Soldier beheaded in London machete attack, Attacker mugs for camera

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mikeymikec

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However, I am of course absolutely certain that the entire Muslim community in the UK is going to stand as one to firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again.

Uh-huh. Because Muslims should take responsibility for what one nut-job says and does, yes?

If this had been a white nut-job who claimed that Christ is telling him to hack some heads off, would you expect the Christian community to "firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again"?
 

BoomerD

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"In my country, this happens all the time."

Then why are you doing it in other countries you punk??!!!!

In lieu of British punishment, simply extradite him back to Somalia...from about 40,000 feet.
 

Red Storm

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Uh-huh. Because Muslims should take responsibility for what one nut-job says and does, yes?

If this had been a white nut-job who claimed that Christ is telling him to hack some heads off, would you expect the Christian community to "firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again"?

No he wouldn't, he isn't biased that way.
 

lxskllr

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If this had been a white nut-job who claimed that Christ is telling him to hack some heads off, would you expect the Christian community to "firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again"?

But that doesn't really happen. I'm sure you could scour the news for a schizophrenic that chopped someone up because god told him to, but it isn't because of the religion. Islam has a real problem that needs to be dealt with. "The community" getting together and denouncing homicidal actions isn't enough. I don't know what is enough, but those people need to deal with their miscreants.
 

Colt45

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Fools are hurting their own cause. If they keep this up, europe will just end up pushing all the muslims into the ocean.

Well, east europe and the balkans certainly would. the west might just capitulate. :awe:
 

mikeymikec

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But that doesn't really happen. I'm sure you could scour the news for a schizophrenic that chopped someone up because god told him to, but it isn't because of the religion. Islam has a real problem that needs to be dealt with. "The community" getting together and denouncing homicidal actions isn't enough. I don't know what is enough, but those people need to deal with their miscreants.

But if he says Allah then we know it's because of the religion, right?

 

lxskllr

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But if he says Allah then we know it's because of the religion, right?


What else would it be? Two schizos found each other, and cooperated to commit murder? I don't think so, and that only covers this specific case. What about the thousands of other cases last year?
 

tokie

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But that doesn't really happen. I'm sure you could scour the news for a schizophrenic that chopped someone up because god told him to, but it isn't because of the religion. Islam has a real problem that needs to be dealt with. "The community" getting together and denouncing homicidal actions isn't enough. I don't know what is enough, but those people need to deal with their miscreants.

And what about the cross-wearing cartelists in Mexico chopping people into bits and going to church on Sundays?

What about the Protestant and Catholics bombing people in Ireland? What about ETA?

There are nut jobs in all religions. The only difference with Islam is that Osama got his mug on the big screen for 10 years so everyone knows the face/backstory.
 

lxskllr

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And what about the cross-wearing cartelists in Mexico chopping people into bits and going to church on Sundays?
What about them? They aren't chopping people for god or other supernatural entities. They're doing it because they're drug dealers, and eliminating competition.

What about the Protestant and Catholics bombing people in Ireland?
They're nationalists, or that's the way they started anyway. It's now more about organized crime AFAICT. "Catholic" is the uniform, not the cause.
 

Yreka

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Yes? If I hear some guy shouting "Praise Jesus!" or "Hare Krishna" while hacking up someone, I'll be sure to let you know

Especially when its the 437th person doing it. False equivalence is false
 

tokie

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They're nationalists, or that's the way they started anyway. It's now more about organized crime AFAICT. "Catholic" is the uniform, not the cause.

Do you seriously believe Islam is not a uniform? What of the hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims around the world?

The fact is there are nutjobs in all religions, and it is not the religions fault. Some get more press than others, and some do it in different ways (diddling schoolboys vs bombing buildings).
 

lxskllr

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Do you seriously believe Islam is not a uniform? What of the hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims around the world?
The uniform for what cause? The IRA isn't about instituting Catholicism in Ireland. It's about returning the whole country to Irish rule, and punishing past British abuses. That's the historic context anyway. They've fought the war so long they forgot the goal.

The fact is there are nutjobs in all religions, and it is not the religions fault. Some get more press than others, and some do it in different ways (diddling schoolboys vs bombing buildings).

There sure are, yet I'm not aware of any that revel in intrinsic violence of their "holy" books. So who's fault is it?
 

Doppel

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Uh-huh. Because Muslims should take responsibility for what one nut-job says and does, yes?

If this had been a white nut-job who claimed that Christ is telling him to hack some heads off, would you expect the Christian community to "firmly denounce this violence and to take real steps to ensure that such a horrible thing will never happen again"?
Silly comparison, given how Christianity is used as a claim behind virtually no terrorism when compared to the huge prevalence Islam is.
The fact is there are nutjobs in all religions, and it is not the religions fault.
Are you claiming proponents of a religion are not influenced by their faith? No proponents of religion would agree with you.

It's obvious Islam is way over represented in this kind of thing. I believe it's because that religion is poisonous and a cancer. It is over represented behind terrorism and over represented in terms of failed nation states that are heavily Muslim.
 
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