Solution to Africa's hunger problem

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Calin
A great lake is not enough to create rain - you would need also some kind of good meteo environments or else the vaporised water won't transform to rain, or it would rain so much and so fast that would wash everything in sight

I wasn't looking to changing the environment drastically - just add additional moisture to the air to increase the chances of saturation of existing fronts.

It won't work. The Sahara desert lies against the Atlantic ocean, and even that doesn't make a difference. You're not going to be able to change weather patterns.

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Besides, most of the starving people live below the Sahara desert. If they just knew what they were doing they could grow stuff. But they're stupid and squander all their resources.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Kalbi
1) Military invasion.
2) Secure oil fields.
3) Give locals smallpox blankets
4) profit!

fixed.

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Kalbi
1) Military invasion.
2) Secure oil fields.
3) Give locals smallpox blankets
4) profit!

fixed.

I think productive africans that provide cheap labor (imagine an alternative to China) is more profitable than a few decades of cheap oil. Plus wat would you do with all the dead bodies?

 

[iamtrout]

"AK-47's for everyone!"

Personally I would upgrade them with shoes.


How much of the weather can we change? Is there a really good way to create rain?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: iamtrout
"AK-47's for everyone!"

Personally I would upgrade them with shoes.


How much of the weather can we change? Is there a really good way to create rain?

Hahaha.

I think "run through the sprinkler" would be a better solution

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Kalbi
1) Military invasion.
2) Secure oil fields.
3) Give locals smallpox blankets
4) profit!

fixed.

I think productive africans that provide cheap labor (imagine an alternative to China) is more profitable than a few decades of cheap oil. Plus wat would you do with all the dead bodies?

the survivors can bury them. :evil:

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Kalbi
1) Military invasion.
2) Secure oil fields.
3) Give locals smallpox blankets
4) profit!

fixed.

I think productive africans that provide cheap labor (imagine an alternative to China) is more profitable than a few decades of cheap oil. Plus wat would you do with all the dead bodies?

the survivors can bury them. :evil:

....so wrong but i rofled hehe...

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: iamtrout
"AK-47's for everyone!"

Personally I would upgrade them with shoes.


How much of the weather can we change? Is there a really good way to create rain?

Definitly upgrade those shoes, possibly a toxin resistance too.

C&C Generals is pretty good

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: iamtrout
"AK-47's for everyone!"

Personally I would upgrade them with shoes.


How much of the weather can we change? Is there a really good way to create rain?

Definitly upgrade those shoes, possibly a toxin resistance too.

C&C Generals is pretty good

My friends and I play all the time. We should get a massive game going.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
And do not let them starve.

Instead, let's build them some agriculture.

What they need is one of those deep sea pipelines that pull very cold water with almost no effort. Run it right to Niger, and dump the water into a man-made resevoir. This saltwater lake can host several saltwater varieties of fish. The extra water will evaporate and help build moisture into the air and encourage more rain. Along the pipeline, the cold will sweat water out of the area and encourage plant growth - this area would be planted with different varieties of nitrogen-fixing beans.

When the people can produce their own food, the warlords will have less control of them, and will eventually fade away. New local governments could form to help support education and healthcare.

I nominate you for the Anandtech Peace Prize.....

that is if Moonbeam will give it up....and you can implement it.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SagaLore
And do not let them starve.

Instead, let's build them some agriculture.

What they need is one of those deep sea pipelines that pull very cold water with almost no effort. Run it right to Niger, and dump the water into a man-made resevoir. This saltwater lake can host several saltwater varieties of fish. The extra water will evaporate and help build moisture into the air and encourage more rain. Along the pipeline, the cold will sweat water out of the area and encourage plant growth - this area would be planted with different varieties of nitrogen-fixing beans.

When the people can produce their own food, the warlords will have less control of them, and will eventually fade away. New local governments could form to help support education and healthcare.

I nominate you for the Anandtech Peace Prize.....

that is if Moonbeam will give it up....and you can implement it.

Dude...don't mess with moonbeam. He'll shank you if you try to grab his peace prize, yo. He may seem nonviolent, but appearances can decieve.

 

[Hammerhead]

Why don't they just migrate to a better environment.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Why don't they just migrate to a better environment.

:roll:

You honestly think they wouldn't if they could? Most people in Africa are dirt poor.
We should just let them solve their own problems. We have enough problems as it is. The help that we give them mostly goes to waste because of the corrupt gov't anyway.

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Why don't they just migrate to a better environment.

:roll:

You honestly think they wouldn't if they could? Most people in Africa are dirt poor.
We should just let them solve their own problems. We have enough problems as it is. The help that we give them mostly goes to waste because of the corrupt gov't anyway.

imperialize dammit!

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I nominate you for the Anandtech Peace Prize.....

that is if Moonbeam will give it up....and you can implement it.

Dude...don't mess with moonbeam. He'll shank you if you try to grab his peace prize, yo. He may seem nonviolent, but appearances can decieve.

Does he still use the Clown avatar? Clowns scare me.

 

[eigen]

Easier and cheaper:

solution

They are all gone then and we can move in and set up really cheap resort communities.

 

[bandana163]

They couldn't "generously" give them aid if they could take care of themselves, duh.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Sadly, giving them running water could ruin their social structure. This once happened with my old college writing teacher's friend (who came in to speak to us about other cultures). She was a part of the Peace Corps, and they were helping out a village in Africa, when they decided since teaching them how to be sanitary and such wasn't helping because water was such a scarce thing, they'd help by giving running water. And that in turn, would help them with their farmlands and with being sanitary. However, it ended up breaking up the village and slowly, people started to go to other villages. The reason being, going to fetch water, was their way of communicating with the others in their village... their way of "water cooler" talk. Without having to go out to the river, all they did was stay home or near their homes. No one bothered to find out about XX person or X person and see who was sick, who was pregnant, etc ... which eventally lead to the demise of the village.

So ... despite it *seeming* like it's a good idea ... it wasn't. If it was so easy ... it most likely, would have been done already.

Which only proves the point that village/tribal societies are primitive, prone to cause human suffering, and should not be encouraged to continue to exist.

I mean, read what you posted. You're basically saying that their ancient tribal system is more important their physical and economic well-being.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Sadly, giving them running water could ruin their social structure. This once happened with my old college writing teacher's friend (who came in to speak to us about other cultures). She was a part of the Peace Corps, and they were helping out a village in Africa, when they decided since teaching them how to be sanitary and such wasn't helping because water was such a scarce thing, they'd help by giving running water. And that in turn, would help them with their farmlands and with being sanitary. However, it ended up breaking up the village and slowly, people started to go to other villages. The reason being, going to fetch water, was their way of communicating with the others in their village... their way of "water cooler" talk. Without having to go out to the river, all they did was stay home or near their homes. No one bothered to find out about XX person or X person and see who was sick, who was pregnant, etc ... which eventally lead to the demise of the village.

So ... despite it *seeming* like it's a good idea ... it wasn't. If it was so easy ... it most likely, would have been done already.

Which only proves the point that village/tribal societies are primitive, prone to cause human suffering, and should not be encouraged to continue to exist.

I mean, read what you posted. You're basically saying that their ancient tribal system is more important their physical and economic well-being.

QFMFT

 

[So]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I nominate you for the Anandtech Peace Prize.....

that is if Moonbeam will give it up....and you can implement it.

Dude...don't mess with moonbeam. He'll shank you if you try to grab his peace prize, yo. He may seem nonviolent, but appearances can decieve.

Does he still use the Clown avatar? Clowns scare me.

No clue. I haven't seen him since the licked him away with the rest of the P&N loonies....

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: So
Didn't you hear? Doing anything that affects the environment is evil, even if it saves lives!

Also, they need meaningful political reforms first. If there is a governement that is stable, freely elected, and not a potential genocide danger.

QFT

 

[glenn1]

Actually, Sam Kinnison came up with a better answer many years ago....

"I'm like anyone else on this planet -- I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very depressed. I watch those kids and I go, 'Fvck, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!' There's a director five feet away going, 'DON'T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!' But I'm not trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people food. Don't send these people another bite, folks. You want to send them something, you want to help? Send them U-Hauls. Send them U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says, 'Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A FVCKING DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND! YOU LIVE IN A FVCKING DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SH!T, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, @SSHOLES!"

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Actually, Sam Kinnison came up with a better answer many years ago....

"I'm like anyone else on this planet -- I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very depressed. I watch those kids and I go, 'Fvck, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!' There's a director five feet away going, 'DON'T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!' But I'm not trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people food. Don't send these people another bite, folks. You want to send them something, you want to help? Send them U-Hauls. Send them U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says, 'Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A FVCKING DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND! YOU LIVE IN A FVCKING DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SH!T, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, @SSHOLES!"

Israel seems to be doing ok.

 

[rahvin]

Hunger isn't caused by lack of food it's always 100% political in nature and almost always involves war and warlords and is frequently a deliberate tactic.

 

[SupaDupaPan]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Sadly, giving them running water could ruin their social structure. This once happened with my old college writing teacher's friend (who came in to speak to us about other cultures). She was a part of the Peace Corps, and they were helping out a village in Africa, when they decided since teaching them how to be sanitary and such wasn't helping because water was such a scarce thing, they'd help by giving running water. And that in turn, would help them with their farmlands and with being sanitary. However, it ended up breaking up the village and slowly, people started to go to other villages. The reason being, going to fetch water, was their way of communicating with the others in their village... their way of "water cooler" talk. Without having to go out to the river, all they did was stay home or near their homes. No one bothered to find out about XX person or X person and see who was sick, who was pregnant, etc ... which eventally lead to the demise of the village.

So ... despite it *seeming* like it's a good idea ... it wasn't. If it was so easy ... it most likely, would have been done already.

Which only proves the point that village/tribal societies are primitive, prone to cause human suffering, and should not be encouraged to continue to exist.

I mean, read what you posted. You're basically saying that their ancient tribal system is more important their physical and economic well-being.

But see, the point is this, when say someone is sick, or someone is pregnant and the rest of the village don't hear about it to go "help" out, their health and welfare is threatened, and as a result, people die of this. They can't just go out and build irrigation and running water systems along with hospitals and schools to give to these people. It's hard enough getting them to use a lot of the things that are given to them, due to their superstitions and beliefs.

You can't just give them all these things, and expect them to be able to change over night and use them.

The only thing that really can be done, imo, is a lot of education and pushing so that they do start to change their way of thinking ... so eventually they will be able to use the things that are given to them.