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Jhhnn

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Decent people? All I see is a bunch of tribes that will butcher the other if they can get the power. Hell they are doing it now. I am certainly not going to pretend surprise about the utter brutality of the people we are backing should they gain power or the inevitable genocide that will follow against the defeated. I do not support this action and if ISIS is defeated I certainly will not support an action against the islamist group that replaces it.





http://www.salon.com/2016/07/11/u_s..._abductions_imposing_harsh_sharia_law_report/

Please. Your attributions of bloodthirstyness are scurrilous. There are perhaps 100K Daesh in Syria & Iraq, a very small % of the population. Many of them are foreigners, as well. Millions have fled the fighting.
 
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bshole

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Please. Your attributions of bloodthirstyness are scurrilous. There are perhaps 100K Daesh in Syria & Iraq, a very small % of the population. Many of them are foreigners, as well. Millions have fled the fighting.

They were not assigned by me. They were objective observations of Amnesty International. According to THEM, the people in Syria getting money from the American government are engaged in atrocities against civilians. This is eerily similar to when we invaded Iraq. The UN inspectors told us there were no WMD and we simply refused to believe them. For me, Amnesty International is the GOLD standard for organizations. There is no organization that I know of that is better (though some are just as good). If they state facts, I believe them. Do you believe Amnesty International is being dishonest? If so, why do you think they are lying? What independent sources do you have that they are lying?
 

Perknose

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No surprise as Oliver is one of the most partisan talk show hosts for hillary out there.
Here's a surprise for you. John Oliver is not a talk show host and his show is not a fucking talk show. It's absolutely deplorable that you don't know that.
 

MongGrel

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And Oliver is a shill for Time Warner. Guess who owns Hillary? Time Warner. #4 on her 2008 donor list. No surprise as Oliver is one of the most partisan talk show hosts for hillary out there.
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=2008

You should stick to squats and not bother posting in P&N.

Your obviously not well suited to operate here without even a clue about world affairs in general.

You spend 20% of your energy on Politics my ass
 
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Sunburn74

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And Oliver is a shill for Time Warner. Guess who owns Hillary? Time Warner. #4 on her 2008 donor list. No surprise as Oliver is one of the most partisan talk show hosts for hillary out there.
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=2008

You realize
1) hillary was the front runner for the presidency amongst all both GOP and democratic candidates at the primary level greater than a year ago as assessed by international gambling sites (US betting on elections is illegal, but even Vegas odds makers had her being the front runner)
2) she has the endorsement of almost every major newspaper in the country, including several which haven't endorsed a democrat for decades
3) She has the endorsement of several prominent former republicans, including the last GOP president
4) She has the endorsement of her entire party without qualification, including the current president

Guys its not a conspiracy here. You may not like her, but its not a conspiracy that she is supported by a lot of people.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Here's a surprise for you. John Oliver is not a talk show host and his show is not a fucking talk show. It's absolutely deplorable that you don't know that.

So what is it? Is there an official genre for a show where a guy talks for twenty minutes, but not with another person? Wikipedia calls his show a talk show, and he has won or been nominated for several awards in the talk show category.
 

Perknose

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So what is it?
Good question, but despite what the guy who penned that part of Wikipedia wrote, calling it a talk show is entirely misleading. Does anyone here really disagree that a talk show is a show with a host who brings on guests, either singly or sometimes in a panel, and, ummmm, TALKS with them? That is manifestly not what John Oliver does! :colberticonfuckinghere:

Is there an official genre for a show where a guy talks for twenty minutes, but not with another person?

Award shows (Oliver has well deserved and won several) do need to get up to speed. Is there an official genre for Speedy here in P&N? He's not really a troll, even though he often seems like one, as I do believe his intent is to present his particular political view/enthusiasms. Is he a low information idiot? Again, his posts often portray him like one to folks like me who believe his views to be shallowly presented idiocy but . . . no, again, not exactly, right?

So, as with John Oliver, no "official genre" that fully fits. Categories are reductive abstractions of the analog continuums of "reality" anyway.

If pressed, I would say that what John Oliver does on his show is muckraking investigative advocacy/editorial polemic journalism presented in a decidedly comedic, high entertainment value format, not unlike the movie The Big Short. Now, those here who reflexively don't like my views/political slant or what they might view as John Oliver's views/political slant without ever having seen his show might immediately jump on my use of the word "journalism." Hence my long adjectival parade I use to precede that word above.

And . . . for those who have never seen his show, allow me to quote this part of the Wiki you referenced:

Oliver's comedic commentary has been credited with helping influence US legislation, regulations, court rulings, and other aspects of US culture; this influence has been dubbed "The John Oliver Effect."[54][55] This came from the show's fifth episode, which dealt with net neutrality, a subject that had previously been considered obscure and technical.[56]Oliver documented problems attributed to internet service providers and argued that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) could resolve these concerns with upcoming changes to internet regulation. Oliver then encouraged viewers to submit public comments through the FCC's website. The FCC's website promptly crashed.[57] Internal FCC emails revealed the clip was being watched inside the agency.[58] FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler publicly addressed the video.[59] The FCC was flooded with 3.7 million comments on the subject, by far the most for any issue in the agency's history.[60] Reporters detected a shift in the FCC's stance: Before Oliver's segment, The New York Times described an FCC proposal that would leave net neutrality "all but dead,"[61] but the paper later said that chairman Wheeler showed "a steady shift toward stronger regulation."[62] Ultimately, the FCC enacted robust net neutrality rules that classified broadband internet service as a public utility.[63] Oliver was credited with transforming the net neutrality debate.[56] The official YouTube video of his net neutrality segment has been viewed over 12 million times as of October 2016.[64]

A Ninth Circuit Court judge cited a Last Week Tonight segment about the lesser constitutional rights of residents of US territories in a ruling in favor of the residents ofGuam.[65][66][67] Members of Congress credited Oliver with helping win a vote to enforce protections for chicken farmers who speak out about industry practices after a Last Week Tonight segment aired on the subject.[68][69][70] A Washington, D.C. council member proposed a resolution in Oliver's honor after he aired a segment on the district's struggle to attain statehood.[71][72]

Oliver maintains that he is not a journalist,[73] but reporters have argued that his show does engage in journalism.[74][75][76] The Peabody Awards honored Oliver, saying his program engages in "investigative reports that 'real' news programs would do well to emulate."[77] One example of Oliver's investigative work is a segment on The Miss AmericaOrganization, which bills itself as "the world's largest provider of scholarships for women."[78] Oliver's team, which includes four researchers with journalism backgrounds,[79]collected and analyzed the organization's state and federal tax forms to find that the organization's scholarship program only distributes a small fraction of its claimed "$45 million made available annually."[80] Oliver said that at the national level, the Miss America Organization and Miss America Foundation together spent only $482,000 in cash scholarships in 2012.[78] Oliver found that at the state level, The Miss Alabama Pageant claimed that it had provided $2,592,000 in scholarships to Troy University despite not actually distributing any such scholarships.[81] The pageant appeared to multiply the value of a single available scholarship by the number of contestants theoretically eligible for it, while using the term "provided" in a way that did not mean "distributed." The official YouTube video of Oliver's Miss America segment has been viewed more than 13 million times.[82] TheSociety of Women Engineers said Oliver's mention of their scholarship in his story led to $25,000 in donations in the first two days after the episode.[83]

Oliver has also founded and legally incorporated a church, Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption, to demonstrate how easy it is to qualify as a church and receive tax exempt status in the United States.[84][85] The church was created in conjunction with a segment on televangelists who have tax-free mansions and private jets funded by millions of dollars in donations, which are sent in the belief that money given to televangelists can result in God rewarding donors with money, blessings, and cured diseases.[86][87] The next week, Oliver showed off the large quantity of unsolicited donations mailed to him.[88][89] The church's website stated that donations would go to Doctors Without Borders upon the church's dissolution.[90]

TMI in that quote for your busy, important life, Mr. ADHD reader (not pointed at you, Mr. H. Burger)? Well, then here is what John Oliver does, boiled down to just a little over one minute at the end of a nearly 20 minute, well researched and well presented "polemic", for your listening pleasure:


Finally, for those who have never seen his show yet nevertheless wish to dismiss it's robust, factually supported value . . . if you are willing to entertain the heresy that you may just be wrong about him, I present a few clips of what this estimable Brit does for our national political/social discourse, on topics I feel we ALL should know more about and better address:

The Opiod Addiction Crisis: https://youtu.be/5pdPrQFjo2o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U2eDJnwz_s (Predatory Auto Lending Practices)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_htSPGAY7I (Charter schools)

Prisons
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY

(For some formatting reason, Xemforo wouldn't take my link insertion above.)

I could go on and on (and I have.)

But I will stop here, because, as I have come to learn, "You can lead a horse's ass to "water", but you can't make him think."
 
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HamburgerBoy

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Yes, I know you love his meaty Anglo taint. That's well and good. I'm sure to you he transcends humanity itself, but none of what you said runs contrary to him running a talk show. The best, most important, most influential, most inducing-of-homoerotic-fantasies talk show, sure, but your initial claim wasn't that he did not only run a talk show. It was that he did not run one. "X is not Y because X is Z" is babby's first logical fallacy.

I've watched several episodes of his, and I believe the prison episode was among those. He has his moments, and is better than Jon Stewart or Bill Maher at least. I would never watch an episode of his and walk away thinking "I'm sure that was the full story of that given topic and do not need to perform any further research".
 

amenx

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If Joe Exotic had media backing and big buck donors, he would probably siphon away a big chunk of Trump supporters.
 

blankslate

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Guys its not a conspiracy here.

It's not a conspiracy...

It's merely a sad commentary on the state of American politics that she's the democratic nominee

It's an extremely sad (understatement to be sure) commentary on the republican party that Trump is their nominee


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