Socket 478 or 775

[HuddaDudda]

I am looking at two different motherboards to buy, one requires a socket 478 and the other a socket 775 - I can get a Intel Prescott 3.0Ghz for both in either socket set. My question is should I go with the 478 or 775 - and doesnt the 775 have another cpu thats an P4 but not a prescott? I really want the coolest running cpu of the two and have read the prescotts run hot. Could run a Celron but I am not sure how big of a difference there is from the P4 to the Celron - this is not a gaming rig and high performance doesnt matter, just looking for the best bank for the buck. I am not limiting myself to the P4's either, maybe a Pentium M? Or go with an AMD 939 and enable cool and quite might be better then Intel? Any input would be helpful, so thanks in advance!

 

[TheRyuu]

At the moment AMD>Intel

Also:
http://forums.anandtech.com/search.aspx

Edit:
I'd just go with 939 and a cheap A64. Maby a 3200+? You can also get the X2 3800+ if your looking to go dual core. You can Overclock either of them too to some nice speeds, if you care.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I definitely wouldn't run a Celeron -- they're significantly slower than a Pentium 4. Wizboy11 is right, you should go with a cheap Athlon 64, which will also allow an upgrade to a higher end dual core chip later on.

If you want to go Intel, you could always pick up a cheap socket 478 motherboard (I'm running an Abit IS7 in my Intel machine) and a cheap Pentium 4. Here I assume that you already have some DDR memory. If you don't, then it might be wiser to go with a socket 775 setup and buy DDR2 as well, for upgradability's sake.

However, I really do reccomend an AMD setup. They're cheaper, have a better upgrade path, and perform better (typically).

-Intel17

 

[rogue1979]

If your looking for the best bang for the buck, just get a socket 754 and a Sempron 2800+ and overclock it. You could even get a mobile Celeron socket 478 with a very cheap motherboard. That's 256k L2, not the crippled 128k L2 version.

 

[HuddaDudda]

I am going to be putting this in a MicroATX board and case. ATM I dont see much selection of any AMD MicroATX boards. I found two MSI boards that use the AMD, model RC410M-L and 945GM2 H-F - but I will need to do a side by side comparison tomorrow when I get to work (since I hate working and like doing personal things at work!) and see what the dual core AMD route will cost or if those boards will accept them (I dont think they do). Money isnt really an issue but its only a small PC to put in the kids room so they can watch DVDs over the network, play thier mp3s and dvds through a dvdrom drive so it isnt like they need a powerhouse or overkill, thats why I was asking about heat and I want to keep it quite since its going in a bedroom. I tried the mini-itx route (Via Epia) but it just wasnt powerful enough so I bought a mac mini duo core to try, but still no go. So I figure I need to go a step up with a decent GPU AGP Card like a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro maybe. I have ALWAYS had good luck with ASUS Motherboards and how they treat thier customers good, so I was sticking to thier motherboards - but looking further Asus does have the A8V-MX AMD so I could go that route although it doesnt have as many features and its only a 800Mhz FSB compaired to the 1066Mhz that the Intel boards have. Then enabling CoolnQuite might lower the heat to a minimum they give them enough power when they need it watching a movie. This motherboard also can use a sempron which also might be just good enough for them. I put one in a server I buildt and its plenty powerful and quick.

I was planning on the following mobo/cpu combo:

ASUS P5LD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P5LD2-VM
Item #: N82E16813131545

Intel Pentium M 740 Dothan 533MHz FSB Socket 478 Processor Model BX80536GE1733FJ - Retail
Model #: BX80536GE1733FJ
Item #: N82E16819111170

but now thinking the AMD route maybe better.........your thoughts.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Socket 940 of course! More pins are better!

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda
I was planning on the following mobo/cpu combo:

ASUS P5LD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P5LD2-VM
Item #: N82E16813131545

Intel Pentium M 740 Dothan 533MHz FSB Socket 478 Processor Model BX80536GE1733FJ - Retail
Model #: BX80536GE1733FJ
Item #: N82E16819111170

but now thinking the AMD route maybe better.........your thoughts.

Umm, how were you planning to use a socket 478 CPU on an LGA775 motherboard? They aren't even remotely compatible..

EDIT: P.S. Pentium-M's are not even pin compatible with normal socket 478 motherboards either, DFI and Aopen make some pentium-m compatible desktop boards, and Asus has their CT-479 adaptor(which is what I am using with my Dothan on a P4P800-VM) that works with certain motherboards.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda
I am going to be putting this in a MicroATX board and case. ATM I dont see much selection of any AMD MicroATX boards. I found two MSI boards that use the AMD, model RC410M-L and 945GM2 H-F - but I will need to do a side by side comparison tomorrow when I get to work (since I hate working and like doing personal things at work!) and see what the dual core AMD route will cost or if those boards will accept them (I dont think they do). Money isnt really an issue but its only a small PC to put in the kids room so they can watch DVDs over the network, play thier mp3s and dvds through a dvdrom drive so it isnt like they need a powerhouse or overkill, thats why I was asking about heat and I want to keep it quite since its going in a bedroom. I tried the mini-itx route (Via Epia) but it just wasnt powerful enough so I bought a mac mini duo core to try, but still no go. So I figure I need to go a step up with a decent GPU AGP Card like a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro maybe. I have ALWAYS had good luck with ASUS Motherboards and how they treat thier customers good, so I was sticking to thier motherboards - but looking further Asus does have the A8V-MX AMD so I could go that route although it doesnt have as many features and its only a 800Mhz FSB compaired to the 1066Mhz that the Intel boards have. Then enabling CoolnQuite might lower the heat to a minimum they give them enough power when they need it watching a movie. This motherboard also can use a sempron which also might be just good enough for them. I put one in a server I buildt and its plenty powerful and quick.

I was planning on the following mobo/cpu combo:

ASUS P5LD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P5LD2-VM
Item #: N82E16813131545

Intel Pentium M 740 Dothan 533MHz FSB Socket 478 Processor Model BX80536GE1733FJ - Retail
Model #: BX80536GE1733FJ
Item #: N82E16819111170

but now thinking the AMD route maybe better.........your thoughts.

Amd dont have FSB, for watching dvd's and playing simple games, u can get a very cheap sempron 2800+ a half decent micro atx mainboard, (i've seen quite a few) and het a 6600 gfx card, that will be a very nice and cheap set up.

The sempron will run very cool, in fact it would probably run fine if u stuck a bga heatsink on it and have a small fan blowing

 

[HuddaDudda]

Lol - your right it was late and I listed the wrong board - the other ASUS board uses the socket 478 and this one is a 775 - which I think I want to stay away from the hot prescotts.

 

[KBM]

Try this..

this cpu idles at about 32 deg. and full load at about 40 deg.

Pentium D 805

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80849

and P5LD2-VM (Good overclocking options)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131545

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: KBM
Try this..

this cpu idles at about 32 deg. and full load at about 40 deg.

Pentium D 805

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80849

and P5LD2-VM (Good overclocking options)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131545

And the 805 is also slow as crap at stock speeds, and the P5LD2-VM may look like it has good overclocking options, but only works if you increase the PCIe frequency, which causes instability with PCIe video cards, and makes the onboard graphics go haywire. Of course the 805 shouldn't run in to those problems since you won't really be overclocking the FSB on that board. Plus once you start overclocking the 805 it runs like a flamethrower just like the rest of the smithfields. @3.7ghz mine is hitting 57c with water cooling.

 

[HuddaDudda]

The PD 805 is slow? Its a 2.66 Ghz dual core - shouldnt this be plenty to run MCE05 or Vista down the road and play DVDs and MP3s? No OC really will be needed/used.

 

[KBM]

PD 805 will be more than enough for you..
If you are not over clocking, here is another great MB for you..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128303

 

[HuddaDudda]

I am pretty stuck on ASUS because of the way they treat thier customers and thier tech support. Anytime in the past if I had a question I could call them and speak with a human, not in another county that cant understand me and gave me the answers I needed with results. Thier boards are stable and rich with features. But I am still not resolved on which combo will run cooler and quiter then the other AMD - or P4, PD or PM CPUS.

 

[potato28]

Heres a good idea of a mATX board and good s939 AMD cpu: Biostar 6150 motherboard and a 3200+, or if possible a 3000+. Cheap, cool, quiet, and fast. If u want it to be even quieter and cooler after its installed, read the sticky at the top of Cases&Cooling for a good HS/F. Other than that, your good too go!

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda
I am pretty stuck on ASUS because of the way they treat thier customers and thier tech support. Anytime in the past if I had a question I could call them and speak with a human, not in another county that cant understand me and gave me the answers I needed with results. Thier boards are stable and rich with features. But I am still not resolved on which combo will run cooler and quiter then the other AMD - or P4, PD or PM CPUS.

My pentium-m system is very quiet, as well as my AMD system. Pentium-4's and pentium-d's run hot. Both of my pentium-d's are water cooled, and still run warmer than my X2 and my pentium-m which are both overclocked on air cooling. My 805@3.7ghz hits 57c under full load on water cooling, my X2 hits 51c @2.618ghz on the stock AMD heatsink.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda
The PD 805 is slow? Its a 2.66 Ghz dual core - shouldnt this be plenty to run MCE05 or Vista down the road and play DVDs and MP3s? No OC really will be needed/used.

A dual core would be an overkill for just those types of applications. 2.66ghz is really low end for a netburst chip, P4's were running at that speed 3 years ago. Basicly a higher speed P4 would outperform it in most things.

 

[rogue1979]

For a low heat and power consumption micro-atx solution, get the Biostar T-Force 6100.

Tons of overlocking features, it is micro-atx, it already has Geforce 6100 video and if that isn't enough it has a pci-e slot. $69 at newegg, what more could you ask for?

Well how about get the combo special with a Sempron 2800+ and save another $10?

 

[HuddaDudda]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda
I am pretty stuck on ASUS because of the way they treat thier customers and thier tech support. Anytime in the past if I had a question I could call them and speak with a human, not in another county that cant understand me and gave me the answers I needed with results. Thier boards are stable and rich with features. But I am still not resolved on which combo will run cooler and quiter then the other AMD - or P4, PD or PM CPUS.

My pentium-m system is very quiet, as well as my AMD system. Pentium-4's and pentium-d's run hot. Both of my pentium-d's are water cooled, and still run warmer than my X2 and my pentium-m which are both overclocked on air cooling. My 805@3.7ghz hits 57c under full load on water cooling, my X2 hits 51c @2.618ghz on the stock AMD heatsink.

So basically your saying to go with a Pentium M or AMD? Asus does not make a PM motherboard so you need to put the CT-479 Adapter on it - I am afraid of the noise level it could produce (heatsink and fan) and I can not find any reviews either that state the db level from that fan. So I am thinking now going more towards the AMD - either a sempron , or moving my San Diego 4000+ into the new computer and upgrading mine to a dual core AMD - or something better then the Sandy I have now. I am going to check out and see where I can find the heat temps for a Sempron, Sandy and maybe just a AMD Athlon - Any ideas whats AMDs coolest running chip?

EDIT: It appears the AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz HT Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX - draws only 51W and is probably the coolest running AMD CPU - and will work fine for my application. Top it off with a Zalman CNPS-7700 AIU quite CPU fan and I should be ok.

So here is my setup:

-ASUS K8N-VM Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
-SILVERSTONE LASCALA SST-LC04-S Silver Aluminum Case
-ZALMAN CNPS7000B-ALCU 92mm 2 Ball Cooling Fan
-Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825AS 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
-AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz HT Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX
-SAPPHIRE 100141L Radeon X1300 256MB DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card

I have some DDR 400 OCZ 1GB here too so I am going to toss that in there too. Should run cool, quite and enough for Vista MCE or MCE05 to play movies, DVDs and MP3's with. Thats all its for and dont need an overkill. My main focus is cool and quite which I think averall this is the best route/bang for the buck. Ok now everyone rip me to shreds!

 

[rogue1979]

No need to rip you to shreds, that's a good choice except for the video card. The Sempron 2800+ is still enticing, only $75 and it will hit 2200-2400Mhz with the stock heatsink running cool without excessive voltage. But if you go to newegg and look under the X800 category, they have one that is $109 with a $30 mail-in rebate, only $79 + shipping. You can't even compare the X1300 to that, not even in the same league.

 

[HuddaDudda]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
No need to rip you to shreds, that's a good choice except for the video card. The Sempron 2800+ is still enticing, only $75 and it will hit 2200-2400Mhz with the stock heatsink running cool without excessive voltage. But if you go to newegg and look under the X800 category, they have one that is $109 with a $30 mail-in rebate, only $79 + shipping. You can't even compare the X1300 to that, not even in the same league.

Yeah I see that one (MSI) thanks for pointing it out to me - the reason I went with the other one is because I am going for a SILENT Computer and the X1300 has a large heatsink without a fan. I also changed my mind and I am going to get the Ahanix MCE301 Media Center Enclosure Model #MCE301S-A instead of the Silverstone case since I am reading its a pain with the riser cards. Another reason to not have a fan on the vid card - because its going to be a tight fit.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: HuddaDudda
I am pretty stuck on ASUS because of the way they treat thier customers and thier tech support. Anytime in the past if I had a question I could call them and speak with a human, not in another county that cant understand me and gave me the answers I needed with results. Thier boards are stable and rich with features. But I am still not resolved on which combo will run cooler and quiter then the other AMD - or P4, PD or PM CPUS.

My pentium-m system is very quiet, as well as my AMD system. Pentium-4's and pentium-d's run hot. Both of my pentium-d's are water cooled, and still run warmer than my X2 and my pentium-m which are both overclocked on air cooling. My 805@3.7ghz hits 57c under full load on water cooling, my X2 hits 51c @2.618ghz on the stock AMD heatsink.

So basically your saying to go with a Pentium M or AMD? Asus does not make a PM motherboard so you need to put the CT-479 Adapter on it - I am afraid of the noise level it could produce (heatsink and fan) and I can not find any reviews either that state the db level from that fan. So I am thinking now going more towards the AMD - either a sempron , or moving my San Diego 4000+ into the new computer and upgrading mine to a dual core AMD - or something better then the Sandy I have now. I am going to check out and see where I can find the heat temps for a Sempron, Sandy and maybe just a AMD Athlon - Any ideas whats AMDs coolest running chip?

EDIT: It appears the AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz HT Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX - draws only 51W and is probably the coolest running AMD CPU - and will work fine for my application. Top it off with a Zalman CNPS-7700 AIU quite CPU fan and I should be ok.

So here is my setup:

-ASUS K8N-VM Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
-SILVERSTONE LASCALA SST-LC04-S Silver Aluminum Case
-ZALMAN CNPS7000B-ALCU 92mm 2 Ball Cooling Fan
-Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825AS 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
-AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz HT Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX
-SAPPHIRE 100141L Radeon X1300 256MB DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card

I have some DDR 400 OCZ 1GB here too so I am going to toss that in there too. Should run cool, quite and enough for Vista MCE or MCE05 to play movies, DVDs and MP3's with. Thats all its for and dont need an overkill. My main focus is cool and quite which I think averall this is the best route/bang for the buck. Ok now everyone rip me to shreds!

Easier to just go with an AMD setup and more cost effective, but the fan on the CT-479 adaptor doesn't make much noise at all. As a matter of fact, my dothan with the CT-479 in an Antec Aria case, is basicly totatly silent. If it wasn't for the LED's on the front of the case, I wouldnt' know it was on.

 

[HomeyFoos]

EDIT: It appears the AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz HT Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX - draws only 51W and is probably the coolest running AMD CPU - and will work fine for my application. Top it off with a Zalman CNPS-7700 AIU quite CPU fan and I should be ok.

I waited patiently and read through the entire thread before I replied. But this was the exact chip I was going to recommend. I recently built the system in my sig for gaming and had so much fun I wanted to build another box. So I decided on an HTPC using that exact chip (A64 3000+ s754 Venice for $120 at newegg) and paired it with an EPoX SLi NForce4 mobo.

My build as follows:
A64 3000+ s754 Venice
EPoX 8NPA SLi Mobo
1 gig GSkill PC3200(DDR 400) Red Heat Spreader
XFi Xtreme Music
SLi'd 7600GT's (cool, quiet, low voltage and run near my 7800GTX 256)
Lite-On LightScribe Dual Layer DVD-R/RW
2x WD2500KS 250gig SATA II drives
Lian-Li V800A (silver - they make the best cases)
Hauppage PVR-150 w/ remote and IRBlaster
BeyondTV 4
DVICO HDTV5 USB Gold Terrestrial HD receiver
Anetc SmartPower 2.0 500w Modular PSU

This build ran me about $1500 (including shipping - buy what you can from ZipZoomFly...Free 2nd day air though they don't carry the A64 3000+ Venice. Only the Clawhammer? Is that right?) and I still need to put another gig of ram in it. But that's only gonna be about $70. But I was able to put all the other goodies into this machine because of what I saved on CPU/Mobo/Ram (Only spent $280 on that trio and can get tremendous value on that money spent by oc'ing just a bit) by going s754 Venice. Limited upgrade path, sure, but as an HTPC I will get quite a bit of life from this system without spending s939 dollars.

Excellent choice in my opinion.