Solution for Isreal -- begin annexing land.

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

If you really want to condemn the Ayn Rand Institute's non-pacifist op-ed, why not go about critiquing it?

Also, in all seriousness, what is your solution to the problem? What do you suggest? Would you put forth a solution that would allow the Arabs and Islamacists to win this round?

I guess that's where you and I differ, I think they have already won this round.

Ok here's my solution:

1. Israel must release all political prisoners, Hamas, Hezbo, etc should do the same.

2. Palestinians must accept a two state solution(which will never happen)

3. Militias should be outlawed, disarmed, no exceptions.

4. The US must stop all aid to Israel so that we can be looked upon as an honest broker.

This would be a start to solving the problem.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Here's a great op-ed that's consistent with my view:

The Indispensible Condition of Peace

Only when the initiators of force learn that their actions lead to their own destruction, will peace be possible in the Middle East.

Problem is, the intiators of force are the Israelis. They're the ones that sudenly decided to steal some land from arabs and re-establish a country that had been dead for more than a thousand years.

 

[imported_dna]

Check your history book monkey-boy. The UN divided Palestine, and the Arabs attacked.
Get your facts straight.

 

[skooma]

wow, funny stuff OP. let me know when you detox so that i'll know when to possibly take you seriously.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

You have a better idea?

Nice nickname, btw. You could have just said, "Stop drinking that skooma like a drunken Khaajit, and get serious, you stupid Outlander." (Reference is to the game Morrowind, for those who don't recognize it.)

 

[Jaskalas]

To the OP, may as well take the entire Middle East to war then.

 

[kylebisme]

Final boarders are the solution, there can be no peace until there is resolution. Unfortunately Israel has never shown any intent of accepting a fair resolution but rather keeps taking more land where ever the government deems fit.

 

[imported_dna]

Funny, I recall this peace treaty with Egypt, where Israel gave up Sinai.
Ah, silly me, you're advocating a world in which there are no consequences for a country that acts as an agressor. :roll:

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If there isn't a punishment, such as the permanent loss of land, for knowingly and even gladly harborring terrorists, then what is the deterrence?

 

[kylebisme]

I'm advocating a world in which the consequences for aggressors do not inherently provoke more aggression.

 

[imported_dna]

Ah, so you wish to stop the cycle of agression at a point that is convenient to you?
Nice try.

 

[kylebisme]

I'm sorry, at what point would you find it convenient to stop this cycle of aggression?

 

[imported_dna]

You speak in general terms, while I've address particular details such as the disarming of Hezbollah.
In the other thread you are still arguing that Hezbollah hasn't agreed to anything.
Seems to me like you want to Israel to stop attacking Hezbollah, while Hezbollah can keep its options open, continue to undermine the Lebanese government, and restock it's rocket supplies.

 

[kylebisme]

I'm not arguing that Hezbollah hasn't agreed to anything, I'm interested in exactly what was agreed upon in this supposed cease-fire. I want to see as little attacking from either side as we can possibly manage, and that is exactly why I supported the supposed cease-fire am now curious to understand how that was broken.

 

[imported_dna]

screech has just answer this question for you in the other thread.
I don't know what you want us to say -- fact is that Hezbollah could do whatever it wants, and could as well start a civil war in Lebanon to maintain its armed status.
Anyway, the general understanding that the UNSC resolution was drafted based on input from Israel and Lebanon, and since Lebanon has two Hezbollah MPs, it is assumed that Hezbollah's position was represetnted.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Completley OT-

dna, where you from?

 

[imported_dna]

Heh, from the "west".

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: dna
Check your history book monkey-boy. The UN divided Palestine, and the Arabs attacked.
Get your facts straight.

lol. so your saying that there wasn't a mass migration from europe and the americans to a place in the middleeast to which almost none of them could trace their lineage realistically?

 

[Future Shock]

OP - where on earth do you get that taking LEBANESE land was a solution to a non-governmental party, a vermin, a parasite, that most Lebansese did not WANT to be there??? That's a great idea - let's see: if this parasite can provoke Israel, then Israel can take Lebanese land, despite the fact that Israel itself has said that the Lebanese army are too weak to kick Hezzlolah out of their country. Despite that the one thing most Lebanese have wanted is to be left the F*CK alone by Syria, Iran, Israel, and Hezbollah to rebuild their country???

AHHH - I GET IT - THE OP CANNOT TELL ARABS FROM ARABS....if one Arab does a bad thing, then the rest must be complicit, and they must all suffer!!! Isn't that it, simpleton?

Go crawl back into a hole - the ONE Arab democracy that has shown 10+ years of actually working is Lebanon, with a working, consitutional, elected government with representation from all main religious factions engineered by law, on the verge of finally wresting control of their internal politics entirely from Syrian control, at the peak of a real estate and business re-building spree, and you and Israel can't wait to put them back in the Stone Age. Great going...idiots.

Future Shock

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

If there isn't a punishment, such as the permanent loss of land, for knowingly and even gladly harborring terrorists, then what is the deterrence?

almost every country in the world willingly harbors someone considered to be a terrorist by someone else.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
lol. so your saying that there wasn't a mass migration from europe and the americans to a place in the middleeast to which almost none of them could trace their lineage realistically?

Your ability to read in between the lines is remarkable!

As I've said already in another thread -- what happened was a demographic change over a period of 50 years, as around 0.5 million Jews immigrated.

In the past few decades there has been Muslim immigration into Europe, ranging in the millions. Would you like to argue that they are stealing European land?

Change in demographic does not automatically mean a theft of anything. It is up to you to prove that something was stolen.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
almost every country in the world willingly harbors someone considered to be a terrorist by someone else.

That's some grand assertion -- care to back it up with a list?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Future Shock
Go crawl back into a hole - the ONE Arab democracy that has shown 10+ years of actually working is Lebanon, with a working, consitutional, elected government with representation from all main religious factions engineered by law, on the verge of finally wresting control of their internal politics entirely from Syrian control, at the peak of a real estate and business re-building spree, and you and Israel can't wait to put them back in the Stone Age. Great going...idiots.

Yeah, Israel just could wait to blow all those millions of dollars on air sorties and ammunition. Also, it just could wait to get hit economically due to:

1. Closed factories
2. Closed businesses
3. Closed Haifa port
4. Damaged buildings
5. Loss of turism revenue

Yep, those zionist pigs really pulled a fast one this time.

Go jumpstart your brain with a 9v battery shock to the tongue.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Future Shock
Go crawl back into a hole - the ONE Arab democracy that has shown 10+ years of actually working is Lebanon, with a working, consitutional, elected government with representation from all main religious factions engineered by law, on the verge of finally wresting control of their internal politics entirely from Syrian control, at the peak of a real estate and business re-building spree, and you and Israel can't wait to put them back in the Stone Age. Great going...idiots.

Yeah, Israel just could wait to blow all those millions of dollars on air sorties and ammunition. Also, it just could wait to get hit economically due to:

1. Closed factories
2. Closed businesses
3. Closed Haifa port
4. Damaged buildings
5. Loss of turism revenue

Yep, those zionist pigs really pulled a fast one this time.

Go jumpstart your brain with a 9v battery shock to the tongue.

Your posts, beside being short of logic, spelling, grammar, and historical accuracy, are very funny.

BTW - Israel was not attacked with rockets by Hezzbolah until after they flew air sorties against Hezzbolah on LEBANESE land - oops, did we forget that? It was the attack on a neutral country by Israel that lent legitimacy to the Hezzbolah rocket attacks - even to the the Christian Lebanese who had fought WITH ISRAEL during the Civil War. Imagine that - doing something so stupid that you enrage and alienate the non-Muslim Arab allies that fought WITH you during a decade of civil war against common, terrorist enemies and Syria.

Your knowledge of this area and it's history border on kindergarten coloring books...please try to stay within the lines.

Future Shock

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Future Shock
Your posts, beside being short of logic, spelling, grammar, and historical accuracy, are very funny.

If you think I'm gonna spellcheck and make sure everything is nice and neat just for you, then you are delusional beyond redemption.

[/quote]BTW - Israel was not attacked with rockets by Hezzbolah until after they flew air sorties against Hezzbolah on LEBANESE land - oops, did we forget that?[/quote]

No point in quoting the rest of your nonsense, since it's not worth the wasted bits.
You obviously don't know much about the history of the region, or you are very selective.

Here's a bit about you Hezbollah friends, so you might wake up from your dream:

AIN EBEL, LEBANON -- Therese Asrouni felt no love for either side as she watched an intense firefight between Israeli soldiers and Hezbollah guerrillas out her window yesterday. She loathed them both for once more turning her tiny tobacco-farming community into a war zone. Residents of Ain Ebel say Hezbollah has been drawing fire toward the Christian village by launching Katyusha rockets from the nearby tobacco fields, just a few hundred metres from Ms. Asrouni's home. The militants leave when Israel returns fire, witnesses said.

BTW, I underestimated the problem -- try a 12v battery.