted by: RGN


On the laptops, I like the fit and finish. They are quiet. They don't have a bunch of stupid buttons I don't use. They are thin. Most cheaper alternatives do not have all of the these qualities.

On OSX, and OS's in general. On Apple hardware you can run every program for OSX/Linux/Windows. Natively. Those that discount this are not true geeks. Who doesn't like the ultimate in program flexibility? For a long time one of the great benefits of OSX was that it could suspend and resume like clockwork, something XP just won't do consistently. Vista64 seems to have addressed that *finally*

On iTunes. This is one that really gets me going. Everyone rips on iTunes because it "sucks"
But I've yet to see another media manager that will do dynamic play lists that really works. I can report on when music was added, how many times I've played it and then create a play list based on those metrics and anything else in the tags. Couple that with the Airport express, I can direct music right into my home stereo without having to have a PC close by. As an added bonus, the iPhone (or touch) has complete control over the playing music anywhere in the house via wifi. With one click I can have the same play lists on my iphone and nano for the car or gym.

I'm not sure what you mean by dynamic playlists, but Winamp?

This thread causes me testicular pain

 

[Anubis]

a big one that I didn?t see (only skimmed thread)

Customizable hardware:
Mac you are stuck with whatever they use, can?t build your own to save money/customize
PC can use everything, can build yourself to save money/customize

And when someone does fix OSX to work on more hardware apple sues them

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: marketsons1985

Originally posted by: her209
Apples suck because they use Intel processors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r7glN_jMpM

Hypocrite much?

Wow. Fail much? At least 15 year old commercial, not even bashing Intel chips, but the Pentium II in particular.

That was an example of Apple bashing of Intel. Think much?

Are you sure you know the definition of the word Hypocrite?

Do you?

wow, intel products got better, bfd.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Kaido
Things I hate about Apple:

1. Apple Elite Fanboyism: Talking to a hardcore Mac nerd is worse than talking to a Linux fanboy. Nothing is good about Windows or any other operating system and only OS X has relevance in their minds. I love OS X and Apple hardware, but it's not the only game in town with good features. Mac snobs really turn me off.

2. Reality Distortion Field: I love getting sucked into Apple's fun marketing, but the truth is there is a deep, dark Reality Distortion Field. The latest 10.5.6 update seems to have more problems than XP SP1 did - bluescreens included. Despite the much-touted hardware designs, the last-generation aluminum Macbook Pros scratched and dented like nobody's business. Any problems that get reported on the Apple Forums and grow into a huge thread are deleted. The MobileMe rollout was a disaster. The truth is, their harware and software has just as many problems and issues as everyone else, but because people love Apple they forgive them. Like the one guy said in that Mac user video they made - love the products and the community, not the company. Apple doesn't care about you; it's all just clever marketing.

3. Marketshare: I've heard it said that Steve Jobs would rather have all of a small pie than a piece of a bigger pie, and it seems to be true. The Mac Mini should be $299 or $399 and the Macbook Air should be $799. The Macbook should be $999 and the 15" Macbook Pro should be $1299 or $1499. Instead of making their products realistically affordable to the perceived affordability pricepoints of the masses, they choose to remain in the "elite" category and thus only capture 10% of the marketshare. They did it with their iPhone - dropped it from $600 to $199, and now I see them everywhere. If they'd do it with their computers, they'd get a lot more business. imo they're still missing a Shuttle-sized computer that has room for 2 or 3 drives. They tout the Time Machine backup feature in the Leopard operating system, and yet only the $2,800 Mac Pro has room for a backup drive inside of it. That seems stupid. They tout editing HD video and doing tons of photos, but you're stuck with whatever hard drive you get inside your iMac or Mac Mini instead of having a scratch drive for storage and a Time Machine drive for backups.

With that said, I am a HUGE Apple fanboy, in the sense that I like their products but do not revere the company as a do-no-wrong kind of business. I do enjoy their marketing and the fun atmosphere they have fostered. I don't enjoy the attitude that a segment of the Mac owner popular has in terms of being super awesome perfect computers - I do like OS X more than Windows, but I still have a Windows Media Center and use Windows for gaming. I don't understand why Apple doesn't give their users what they want, like a 12" Macbook Pro. Meh, anyway, it's their company and they can do what they want.

this. As I always point out, I got a MB and a PC, and I LOVE the MB for chilling on the sofa (sorry guys, MB trackpad = ridiculous), but I'd never think about actually doing WORK on the MB

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: videogames101
$1200 for the mac that way, and If i had cut corners on my build I could have cut the price to that point, with the same core components. And so far as having the parts built into the monitor, I fail to see how having terrible airflow which reduces the ability of my components to perform is a "big draw".

Give me a sec, I'll go configure a prebuilt.

SFF PCs exist for a reason, even if you don't have a use for them. You built your PC in a full tower case, so obviously you're not part of the iMac's target market.

The ignorant market?

Also, I didn't see a response to my $1000 pre-built PC post that pwnt the 20" mac.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Jahee

Originally posted by: RGN


On the laptops, I like the fit and finish. They are quiet. They don't have a bunch of stupid buttons I don't use. They are thin. Most cheaper alternatives do not have all of the these qualities.

On OSX, and OS's in general. On Apple hardware you can run every program for OSX/Linux/Windows. Natively. Those that discount this are not true geeks. Who doesn't like the ultimate in program flexibility? For a long time one of the great benefits of OSX was that it could suspend and resume like clockwork, something XP just won't do consistently. Vista64 seems to have addressed that *finally*

On iTunes. This is one that really gets me going. Everyone rips on iTunes because it "sucks"
But I've yet to see another media manager that will do dynamic play lists that really works. I can report on when music was added, how many times I've played it and then create a play list based on those metrics and anything else in the tags. Couple that with the Airport express, I can direct music right into my home stereo without having to have a PC close by. As an added bonus, the iPhone (or touch) has complete control over the playing music anywhere in the house via wifi. With one click I can have the same play lists on my iphone and nano for the car or gym.

I'm not sure what you mean by dynamic playlists, but Winamp?

They're called Smart Playlists. I haven't used Winamp in a long time, so I don't know if they added that feature. For example, I have a playlist that has every Metallica, AC/DC, and Ozzy/Black Sabbath song that I've rated 4 stars or higher. Any time I rate a song by one of those artists 4 stars or higher, it's automatically added to that playlist. I have that playlist synced with my iPhone, so any time I sync my iPhone it'll get any new songs that have been automatically added to that list.

Another nice feature of iTunes is its interoperability with other programs, another programmers' wet dream. In particular, the iPhone's Remote application is just awesome if you have a computer hooked up to a whole house speaker system.

 

[theblackbox]

fantastic, besides a few stupid remarks directed toward me and others, this is what i wanted to see, and i'm getting a better idea now of reasons people either say apple sucks or they hate apple.

i can concede some points. i won't argue that you can go out and get a similarly equipped laptop cheaper from dell or someone else when you compare the macbook and the macbook pro these days. I won't argue that. i have never been a fan of the macbook, and i'm losing my want for a new macbook pro because i don't think the new body and design and what you get is worth it. getting rid of the matte screen IMO is on of apples biggest mistakes.
I can't stand the apple keyboard or mouse. You feel stupid typing on the little tic-tic board with it's white keys. The mighty mouse was made for someone with small hands. Great thing is though, they have good resale value and other people want them for some reason. my 5 button logitech gaming mouse works just fine and does a great job on both sides.

I dislike the iphone. don't have one, wouldn't get one. one, i'm not a fan of the at&t network. i use verizon. i need to tether when i am on the road, and i need a fast solution. i use a windows mobile phone, and tether with usb or bluetooth. the iphone, while nifty, to me doesn't serve a purpose. I have so many firends that preach the i hate apple and would never buy apple but use an iphone and an ipod.

the ipod, i have an ipod touch. while i don't like the iphone, i bought a touch so i could play with the technology. sure the touch cost more, but i like the touch screen and he added features and it's fun.

to me, the imac is an enigma. i've always wandered why apple doesn't offer a mid range desktop, with expandability. Last night as i was reading posts and thinking about it, it hit me and made sense. The imac is the consumer offering as a whole system for the casual user, the mac pro for the professional that needs workstation power. they don't have a mid priced tower because OS X doesn't fit in that niche. I think apple realizes that market is occupied by gamers and enthusiasts that would raher build their own pc and not buy a box already together. Plus, within the apple user base, there is a gap.
everyday users aren't gonna pay for more then a base imac, and people that need a mac for proffesional use aren't going to step down to the imac.
the advertising:
i can't stand it, but then again i can't stand any advertising. advertising in general annoys me, and i try not to watch regular tv or fast oward through most of it when i can. The advertising comes off as elitist, and yes, if you talk to some mac users, they are very elitist. but that is also a stereotype. the elitist attitude is from the older days when apple users thought their powerpc machines were faster, smarter, etc. i personally don't see that attitude as much these days.
trendy? perhaps. but as seen in oher posts, people buy things to be trendy. watches, cars, clothes. the list goes on. I don't drink coffee, hang out at places that offer wifi and type on my mbp, i don't even take it out in public. i know some people buy mac lapops because of the supposed cool thing, but i don't get it, or care for it. just like people that buy other things that are ostentatious just to have it because it makes them look cool. whats the difference between someone doing that and someone buying a bmw and posting pics all over the web with themselves standing in front of it. no difference. own it, use it, good. show it off, you look like a fool.

I have built and used pc's forever, dating back to the timex sinclair. I have built and done every type of rig, from dual voodoo equipped boxes to small form factor sli in moderm rigs, and have fallen to the upgrade bug for years, always replacing video cards, cpus and ram trying to make it faster and do more wih it. i'm no apple fanboy by a longshot. i gladly use windows, and i even preach the versatility and my happiness with vista 64.
I also use OSX on the professional side. While everyone extolls the greatness of the variety of windows software, i haven't found an audio package as capable as Logic. I know pro tools 8 just came out, and it has big jumps in it's interface and what it does, but it still falls behind (in my opinion and use), and even though avid is a great editing package, final cut when used with cinema tools, motion, and shake is hard to beat, even though apple has fell behind in updating it.

I think it comes down to how society is these days. It's like politics and everything else, people seem to have a strong opinion about hings that don't affect them. You hear the word hate a lot, and strong opinions about stuff that really shouldn't matter. reading through some of the posts, i can see how relative that is, and i makes me wonder why people are that way. I hate this actor, i hate this, i hate that. Where years ago people were indifferent, now it's like there is no gray, it's all black and white.

I'm never gonna say apple is perfect, or osx is perfect, i know it's not. osx locks up on me occasionaly, as does windows, thats the nature of computing. thats the way of life. but i'm not gonna sit here and say i hate windows because i use a mac, or i hate mac because i use windows. i use both, and i am happy, and i will go on using both.
i will support both companies, because i think we need both. when windows 7 comes out, i'll buy a license.

the last thing i want to add, is that i saw a lot of people saying you can buy or build this for less, and for the price you pay for the windows license you could this or that...
well, believe it or not, some people own their own businesses and purchases aren't always out of pocket. between FA and expenses, there are tax write-offs involved. when you use a computer and it provides money, you stop looking at the cost and start looking at the productivity. Thats the main difference between a game machine, and a workstation.

there is a difference btween made by apple and designed by apple. you rarely hear people say Asus sucks, but if you take an asus product and put an apple logo on it, all of a sudden it sucks, go figure.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
I hear over and over that apple sucks, but nobody ever has a good reason. Well, if you got a good reason, here you go....tell us about it.

I do ask for proof. If you are going to use the "overpriced" route, please be sure to back it up with a price comparison that can back it up. If you are going to just say because they do, well, obviously, you fail.

You are welcome to use the "you can't play games on an apple" and that is fine. apple users know this, and we also know that windows is for playing games. it excels at it, there is no argument if you want to play games, use windows.

Oh, and if you want to talk about their advertising, please spare me and include equal time to the whole Mojave commercial blitz.

I would love to hear why, and see some actual reasons to back it up.

My only gripe with apple right now is the use of glossy screens on the new macbook pro, the matte screen was the best thing apple ever did, and the inclusion of the nvidia 9400/9600 in the mbp. they could have gone with a better gpu. i obviously don't hae them or think they suck for that decision, i jus don't agree with it.

But please, feel free to explain to me why apple sucks if you feel they do.

So from the sounds of it you have heard several perfectly acceptable reasons to not like apple, but like most other apple users (not all) you're so stuck up your own ass about the company that you just brush these reasons off. That's my biggest problem is that you pompous sons of bitches won't leave us alone about it. If we don't like apple products, we don't like apple products. I shouldn't have to explain to the legions of the Steve Jobbs army why I don't like apple computers. Leave me, and the rest of us, the fuck alone. If I KNOW you're an apple user without even seeing you working on your apple that means you decided to mention it out of context, and THAT'S the reason everybody hates you.

Many apple users are annoying, plain and simple. It's threads like this that make me want to punch a lot of you apple users right in the fucking face. Get off you high horse about it, because the truth is nobody gives a fuck what computer you use. Congratulations, you're a Steve Jobs tool, now kindly leave it alone and let us all live in peace.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: videogames101
$1200 for the mac that way, and If i had cut corners on my build I could have cut the price to that point, with the same core components. And so far as having the parts built into the monitor, I fail to see how having terrible airflow which reduces the ability of my components to perform is a "big draw".

Give me a sec, I'll go configure a prebuilt.

SFF PCs exist for a reason, even if you don't have a use for them. You built your PC in a full tower case, so obviously you're not part of the iMac's target market.

The ignorant market?

Also, I didn't see a response to my $1000 pre-built PC post that pwnt the 20" mac.

Who the hell is CyberPower, and why are you still comparing a mid tower to a SFF?

I agree that Apple computers are expensive. I only addressed the bolded comment. It's obvious that you don't understand that most people aren't PC gamers and thus don't have the same needs as you.