Software Piracy

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'm getting SO tired of hearing people in here saying things like "just download it and get the crack" or " Thanks to mIRC, I don't have to pay for anything" in reference to pirating software.

well, how about with regards to making a legitimate backup copy? i, for one, don't like having to dig around the closet everytime i want to play that one game especially if the dog/infant/killer-klown-from-outer-space has a tendency to destroy things.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

YOu need a better rant

 

[EyeMWing]

I download cracks and such. I find myself, more often than not, lately, REQUIRING cracks to run legitimately purchased software on several of my machines (For various reasons - among them being virtual CD software, multiple CD drives, my unwillingness to open a port for a "phone home", inability to activate after a hardware upgrade and being told to "repurchase" [I have a TAPE of the Microsoft phone op telling me that] etc.)

It's sad as hell. Software companies can do NOTHING to stop piracy, the only thing their copy protection does is force legitimate customers into it.

Warez groups take care of their users. The companies that actually write the software DON'T anymore. It's a sad, horrifying truth of the industry in recent years. And yes, I am a "programmer." I have the skills, but I refuse to enter into an industry where I'm likely to be forced to harm my own customers in this manner.

 

[compfreak999]

hey im 16 and i actually buy legit music cd (used to download but found that stupid) and software wise i do buy games but then again i dont play many games, windows xp wise.....well lets just say i have 90% off direct from microsoft!

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: compfreak999
hey im 16 and i actually buy legit music cd (used to download but found that stupid) and software wise i do buy games but then again i dont play many games, windows xp wise.....well lets just say i have 90% off direct from microsoft!

90% off my balls. I'm a registered reseller and do volumes of ~300units/year and don't get SHAT for discount.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I understand that pirating software is wrong. But I also believe it is extremely hard for a teenage who wants to go into the 3D animation field to purchase Maya. I do admit to having some pirated software. I guess I tend to think of it like copyright laws, until I'm making money using development software, why purchase the software? How was I supposed to get it in the first place? If I were to do web design today I'd use photoshop and flash thats like $1200. I buy all my games. I just feel the student market is even out of my price range. ($2000 for adobe video suite) I'm paying student loans I can't take out another so I can buy software that will be out of date when I get out of college. Bleh

-anti-rant

hmm... that brings up a point: where would the current maya/3dsmax users be if they didn't pirate them when they didn't have money? it's the same with windows. microsoft might not be too happy with people pirating their software. on the other hand, they are happy that the pirates aren't using any of the alternatives.

 

[Rufio]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: compfreak999
hey im 16 and i actually buy legit music cd (used to download but found that stupid) and software wise i do buy games but then again i dont play many games, windows xp wise.....well lets just say i have 90% off direct from microsoft!

90% off my balls. I'm a registered reseller and do volumes of ~300units/year and don't get SHAT for discount.

u get crazy discounts if u work for microsoft!

 

[marcello]

I think a key point here is that the gaming/music/movie industry has decided it hardly ever wants to be innovative anymore. The majority of what they put out is recycled crap. You want me to pay $50 for another generic FPS with a crappy story? GO **** YOURSELF. You want me to pay $18 for another generic gansta rapper who only has good beats but weak rhymes and only one song that is catchy (not even good, just catchy)? GO **** YOURSELF. You want me to pay $25 for another crappy comedy/love story with an ending so terrible I have stopped watching the last ten minutes of nearly all movies? Go **** YOURSELF.

None of those ****'s are directed at anybody here, just the various industry's and their over obession with copying as opposed to innovating. You say we're stealing something, they're stealilng other people's ideas and pile driving them into the ground. Whenever something good comes out, I buy it. I just bought a bunch of CD's (Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Blackstar, Roots, Anthony Hamilton), I still buy video games (Madden 2005, Half Life 2, Burnout), I still buy movies (well, I haven't bought anything quality in a while, but I've bought some crappy stuff cause it costs the same as renting it). When the industries refocus their goals to pleasing the consumer, instead of making a quick buck, then I won't pirate stuff anymore. Until then, they can lick my ****. Sorry for the rant

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Rufio

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: compfreak999
hey im 16 and i actually buy legit music cd (used to download but found that stupid) and software wise i do buy games but then again i dont play many games, windows xp wise.....well lets just say i have 90% off direct from microsoft!

90% off my balls. I'm a registered reseller and do volumes of ~300units/year and don't get SHAT for discount.

u get crazy discounts if u work for microsoft!

Obviously, but he's 16. I don't think MS hires too many 16 year olds to do anything of enough importance to throw $15 copies of WinXP at.

 

[Rufio]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Rufio

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: compfreak999
hey im 16 and i actually buy legit music cd (used to download but found that stupid) and software wise i do buy games but then again i dont play many games, windows xp wise.....well lets just say i have 90% off direct from microsoft!

90% off my balls. I'm a registered reseller and do volumes of ~300units/year and don't get SHAT for discount.

u get crazy discounts if u work for microsoft!

Obviously, but he's 16. I don't think MS hires too many 16 year olds to do anything of enough importance to throw $15 copies of WinXP at.

i meant to apply that his father or mom might work for M$

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Rufio

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Rufio

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: compfreak999
hey im 16 and i actually buy legit music cd (used to download but found that stupid) and software wise i do buy games but then again i dont play many games, windows xp wise.....well lets just say i have 90% off direct from microsoft!

90% off my balls. I'm a registered reseller and do volumes of ~300units/year and don't get SHAT for discount.

u get crazy discounts if u work for microsoft!

Obviously, but he's 16. I don't think MS hires too many 16 year olds to do anything of enough importance to throw $15 copies of WinXP at.

i meant to apply that his father or mom might work for M$

Oh yeah. I forgot about parents.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: marcello
I think a key point here is that the gaming/music/movie industry has decided it hardly ever wants to be innovative anymore. The majority of what they put out is recycled crap. You want me to pay $50 for another generic FPS with a crappy story? GO **** YOURSELF. You want me to pay $18 for another generic gansta rapper who only has good beats but weak rhymes and only one song that is catchy (not even good, just catchy)? GO **** YOURSELF. You want me to pay $25 for another crappy comedy/love story with an ending so terrible I have stopped watching the last ten minutes of nearly all movies? Go **** YOURSELF.

None of those ****'s are directed at anybody here, just the various industry's and their over obession with copying as opposed to innovating. You say we're stealing something, they're stealilng other people's ideas and pile driving them into the ground. Whenever something good comes out, I buy it. I just bought a bunch of CD's (Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Blackstar, Roots, Anthony Hamilton), I still buy video games (Madden 2005, Half Life 2, Burnout), I still buy movies (well, I haven't bought anything quality in a while, but I've bought some crappy stuff cause it costs the same as renting it). When the industries refocus their goals to pleasing the consumer, instead of making a quick buck, then I won't pirate stuff anymore. Until then, they can lick my ****. Sorry for the rant

This is the worst argument ever. If you think it's crap, why do you want to have a copy?

 

[dr150]

I think would pirate much less if everything was on a FAIR per USE basis.....and if you wanted to own something with unlimited use, then you get CREDIT for the times you used/rented the software.

The "rental" pricing can be even geared to different segments of the population. Students, elderly, retired, unemployed and disabled get it at a discount over the more well-to-do.

The pricing must be FAIR, otherwise people will rebel and pirate.

I cannot fathom that Adobe software and their ilk charge so much it is just plain wrong. But I guess one doesn't need to buy it either....

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: dr150
I think would pirate much less if everything was on a FAIR per USE basis.....and if you wanted to own something with unlimited use, then you get CREDIT for the times you used/rented the software.

The "rental" pricing can be even geared to different segments of the population. Students, elderly, retired, unemployed and disabled get it at a discount over the more well-to-do.

The pricing must be FAIR, otherwise people will rebel and pirate.

I cannot fathom that Adobe software and their ilk charge so much it is just plain wrong. But I guess one doesn't need to buy it either....

ARE YOU STUPID? The EULA ALREADY says we're just renting it.

 

[yhelothar]

Pirating is hardly a problem in US.
You should see china or taiwan, 99% of all software/music/games are copied.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: KJI
Quite frankly, the way I view it is that if I didn't pirate it, I just wouldn't have it. It's not really a case of programmers or companies losing money due to me (heads I don't have it, they don't get paid, tails, I pirate it, they don't get paid) and, I do spend all the money I can on hardware(sort of hard to pirate that.) Software piracy isn't like stealing cars or such, because it isn't a material good, and thus wouldn't have to be taken from somebody or produced.

So in other words, you reward hardware manufacturers with extra money that you rightfully should have spent on software, because you don't know how to steal hardware.

Doesn't that contradict "companies losing money due to me"? Yes, it does.

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
This is the worst argument ever. If you think it's crap, why do you want to have a copy?

Fair enough, but I didn't explain what I meant well enough. For music, there are plenty of artists that come out with one catchy song and they are backed up by an entire CD of crap. So I get the one song instead of buying the whole album. And I don't support buying the single either, cause that is way overpriced too. With games, I'm just addicted to them. I play games even if I don't like them, just so I have a game to play. I know my morals are different from others, but that's why they're mine. I don't apologize for them.

To everyone else on this topic. Enough with the holier than though bs too. I'm sure many of you (the guys at least), have pirated pornography. If you haven't done that (you're probably lying if you say you haven't, but we'll skip that), then you've definetly broken some other laws in your life. So fine, some of us have pirated, some of you have done other **** that's illegal.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: nCred