Socialist Group Fights for $20/hr minnimum wage! Advertises for $13/hr Web Developer.

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DCal430

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They feel that the legally mandated minimum wage should be $20.

Currently the legally mandated minimum wage is not $20.

So it isn't hypocritical.

All the people going on about it being hypocritical are using a fallacious argument anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Huh it is hypocritical of them, when they critize McDonalds for low wages and do the same.the

No one said their position was wrong because of their hypocrisy, you have made a straw man argument.
 

Abraxas

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You'd have to triple his IQ for it to be offensive. As things stand, it's merely expected and kind of sad.

If you tripled my IQ it would still be several times higher than yours and I still wouldn't care since neither one of you reads what you reply to; expected and sad as that is since by reading you risk learning and learning just isn't a conservative principle. Your feedback only matters when you demonstrate you can understand what is being said (which requires reading), and since, well, you clearly don't, you are dismissed, child.
 

Veliko

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Huh it is hypocritical of them, when they critize McDonalds for low wages and do the same.

Did they single McDonalds out exclusively? I'm guessing they didn't and just used them as an example in their campaign to raise the minimum wage.

So there isn't any hypocrisy.
 

Veliko

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They are preaching that the minimum wage should be raised to $20 an hour.

The minimum wage is not $20 an hour.

Erm, that's it.
 

Pipeline 1010

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They are preaching that the minimum wage should be raised to $20 an hour.

The minimum wage is not $20 an hour.

Erm, that's it.

Why are they preaching that it should be raised to $20/hr if they don't believe it is wrong to pay less than that? If they believe it is wrong to pay less than that, then why do they themselves try to do so? Erm, that's retard.
 

Veliko

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Why are they preaching that it should be raised to $20/hr if they don't believe it is wrong to pay less than that? If they believe it is wrong to pay less than that, then why do they themselves try to do so? Erm, that's retard.

A while ago Warren Buffet was saying that rich people should pay more in taxes. It is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more.

Stephen King has said similar in the past. Again, it is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more than he is legally supposed to.

It's the same for this socialist group. They campaigned to get the minimum wage raised to $20, but it doesn't make it hypocritical for them to pay less than that whilst the minimum wage is lower than $20.
 

Pipeline 1010

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A while ago Warren Buffet was saying that rich people should pay more in taxes. It is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more.

Yes, yes it is. It is exactly hypocritical. He just said that rich people should pay more in taxes. Then he decided not to pay more. If he said that he himself SHOULD pay more but then he doesn't, then how do you think that's not hypocrisy? He is not doing the thing that he believes people in his position SHOULD do. His excuse is: cuz THE LAW®

Stephen King has said similar in the past. Again, it is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more than he is legally supposed to.

Hypocrite: "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."

Something is hypocritical if you don't do what you say that other people should do. Because the law currently doesn't require you to do that thing doesn't make not doing the thing you preach to be non-hypocritical.

It's the same for this socialist group. They campaigned to get the minimum wage raised to $20, but it doesn't make it hypocritical for them to pay less than that whilst the minimum wage is lower than $20.

Yes. Yes it exactly makes them hypocritical. If you try to force other people who aren't you to pay more money for work, and then you personally try to pay less money than that, it exactly makes you a hypocrite.

If you say people "should" do something and then you do the very thing you "souldn't" do, then that is being a hypocrite.
 

Veliko

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Yes, yes it is. It is exactly hypocritical. He just said that rich people should pay more in taxes. Then he decided not to pay more. If he said that he himself SHOULD pay more but then he doesn't, then how do you think that's not hypocrisy? He is not doing the thing that he believes people in his position SHOULD do. His excuse is: cuz THE LAW®



Hypocrite: "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."

Something is hypocritical if you don't do what you say that other people should do. Because the law currently doesn't require you to do that thing doesn't make not doing the thing you preach to be non-hypocritical.



Yes. Yes it exactly makes them hypocritical. If you try to force other people who aren't you to pay more money for work, and then you personally try to pay less money than that, it exactly makes you a hypocrite.

If you say people "should" do something and then you do the very thing you "souldn't" do, then that is being a hypocrite.

Again, none of those are examples of hypocrisy.
 

Matt1970

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A while ago Warren Buffet was saying that rich people should pay more in taxes. It is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more.

Stephen King has said similar in the past. Again, it is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more than he is legally supposed to.

It's the same for this socialist group. They campaigned to get the minimum wage raised to $20, but it doesn't make it hypocritical for them to pay less than that whilst the minimum wage is lower than $20.

Actually, those could be used as examples of hypocrisy on Dictonary.com.
 

bshole

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when are you gonna apply? :awe:

You see that is just annoying. Seriously I was the only person to make an insightful comment that was relevant and it was completely ignored. IT IS A POLITICAL ADVOCACY GROUP for christ's sake. There should be no salary involved, people should be volunteering for love of the cause. It says more about Americans that they would demand money to support a righteous cause.
 

unokitty

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Socialist party defends paying $13 hour an hour while calling for much higher minimum wage
A leader of Seattle's Freedom Socialist Party is defending the group's search for a new web developer paying $13 an hour, even though it's fighting for a $20 minimum wage.

"Isn't it hypocritical?" KIRO Radio's Dori Monson asked Anne Gurry Hodderson, International Secretary for the group, in an interview Monday.

But Hodderson says the Socialist Party simply can't afford to pay more...

"We've worked for decades for the most exploited workers, and as you know their wages have fallen steadily and that makes it very difficult for us to pay out $20 an hour," she says...

"Workers create the profits, they create the wealth," she insists. "We deserve all of it..."
That is, unless you happen to be the Freedom Socialist Party's Web Developer.
In which case, you don't deserve 'all of it.'
You don't deserve $20/hr.
What you deserve is $13/hr.

Uno
 

smackababy

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I think some people in this thread don't understand what a hypocrite is. Practice what you preach.

If I were to claim we should ban all guns and then, in turn, own guns, saying "well, they aren't banned yet!" isn't a valid excuse for my hypocrisy.
 

Abraxas

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I think some people in this thread don't understand what a hypocrite is. Practice what you preach.

If I were to claim we should ban all guns and then, in turn, own guns, saying "well, they aren't banned yet!" isn't a valid excuse for my hypocrisy.

You apparently being one of them.

If they say, "we should ban all guns because having free access to guns creates a high probability of tragedy" and then they own a gun on the grounds that "while guns are still legal and readily accessible to lunatics, fanatics, and criminals, I need to be able to protect myself but as soon as guns are illegal and off the streets I will happily turn mine in because a systematic change has occurred that has made my current state of gun ownership untenable and unnecessary", that is not hypocrisy.

Likewise, since they would not themselves be exempt from their own proposed changed to law, accusing them of hypocrisy is off base.
 

OutHouse

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A while ago Warren Buffet was saying that rich people should pay more in taxes. It is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more.

Stephen King has said similar in the past. Again, it is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more than he is legally supposed to.

It's the same for this socialist group. They campaigned to get the minimum wage raised to $20, but it doesn't make it hypocritical for them to pay less than that whilst the minimum wage is lower than $20.


just stop posting. u r dumb.

 

OutHouse

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A while ago Warren Buffet was saying that rich people should pay more in taxes. It is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more.

Stephen King has said similar in the past. Again, it is not hypocritical if he personally doesn't decide to pay more than he is legally supposed to.

It's the same for this socialist group. They campaigned to get the minimum wage raised to $20, but it doesn't make it hypocritical for them to pay less than that whilst the minimum wage is lower than $20.

ok, i have to come back to this. So based upon this pile of doo you typed out, WHO EXACTLY WITHIN THE SOCIALIST GROUP DESERVES 20 BUCKS AN HOUR?

1. The leader?
2. the vice leaders?
3. everybody?
4. web code monkey?
 

trenchfoot

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WTF are you talking about. I am a big supporter of increased minimum wage but this group hypocrisy is extreme. Nothing the OP posted was wrong, this group demands $20 wages for McDonalds workers and does this is hypocrisy. You are blind if you can't see that.

We are obviously discussing two completely different topics here. Again, my concern was with the OP's obviously erroneous thread title whereby the OP, whether intentionally to make what resulted in a false claim or mistakenly out of coincidental oversight inferred that the organization was advertising for a web designer whose pay would be $13/hr when it was actually pay starting at $13/hr OR MORE depending on experience. I made no reference to the $20 minimum wage demand whatsoever.

Your response to that was to refer to a $20 wage demand that had completely nothing to do with the error the OP committed in his thread title that I was specifically referring to.

I hope this explanation clears up any misunderstanding you may have with my post.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Again, none of those are examples of hypocrisy.

They all are. All of them. I even included the definition of the word for your convenience. If you can't see blatant hypocrisy where it exists then you are beyond help and you have already made up your mind, facts be damned.
 
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