Solution for Isreal -- begin annexing land.

[WhipperSnapper]

Here is my solution for Isreal's problem. For every Isreali civilian killed by terrorist attacks, whether from Hamas or Hezbolla, righteously and rightfully claim ownership of one square mile of Palestinian or Lebanese territory. For every seriously wounded civilian, claim 1/2 a square mile.

As the number of civilian casualties build, you move your border one mile out. So if the border between Isreal and Lebanon were, say, 50 miles wide, then when 50 civilians have been killed (or 25 killed and 50 wounded), then you claim ownership of that 50 x 1 mile strip and move in to occupy it, clearing out all of the people who live there.

This would put pressure on civilians in these areas to string up the terrorists who are using them as human shields and pawns and also it would provide compensation for Isreal and it would increase the nation's security by pushing the border further out. It would also create a permanent punishment for terror attacks.

The message from Isreal. "Get off our land! You surrendered it when you attacked us from that land. We're taking it over, get the F out."

Isreal, the U.S., and the rest of the Western nations need to grow some cajones.

 

[magomago]

this is the worst idea I have ever heard.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Here is my solution for Isreal's problem. For every Isreali civilian killed by terrorist attacks, whether from Hamas or Hezbolla, righteously and rightfully claim ownership of one square mile of Palestinian or Lebanese territory. For every seriously wounded civilian, claim 1/2 a square mile.

As the number of civilian casualties build, you move your border one mile out. So if the border between Isreal and Lebanon were, say, 50 miles wide, then when 50 civilians have been killed (or 25 killed and 50 wounded), then you claim ownership of that 50 x 1 mile strip and move in to occupy it, clearing out all of the people who live there.

This would put pressure on civilians in these areas to string up the terrorists who are using them as human shields and pawns and also it would provide compensation for Isreal and it would increase the nation's security by pushing the border further out. It would also create a permanent punishment for terror attacks.

The message from Isreal. "Get off our land! You surrendered it when you attacked us from that land. We're taking it over, get the F out."

Isreal, the U.S., and the rest of the Western nations need to grow some cajones.

You mean it would put pressure on the civillians to take up arms against Israel?

This is probably the worst idea of all time.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper


Isreal, the U.S., and the rest of the Western nations need to grow some cajones.

Well it sounds like you have some cajones to spare. I love you big tough talking armchair generals, you are so cute sometimes.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Why is it so awful? It seems like justice. A nation that upholds the values of Western Civilization becomes stronger and people who want to force their religious mysticism and barbarism on others are weakened. It's just taking the spoils of winning a military conflict. Also, shouldn't there be negative consequences for provoking a military conflict?

What do you guys think Isreal should do? Bomb the enemy with flowers and boxes of chocolate? What would you do--roll over and say, "Please, please don't hurt us! We just want peace."? Would you not retaliate against Hezbollah? Would you send the message, "It's OK to come in and kill our people any time you want. We love you guys."?

 

[jpeyton]

Hi WhipperSnapper. Are you a member of the Israeli Parliament? Are you an Israeli Government Official of any rank?

If you answered no to the above questions, please wake up and come back to reality.

Kthxbye.

 

[5150Joker]

LOL @ the OP. Dumbest suggestion ever by someone not living in reality.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hi WhipperSnapper. Are you a member of the Israeli Parliament? Are you an Israeli Government Official of any rank?

If you answered no to the above questions, please wake up and come back to reality.

I'm an atheist and an advocate of reason. As I see it, Isreal stands for the values of Western Civilization and (in general) the concept of individual rights even if it still suffers from religious collectivism to a small degree. In contrast, the Arab societies stand for primative religious mysticism, collectivism, and religious dictatorship.

That's why I'm on the side of Isreal. Isreal is much more representative of my values than, say, Iran, Syria, or the Palestinians.

Why Western nations ever allowed these guys to nationalize the oil fields, I have no idea. Why allow people whose underlying philosophy would never allow them to discover the oil beneath the sands, nor figure out a way to extract it and purify it, nor to invent combustion engines, nor to find a good use for the oil to own such a valuable resource and asset is beyond me.

 

[trance247]

Israel is a tiger on a leash, it can dish out but it can't hunt

 

[jpeyton]

I really could care less about your beliefs. I'm just worried that every know-it-all in front of their computer is going to start posting completely off-the-wall hypothetical solutions to problems, and this forum is going to be less about actual news and more about things not based in reality.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hi WhipperSnapper. Are you a member of the Israeli Parliament? Are you an Israeli Government Official of any rank?

If you answered no to the above questions, please wake up and come back to reality.

I'm an atheist and an advocate of reason. As I see it, Isreal stands for the values of Western Civilization and (in general) the concept of individual rights even if it still suffers from religious collectivism to a small degree. In contrast, the Arab societies stand for primative religious mysticism, collectivism, and religious dictatorship.

That's why I'm on the side of Isreal. Isreal is much more representative of my values than, say, Iran, Syria, or the Palestinians.

Why Western nations ever allowed these guys to nationalize the oil fields, I have no idea. Why allow people whose underlying philosophy would never allow them to discover the oil beneath the sands, nor figure out a way to extract it and purify it, nor to invent combustion engines, nor to find a good use for the oil to own such a valuable resource and asset is beyond me.

You point of view is that same that Europeans had as they were pillaging Africa, "well these people are savages, they don't know any better, our role is that of the gentle father, helping to guide them."

Also, all of your descriptions of Arab societies apply equally to Christian zealouts in this country.

 

[lozina]

WhipperSnapper's ideal solution to organized guerilla groups who were established to fight off Israeli occupation is.... to occupy more land! Brilliant!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Also, all of your descriptions of Arab societies apply equally to Christian zealouts in this country.

I'm still waiting to hear what people suggest as a solution. Just roll-over and not do anything real to defend yourself? Shower your victimizers with goodies?

As for the Christian zealots in this country; I'm not a fan of theirs either and I'd love to go after the groups that attack abortion clinics.

 

[RightIsWrong]

In regards to the OPs suggestion, does Israel also LOSE one square mile for every innocent civilian that they kill? If so, the Arabs will have exactly what they want....a ME without Israel.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: lozina
WhipperSnapper's ideal solution to organized guerilla groups who were established to fight off Israeli occupation is.... to occupy more land! Brilliant!

Not merely occupy--but to force anyone who's on the land to leave and to then take full ownership of the now vacant land. Wouldn't you agree that owning land is good and a value?

I feel badly for the innocent people who are currently on that land, but getting dispossessed and being forced to seek out new lands to live in can happen to you when your neighbors are the Hezbollah. This is why people need to band together and form potent governments, such as forming a Lebanese government that would have exterminated the Hezbollah in the same way that a U.S. government would work to eradicate a gang of terrorists that was attacking Canada.

 

[Lemon law]

Why the idea has some merit but lacks some balance,

But needs some balance---for every Israelie killed---award The State of Israel some land in compensation---for every innocent non-combatent Palistinian or Lebanese killed take away an equalvalent amount of land from Israel. When the State of Israel has a combined terroritory of one sqare inch---mid-east problem solved for good.

Lets see if I have my butchers bill stats correct in the recent flareup----------Israelies killed by rockets--------way less than a 100

Lebanese civilians killed by Israelie bombings-----------at least 700

So 700-100=600----------------------now how much land shall the State of Israel forfeit----I shall put the question to the OP Whipper Snapper.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
In regards to the OPs suggestion, does Israel also LOSE one square mile for every innocent civilian that they kill? If so, the Arabs will have exactly what they want....a ME without Israel.

No, since Isreal didn't initiate the conflict. Also, Hezbollah is responsible for those civilian deaths for locating its facilities in civilian areas, especially its rocket launchers.

If Isreal had really wanted to kill civilians, I'm sure that it could have reduced Lebanon to a lifeless radioactive wasteland by now. In contrast, I suspect that Isreal has actually gone out of its way to try to avoid civilian casualties. You can't say that for the Hezbollah which, instead of trying to attack Isreali military targets head-on, prefers to launch rockets indiscriminantly into civilian areas.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Here's a great op-ed that's consistent with my view:

The Indispensible Condition of Peace

Only when the initiators of force learn that their actions lead to their own destruction, will peace be possible in the Middle East.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: ayabe
Also, all of your descriptions of Arab societies apply equally to Christian zealouts in this country.

I'm still waiting to hear what people suggest as a solution. Just roll-over and not do anything real to defend yourself? Shower your victimizers with goodies?
.

How about Israel gets it's original borders, no more, no less. It can defend itself in a reasonable fashion from then on.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Todd33

How about Israel gets it's original borders, no more, no less. It can defend itself in a reasonable fashion from then on.

The problem is that those borders would leave the nation very vulnerable and the land it's now occupying was obtained in previous wars, if my understanding is correct.

If your plan were to be carried out, would you agree that Isreal could claim ownership of the land of any nation that attacked it from there on out?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: ayabe
Also, all of your descriptions of Arab societies apply equally to Christian zealouts in this country.

I'm still waiting to hear what people suggest as a solution. Just roll-over and not do anything real to defend yourself? Shower your victimizers with goodies?

Here's my suggestion, move everyone out of Israel, Gaza, the whole area, including Jerusalem.

All the nuclear powers should simultaenously launch off of their warheads into the area and completely irradicate it, making it permanenetly uninhabitable.

Problem solved, in fact it would finish nuclear disarmamant started in the 80's, and people wounldn't be able to fight anymore over land supposedly behooved to them in a fairy tale.

Now, is my suggestion any more outlandish than yours?

I think not.

If you really want to change people's minds, don't link to an article from an Ayn Rand cult, hero to selfish capitalists everywhere.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If you really want to condemn the Ayn Rand Institute's non-pacifist op-ed, why not go about critiquing it?

Also, in all seriousness, what is your solution to the problem? What do you suggest? Would you put forth a solution that would allow the Arabs and Islamacists to win this round?

 

[Lemon law]

Well Whipper Snapper-------I too am in an area where I am surrounded by many neighbors----and if any one of my neighbors attacks me I am vulnerable----so you are saying I should just get pre-emtive and kill my neighbors one by one?===so I have a buffer zone---that I and not my neighbors deserve---because I the superior one, am the only one in my neighborhood that has superior rights.

Well I have this other plan----and it works quite well, I don't piss my neighbors off----and miricle of miricless they treat me quite well in return. I have lived where I am living for over 15 years---and not once has any of my neighbors trespassed on the others rights.

But if I have a neighbor that hates me, one of the first questions that will be logically asked is----why do they hate me?---but one question that won't be asked is why they hate me more if I over-retaliate.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I suppose that you'd adopt a "Turn the other cheek" philosophy and do away with the police department? Just let child molestors, rapists, burglars, and mass murderers run around freely since you don't want anyone to hate you?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Todd33
How about Israel gets it's original borders, no more, no less. It can defend itself in a reasonable fashion from then on.

Oh, oh! Sore Loser Alert!!!

The neighboring countries didn't accept the parition plan in 1948, so why should Israel renounce land that it was forced to take?

EDIT: Are you arguing that the Arabs should get a "Start Over" magic card, in case they don't like the outcome of what they were responsible for creating?