So you think the other camp didn't play dirty?

5150Joker

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As many of you know, a certain owner of a popular 3D site always evangelized an IHV's hardware and seemingly always had inside information about their products. Eventually his role as owner of the website and chief advocate of that IHV earned him a place in it's marketing department.

I believe this is the website where the entire sordid affair of an IHV's viral marketing practices were first exposed to the online community--now we have some insight as to how this particular website owner learned of it's existence. According to John Reynolds, an ex-moderator, the site's owner actively perused people's private messages to ascertain their role as viral marketers and he then used that information against them publicly to the benefit of his preferred IHV and now employer. I don't know about the rest of you but I find the latter just as much if not more appalling than what happened with the viral marketing ordeal and the conduct of some if it's members. It shows this person (and perhaps the IHV) had no ethical boundaries and did anything he (or they) could to dig up dirt on the rival IHV's activities and it also exposes his hypocrisy as well as the company that now employs him. As a supporter of that IHV and this individual, I feel used and disgusted by his behavior.

Here's an excerpt from John's site:

The owner approached me in the fall of '05 with evidence of a secret marketing group that consisted of several forum members from his website. He'd learned of its existence by reading through the personal messages of forum members and had confirmed its existence through other sources in the industry. I've always despised dishonest marketing techniques, and while I have nothing against focus groups in particular, the secretive nature of this group's existence compelled me to greenlight another forum member's (now a staff member) request to take the info public. The result was quite a soap opera-ish episode in online drama, with fans of both major IHVs taking stands for or against the use of such 'viral' marketing efforts. And in the end, I'm not so certain any real change occurred since I believe the IHV's focus group still exists, though I'm of course far more comfortable with its existence falling within the domain of public awareness.

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Matt2

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People who think that whole mess was one sided are sorley mistaken.

I feel sorry for everyone who got hung out to dry while the "other camp" gets away scott free and almost no one questions it.
 

Munky

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I'm not going to mention names, but that was low and dirty, if true. Sort of like a 'big brother' kind of thing, makes you wonder where else is this happening. No respect for privacy at all...:roll:
 

Kromis

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Big Brother is watching you!

Damn, I want to see V for Vendetta!
 

Gstanfor

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
As many of you know, a certain owner of a popular 3D site always evangelized an IHV's hardware and seemingly always had inside information about their products. Eventually his role as owner of the website and chief advocate of that IHV earned him a place in it's marketing department.

I believe this is the website where the entire sordid affair of an IHV's viral marketing practices were first exposed to the online community--now we have some insight as to how this particular website owner learned of it's existence. According to John Reynolds, an ex-moderator, the site's owner actively perused people's private messages to ascertain their role as viral marketers and he then used that information against them publicly to the benefit of his preferred IHV and now employer. I don't know about the rest of you but I find the latter just as much if not more appalling than what happened with the viral marketing ordeal and the conduct of some if it's members. It shows this person (and perhaps the IHV) had no ethical boundaries and did anything he (or they) could to dig up dirt on the rival IHV's activities and it also exposes his hypocrisy as well as the company that now employs him. As a supporter of that IHV and this individual, I feel used and disgusted by his behavior.

Here's an excerpt from John's site:

The owner approached me in the fall of '05 with evidence of a secret marketing group that consisted of several forum members from his website. He'd learned of its existence by reading through the personal messages of forum members and had confirmed its existence through other sources in the industry. I've always despised dishonest marketing techniques, and while I have nothing against focus groups in particular, the secretive nature of this group's existence compelled me to greenlight another forum member's (now a staff member) request to take the info public. The result was quite a soap opera-ish episode in online drama, with fans of both major IHVs taking stands for or against the use of such 'viral' marketing efforts. And in the end, I'm not so certain any real change occurred since I believe the IHV's focus group still exists, though I'm of course far more comfortable with its existence falling within the domain of public awareness.

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Finally the sordid truth about Beyond3D under Dave Baumann comes out and from someone people will have to believe whether they want to or not. Its not just "crazy old radar1399gs" off on an anti-Baumann rant now, is it?
 

Keysplayr

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How unbelievably thick can you be? There were reasons NOBODY with a brain was mentioning names. Did you think it slipped our attention who was being discussed here? You have all the tact of a sledgehammer in a reflex test.
 

Gstanfor

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
Baumann was a biased arsehole and deserves the negative publicity.
Oh the irony.

Anybody who ever supported Baumann or condoned his activities is every bit as bad and reprehensible as him in my eyes.

Never forget, the nvidia focus group was setup as a counter to the ATi focus group, already well established and with Baumann playing a leading role in the misinformation campaign.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Baumann was a biased arsehole and deserves the negative publicity.
Oh the irony.

Never forget, the nvidia focus group was setup as a counter to the ATi focus group, already well established and with Baumann playing a leading role in the misinformation campaign.


Evidence? Or are you making things up again.
 

Gstanfor

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Go read for yourself what the AEG members themselves said in Geo's thread. (why do you think that AEG focussed on B3D with the exception out Rollo's clumbsy attempts here?)
 

Gstanfor

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Because with the exception of Rollo, they are and always have been valuable contributors to the community that people haven't been able to discredit despite their best efforts.
 

Cookie Monster

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Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Because with the exception of Rollo, they are and always have been valuable contributors to the community that people haven't been able to discredit despite their best efforts.

I actually agree with this.

Chris Ray, in particular i believe contribute to the community more than anyone here in this thread combined. There (chalnoth, ailuros, etc) knowledge should be well respected and in the end they are trying to help us all enjoy our experiences with 3d hardware.
 

BFG10K

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Never forget, the nvidia focus group was setup as a counter to the ATi focus group, already well established and with Baumann playing a leading role in the misinformation campaign.
And where exactly do you fit into all this, "Mr Neutral"? :roll:
 

Gstanfor

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
Never forget, the nvidia focus group was setup as a counter to the ATi focus group, already well established and with Baumann playing a leading role in the misinformation campaign.
And where exactly do you fit into all this, "Mr Neutral"? :roll:

Other than battling Dave on his own turf on issues that interested me at the time, I've had no involvement in any of this.

As a former signature of mine here stated my opinions are my own and mine alone. I'm beholden to no-one.
 

yacoub

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Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Never forget, the nvidia focus group was setup as a counter to the ATi focus group, already well established and with Baumann playing a leading role in the misinformation campaign.
And where exactly do you fit into all this, "Mr Neutral"? :roll:

Other than battling Dave on his own turf on issues that interested me at the time, I've had no involvement in any of this.

As a former signature of mine here stated my opinions are my own and mine alone. I'm beholden to no-one.

so you're kinda like a mercenary-for-hire version. hehe
 
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