Originally posted by: Howard
Why the hell would you use antibacterial body wash?
Originally posted by: Howard
Why the hell would you use antibacterial body wash?
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Antibacterial soaps can help create strong bugs that are resistant to germicides.
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Antibacterial soaps can help create strong bugs that are resistant to germicides.
Antibacterial != antibiotic
Triclosan is an antiseptic frequently added to items as diverse as soaps, lotions, toothpaste, and many commonly used household fabrics and plastics. Although wild-type Pseudomonas aeruginosa expresses the triclosan target enoyl-acyl carrier protein reductase, it is triclosan resistant due to expression of the MexAB-OprM efflux system. Exposure of a susceptible Delta (mexAB-oprM) strain to triclosan selected multidrug-resistant bacteria at high frequencies. These bacteria hyperexpressed the MexCD-OprJ efflux system due to mutations in its regulatory gene, nfxB. The MICs of several drugs for these mutants were increased up to 500-fold, including the MIC of ciprofloxacin, which was increased 94-fold. Whereas the MexEF-OprN efflux system also participated in triclosan efflux, this antimicrobial was not a substrate for MexXY-OprM.
Originally posted by: loki8481
body wash + loofa.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Antibacterial soaps can help create strong bugs that are resistant to germicides.
Antibacterial != antibiotic
Triclosan is an antiseptic frequently added to items as diverse as soaps, lotions, toothpaste, and many commonly used household fabrics and plastics. Although wild-type Pseudomonas aeruginosa expresses the triclosan target enoyl-acyl carrier protein reductase, it is triclosan resistant due to expression of the MexAB-OprM efflux system. Exposure of a susceptible Delta (mexAB-oprM) strain to triclosan selected multidrug-resistant bacteria at high frequencies. These bacteria hyperexpressed the MexCD-OprJ efflux system due to mutations in its regulatory gene, nfxB. The MICs of several drugs for these mutants were increased up to 500-fold, including the MIC of ciprofloxacin, which was increased 94-fold. Whereas the MexEF-OprN efflux system also participated in triclosan efflux, this antimicrobial was not a substrate for MexXY-OprM.
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/full/45/2/428
Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Originally posted by: loki8481
body wash + loofa.
I'd make a joke about you being gay, but you actually are gay... dangit.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Antibacterial soaps can help create strong bugs that are resistant to germicides.
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I like body wash, specifically Dial Antibacterial All Day Protection.
Good stuff. Keeps me from stinking all day. I use a scrub brush and a healthy glob. Even at that one bottle lasts me three months. Much better deal than the bar, which seems to disappear inside a week for some reason.
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Antibacterial soaps can help create strong bugs that are resistant to germicides.
Idiots spreading their pseudo-understanding of medicine, evolution/adaptation, and bacteria.
Let me put it this way. We use certain antibiotics on animals and livestock in particular because they aren't approved for human use and any resistant strain would therefore have developed a resistance to a drug that we can't use anyway. Now, consider that "anti-bacterial" DOES NOT EQUAL "antibiotic" and you might start seeing where the big difference is. Tryclosan resistance resulting from the use of a product ONLY makes the products that use it ineffective. NOTHING ELSE. Saying that we shouldn't use it because they may become resistant to it is circular reasoning. It doesn't make them deadly and it doesn't reduce the effectiveness of ANY antibiotic. People like to think that they are smart because they saw this coming with their mistaken association between "antibiotic" and "anti-bacterial." I asked the "doesn't it breed super-bugs?" question when I was 17, over 11 years ago, and came to the right answer BEFORE spreading such nonsense and BEFORE "scary" news programs picked up on it. Do the research and YOU CAN TOO!
They plant "seeds of logic" and let you run with it just because you've heard something similar from scientific sources. Don't trust the fear-mongering news. I've seen news programs say BS like "The most deadly spider in the world lives in your back yard and yet it isn't identified on the list of dangerous spiders in the area. What is it and why? The answer -after the break. ... What's the most deadly spider in the world? It's the Grand-daddy Long-Legs! [video of a Harvestman] It poses no threat to humans because its mouth-parts are too small to puncture human skin but experts say that the venom is stronger than any deadly spider known to man." :roll: Not only are they NOT "deadly," poisonous, or venomous, but they aren't even spiders! That's a fact I recognized in 2nd grade when the anatomy of arachnids, including spiders and insects were first spelled out to me (insects have three main body parts, two compound eyes, & six legs; spiders have two main body parts, eight simple eyes, & eight legs). Years later my 7 year old friend tried to tell me that Daddy Long-Legs were deadly spiders but they couldn't bite you (the first I had heard of it). I quickly told him that they weren't even spiders and he threatened to fight me because I was essentially calling his dad a liar. :roll:
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Antibacterial soaps can help create strong bugs that are resistant to germicides.
Idiots spreading their pseudo-understanding of medicine, evolution/adaptation, and bacteria.
Let me put it this way. We use certain antibiotics on animals and livestock in particular because they aren't approved for human use and any resistant strain would therefore have developed a resistance to a drug that we can't use anyway. Now, consider that "anti-bacterial" DOES NOT EQUAL "antibiotic" and you might start seeing where the big difference is. Tryclosan resistance resulting from the use of a product ONLY makes the products that use it ineffective. NOTHING ELSE. Saying that we shouldn't use it because they may become resistant to it is circular reasoning. It doesn't make them deadly and it doesn't reduce the effectiveness of ANY antibiotic. People like to think that they are smart because they saw this coming with their mistaken association between "antibiotic" and "anti-bacterial." I asked the "doesn't it breed super-bugs?" question when I was 17, over 11 years ago, and came to the right answer BEFORE spreading such nonsense and BEFORE "scary" news programs picked up on it. Do the research and YOU CAN TOO!
They plant "seeds of logic" and let you run with it just because you've heard something similar from scientific sources. Don't trust the fear-mongering news. I've seen news programs say BS like "The most deadly spider in the world lives in your back yard and yet it isn't identified on the list of dangerous spiders in the area. What is it and why? The answer -after the break. ... What's the most deadly spider in the world? It's the Grand-daddy Long-Legs! [video of a Harvestman] It poses no threat to humans because its mouth-parts are too small to puncture human skin but experts say that the venom is stronger than any deadly spider known to man." :roll: Not only are they NOT "deadly," poisonous, or venomous, but they aren't even spiders! That's a fact I recognized in 2nd grade when the anatomy of arachnids, including spiders and insects were first spelled out to me (insects have three main body parts, two compound eyes, & six legs; spiders have two main body parts, eight simple eyes, & eight legs). Years later my 7 year old friend tried to tell me that Daddy Long-Legs were deadly spiders but they couldn't bite you (the first I had heard of it). I quickly told him that they weren't even spiders and he threatened to fight me because I was essentially calling his dad a liar. :roll:
congratulations, I don't think you understand the argument either.