[Softpedia] AMD Not Competing with Intel Anymore, Goes Mobile

thilanliyan

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Just FYI, this may not be a completely accurate piece of news...may be a case of far off extrapolation.

I saw this article over at XS and I think SKYMTL's (of Hardwarecanucks.com) statement should be posted here as well:

"This is a prime example of reading too much into a PR person's statement.

How does:


"We're at an inflection point," said AMD spokesman Mike Silverman, according to a Mercury News report. "We will all need to let go of the old 'AMD versus Intel' mindset, because it won't be about that anymore."

Become:

In a move than could very well be interpreted as exchanging one problem for another, Advanced Micro Devices has decided to stop focusing so much on the PC business and get its act closer together on the mobile front.

All the spokesperson said is that the market isn't JUST about competing with Intel anymore. That is 100% true. With ARM-based cores making some serious inroads, the traditional "PC" space has evolved a lot in a very short time. AMD and Intel now have to think of everyone from Samsung to Qualcomm.

Heck, Bulldozer may not be the greatest but is it a product without a future? No way. It has plenty left in the tank and could become a go-to option in certain circles once the kinks are worked out. "
 
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Rvenger

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Aw man, what is Rory Read thinking????? AMD is supposed to be a CPU business and that what they were acclaimed for wth is going on!!
 

MegaWorks

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yeaaaahhhh!!!!! back to pay $800+ for a pentium III like processor, best news ever bro!
 

cbn

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I agree with post #4.

That statement from the AMD spokesman could be taken a lot of different ways. A shift to mobile only being one of them.

My best guess is that the AMD spokesman's statement has to do more with AMD's shift to "GPGPU".
 
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exar333

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Kind of like when you lose so bad at a race, that you slow down and say "I wasn't really racing anyway...'

Bad news if true...
 

drizek

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Ya, if that statement is all they are going off of, this story is jsut BS.

What he said is right. It isn't about Intel/AMD anymore. ARM is becoming a player now.
 

grkM3

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so AMD thinks it can make money going mobile? intel is selling top end xeons for 4k a pop,thats where the money is at folks and intel now has a true monopoly
 

exar333

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so AMD thinks it can make money going mobile? intel is selling top end xeons for 4k a pop,thats where the money is at folks and intel now has a true monopoly

Guess what Intel does then? Raises their server and Desktop prices and cuts mobile CPUs to the bone.

Good luck AMD competing with a $100 SB-ULV dual/quad...
 

cbn

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I got this from the XS thread:

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_19358655

AMD struggling to reinvent itself

By Steve Johnson
sjohnson@mercurynews.com

Posted: 11/20/2011 03:00:00 PM PST
Updated: 11/21/2011 10:16:22 AM PST


Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) chips are displayed at the Micro Center computer store in Santa...

Sunnyvale-based Advanced Micro Devices was hoping to profit from a bigger share of the PC chip market after its longtime nemesis, Intel (INTC), suffered a string of antitrust regulatory rebukes in recent years.

But it hasn't quite worked out that way. Intel has extended its lead in the business while AMD has struggled to stay out of the red, ousted its CEO and recently announced it is gutting its workforce.

Now AMD, a Silicon Valley fixture for more than four decades, is considering a new strategy that some experts believe could dramatically alter its protracted
struggle with the Santa Clara Goliath, one of the most closely watched and acrimonious brawls in the tech industry.

"We're at an inflection point," said company spokesman Mike Silverman. "We will all need to let go of the old 'AMD versus Intel' mind-set, because it won't be about that anymore."

Although AMD has been vague about its plans, the company is widely expected to push hard to get its chips into smartphones and tablets. Those markets not only are dominated by other companies, but its gargantuan archrival is trying to elbow its way into them, too -- potentially moving the war with Intel onto a new battleground.

Nonetheless, AMD has to change to keep up with the fickle tastes of consumers, according to Mercury Research analyst Dean McCarron.

"The competitive dynamic has shifted because of these new markets opening," he said. "There's kind of a big restructuring of the world taking place and all of the companies are working to address it."

Feuding since 1980s

AMD, which was founded in 1969, and Intel, launched one year earlier, began feuding over patents and other matters in the early 1980s. That's when IBM chose to equip its personal computers with Intel's brainy x86 microprocessors and picked AMD as a backup supplier of those chips.

But the squabbling hit a new decibel level after AMD developed its own x86 design and accused Intel of employing intimidation and other unfair tactics to discourage their use by computer makers.

After AMD filed a broad antitrust suit against Intel in 2005, similar allegations were leveled over the next few years by Japan, Korea, New York state, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission and Europe, with the latter fining Intel $1.45 billion.

The chip giant has repeatedly denied wrongdoing and is appealing the European penalty. But in 2009, Intel agreed to give AMD $1.25 billion to resolve its complaints, and in 2010 it settled the FTC's suit by promising to change some of its practices. New York's suit is still pending.

AMD executives had hoped the legal actions would help them grab a bigger piece of the PC microprocessor business. But the opposite has happened. In 2006, AMD owned 23 percent of the market, while Intel controlled 75 percent, according to research firm IDC. Since then, AMD's share has slid to around 19 percent, while Intel's has grown to 80 percent.

Heavily in debt from its $5.6 billion purchase of a graphics chip chipmaker, AMD in 2009 sought to cut its expenses by spinning off its manufacturing operation into a joint venture called GlobalFoundries. But by then it had suffered a long string of financial losses, which didn't sit well on Wall Street.

"How many quarters are investors supposed to tolerate before we get action necessary to deliver some semblance of break even or profitability?" groused American Technology Research analysts two years ago.

Since then, AMD has turned in better earnings and won praise for its chips' quality. Nonetheless, it's been chided for trailing Intel's technology and for being heavily dependent upon the PC business, where the pace of growth has slowed.

AMD's failure to get its chips into smartphones and tablets reportedly was behind its board's decision in January this year to oust CEO Dirk Meyer, who had been in the job since 2008, and to replace him in August with Rory Read, former CEO of PC and tablet maker Lenovo.

Manufacturing glitches

Meanwhile, AMD's woes have continued. In September it cut its revenue and profit forecast after having fewer of its top chips to sell because of manufacturing glitches at a German GlobalFoundries plant. And earlier this month, AMD announced it was laying off 1,400 employees -- nearly 12 percent of its workforce.

By contrast, Intel's business has been booming. Reporting sales of nearly $44 billion last year, compared with about $6.5 billion for AMD, Intel has turned in a succession of record earnings.

Some analysts believe AMD may fire back at Intel by adopting a chip design long anathema to both companies. The design, licensed to various chipmakers by British firm ARM, currently dominates smartphones and tablets.

AMD might make chips based on both the x86 and ARM designs, some experts have speculated. But if it switches exclusively to ARM, it would leave Intel essentially alone in the x86 business, which "would make Intel kind of look like they are the guy that missed the meeting," said tech analyst Rob Enderle.

All AMD has said so far about its new strategy -- which it has promised to detail in February -- is that it intends to pursue "growth opportunities" in low-powered devices, emerging markets and Internet-based businesses.

Whatever path it takes, it had better be different from the one it's been on, said Creative Strategies tech analyst Tim Bajarin, because the microprocessor market "has really changed in this post-PC age."
 

cbn

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so AMD thinks it can make money going mobile? intel is selling top end xeons for 4k a pop,thats where the money is at folks and intel now has a true monopoly

It seems to most of the mobile players want to enter server. (where the profits are).

So how would going mobile help strengthen AMD? There needs to be some kind of tie in.

With Nvidia the mobile connection to server is obvious. Lately they have been wanting to connect Tegras to Tesla GPGPUs.
 

Kenmitch

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yeaaaahhhh!!!!! back to pay $800+ for a pentium III like processor, best news ever bro!

Intel has kinda been doing this lately anyways. With the current tic toc trend with the socket change requiring an new motherboard to get the latest generation of cpu. The K series seems to kill the sockets for upgradability of the cpu for the most part. Guess maybe more cores per socket is the only enticement currently.

The mobile market does seem to have a brighter future than the desktop market it seems like. For the basic things most people do alot of cpu/gpu power isn't required. Throwing more cpu/gpu power into something like a tablet just increases the usefullness of it to more poeple. Diving into the mobile arena doesn't sound like a bad thing to me as long as a product is competetive it will sell.

Todays high end cpus should be more than enough for the next couple of years. If you don't think so then just get a K chip and run it at stock speeds. Feel the need for an upgrade and just bump up the speed somewhat. Get the itch later and just bump it up some more. Or just bump it into the 4.5ghz or so range and stop reading benchmark scores/reviews
 

alyarb

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I feel like lynnfield and SNB could've been shoehorned into the same socket, and shame on them for not trying, but every other product has had far too much fundamental integration to fit inside 775 or 1366.
 

eternalone

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Someone could fill the spot maybe the Chinese will. On the other hand this could mark the end of the Desktop era per say.
 

exar333

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I feel like lynnfield and SNB could've been shoehorned into the same socket, and shame on them for not trying, but every other product has had far too much fundamental integration to fit inside 775 or 1366.

Lynnfield and SB were very different. One had a GPU, the other did not. AMD had to go a new socket as well for their CPUs with an IGP.

Just because the pin count is 1 different (1156 vs 1155) doesn't mean it's easy...
 

Maximilian

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My future prediction:

In 2015 we will still be anticipating ivy bridge, haswell will be pushed back to never, 2500k will still be the best bang for buck CPU at just $699.95, 2600k will cost $1200 and ownership will require a signed declaration stating your undying loyalty to Intel and that Intelcorp owns your soul. Only god can afford sandy bridge E.
 

Vesku

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1156 and 1155 both take CPU+GPU chips. The reality is that Intel has pushed the pin costs onto motherboard makers, combine that with their chipset sales being a nice profit area for them and Intel has little to no incentive to expend resources designing a chipset + socket combination for multiple product iterations.
 
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