ugh, this is still alive.
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Rather than discuss the flaws of my ways I shall instead side with you so you will shut up! >>
you ever stop to think that maybe this isn't considered a flaw by everyone?
<< In other words I am more wrong for questioning your ethic than you are for have none? Ok that works in fantisy land but not in the real world. >>
question away all you like. But you have to realize that not everyone shares your belief system and your set of values. Maybe in your perfect little world, everyone would, but not here.
<< When it comes to education just toss your ethics aside you really don't need them untill after you graduate.
But then of course theres this.
So in the work place ethics aren't really that important either. >>
Are you even following this argument, because it's getting tiresome of having you seemingly forget what the point is. Just to refresh you memory, my point is that, to some people, having a stable, uninterrupted internet connection is not a luxury, but rather, a necessity for life. You seem to find this unethical. It's not like people are running LOS access points and copper wiring and stealing it. It's paid for. So that art developer who'd like that copy of powerdvd is supposed to give up something critical to his survival in lieu of the fact that he could download it easily. I'm trying to say, it doesn't work that way. It might not be right, but that people don't think that way.
<< Actually Using my logic I would say HMMM. Maybe I can't afford to do this job, It would cost me more to do it than if I didn't do itat all! Perhaps I sould find something else to do it or find cheaper tools that will get me by until I can afford the nicer tools. >>
Once again, you completely missed the point. The point is, the shovel is an integral part of doing the job. It's simply unfeasible and inefficient to do so otherwise. So that while it is possible to dig out a foundation with your fingers, it's not an option. Why ? Cuz you'd never work again.Word would spread you did the work with vast amounts of inefficiency adn you'd be out on the street starving for lack of work. and since you never attended college, I'll excuse the fact that the whole concept of choosing a major is not exactly in your realm of expertise, but suffice it to say, morality doesn't play a significant, if any, part in it. Interest does.
<< This was one of my favorites-
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In other words If i can't afford the shiny new toy I will find a way to steal it. >>
Once again, the point went completely past you. People pirate officeXP because it's the easiest thing to find. Why is it the easiest to find? Because it's the new, shiny thing. It doesn't work the other way around. If office 97 was easier to find, then they'd use that, but it isn't. Why? Because it's been replaced by something newer, shinier, and easier to find.
<< A guy is hungry and steals a loaf of bread, regardless of why he stole or what he stole he still is a thief. >>
that may be, but for a just cause, I would not condemn his moral standard and if he got away with it scot free, I would shake his hand. The difference between right and wrong is often not formed by some governing body or by a supreme ruling power, but by the mind of the individual. One man's standard for what is just doesn't necessarily equate someone elses. Does this make one man better than another. No, just different.
<< Yes it is right I paid what the retailer asked instead of saying "that seems a little High I'll just take it for free!" >>
ok, once again, that's exactly my point. You goto a retailer and pay if you think a price is fair and fits inside your budget. The point is, does the person who made it come to mind? Are you concerned of his welfare? the point is, you're trying to get a fair angle on your purchase, but you're not considering what the developer makes. So now a pirater walks into a store adn looks at a piece of software. His fair price is something very low...about what he considers the time it'd take to download(maybe 5-10 bux). He looks at the price tag and you want him to consider that poor developer in silicon valley? You expect him to feel guilt that he's depriving him of a fraction of a cent or to even pass a shadow of thought over that software company. That is not likely going to occur. I ask you to realize this point.
<< Ok I really want to know how buying a loss leader can be compared to stealing.
If a company is willing to sell me a product at a loss that is there problem, If I buy it for the amout that is listed then I LEGALLY own it. Now You think that some how compares with me just taking it? PLease try that logic somewhere else because it just doesn't work here in REALITY. >>
The point is, do you always pay what something is worth? Do you not try, even a little, to get the better angle?
<< Accually I can belittle whom ever I choose, Free speech is a wonderful thing. Yes you have the right to make whatever choices you want. And by pirating software you coose to steel, I then choose to belittle you for it! It really works check the previous 200+ posts. When your choice is to steal something that doesn't belong to you then your sacrafice is having people like me question your values! >>
So I assume you never learned about something called courtesy? or maybe the last 100 years or so didn't teach you anything about judging people you don't know huh? It seems to me, more than anything, that your only purpose is to spark a flame war of some sorts. Heck, if recall correctly, you said you were offered a copy of winxp corporate edition. What did you do then? Did you call that fellow a moron? Did you stand up and proclaim him a pariah on the spot? I mean, you had a pirater right there in front of you? Do I really want to know what you did to him? Well how about this, why can't someone go out in the street, first amendment written on his shirt, screaming that all g00ks, ch|nks, and negroes should be beaten to death? I trust you know the answer to this one, so I'll let you figure it out.
<< Yes I think you should pay for thing you use if the company wants you to, I'm funny that way. >>
and I'm of a mind to be generally more respectful of people I know little about...I'm strange that way.
<< HMM So I pirate software? I really don't think so. >>
wrong words...read it over....it'll come.
<< I condem people WHO STEAL FROM OTHER PEOPLE! wow you figured that out. Yes I think people who coose to pirate software are worthless and small yes that's it. >>
and you know this how? Are you suddenly omniscient? Nope. The fact is, you don't know anything about these people other than the fact that they choose to pirate software. You say you speed. I've lost people I cared about because of people speeding. Does that mean that I am suddenly granted with the knowledge that you are murderous scum and probably one of the vilest pieces of offal on the planet? No. I don't know this, nor do I assume it's so, despite the fact that it's pretty much all I know about your driving habits.
<< ANd you choose to bash me for doing so! Hey it really is simple don't steal I shuut up on the subject. Steal because you just have to have the NEWEST AND BRIGHTEST really isn't a worthy cause, You seem like you may be semi-inteligent I would suggest that you find a different avenue that accually leads somewhere as opposed to defending the dignity of theives! >>
I condemn the act and your intolerance. I've stated that I respect your arguments, but don't agree with them. Mayhaps you should read things over a few times and calm your blood a bit. Sorry to break it you tho, I conform to the EULA with every piece of software I have installed. I have to have my machine rebuilt for me should it ever fail. All my licenses are kept under lock and key by my supervisor. I have signed forms that state I cannot disperse my licenses in any way, even if I no longer use the software. I have found and chosen my path. And, conversely, this is very simple, stop flaming people you don't know, and I will shut up. easy as pie.
<< tm37 does NOT have justification to belittle anyone. >>
I can belittle anyone I choose! You can, just like I CAN pirate software. But your justification is lacking.
<< Yes I judge people on there actions and Because they steal i judge! I don't need a EULA to give me permission to call you a thief after you admit you are a thief, It called the constitution! People readly say that they pirate because it is easier and cheaper than PAYING (GASP:Q) for the software they use. Well if that isn't slacking in that area at least I don't know what is. >>
so you've never tried to do things a little easier or more cheaply. This brings us right back to the shovel. on the flip side, then that makes you a slacker for doing something a little more convenient. I'm sure there are laws you've broken, probably small and petty laws to you, sometimes not. But because you feel that this law seems particularly important we're the slackers and you are not. Yes, it's all wonderful and good that you can cite the constitution, but that brings us right back to courtesy. If you knew us...or even knew someone close to us, then maybe u could come to some kind of fair or accurate conclusion about the type of people we are, but as it stands, your basis for judgement seems rather poor, don't you think?
<< But what if you are a moron for thinking that way? >>
and on the inverted side, what if you are the moron for not thinking as I do? It could easily be argued that small scale piracy is generally looked over by law enforcement, much like not breaking the seal on cigarettes or jaywalking and that YOU are the moron for not taking advantage of this fact, causing you loss of something valuable like money. You see, as much as you'd like to be, you are not the grand judicator of what is the right and wrong way to look at things.