Some 20 year old chick gets shot in the head, accidentally, in a church

[Jeeebus]

Irony:

For three months, my wife insists on parking the car about 20 feet back from our normal spot outside the house because there is a tree branch that she thinks is unstable and hangs over that spot.

Storm blows in, the tree branch she fears has no problem but the tree by our new spot splits in half and crushes the car.

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

 

[Ichinisan]

That's unfortunate. Did you mean to post a new thread instead of replying to this one?

...oh, probably joking about the "irony" thing in the OP.

Was it you that had the chainsaw accident?

 

[corwin]

You intentionally carry around a deadly weapon in case you need to kill someone and you are calling out someone else as paranoid? Pot meet kettle...

So you're paranoid for having a fire extinguisher or wearing a seat belt?

So guns should be regulated similarly to cars, no?

They are more so, to buy one you have to pass a background check, anyone can buy a car...almost anywhere you need a permit to carry one in public as well...anymore straws you wanna grasp at?

I didn't say that. But this guy is now personally responsible for critically injuring a young girl because he chose to bring a firearm to church. If he left it at home this wouldn't have happened, that is a fact. No crimes were thwarted by his being armed that day, that is also a fact.

More people carrying guns around will mean more accidents. People are fallible.

No he's responsible because he chose to handle it irresponsibly, it could have happened just as easily if he was dumb with it at home or at a shooting range, more people are carrying now than ever before and there has been no statistically significant increase in accidents

 

[Ichinisan]

... more people are carrying now than ever before and there has been no statistically significant increase in accidents

If you mean, "higher percentage of people carrying now than ever before," then I disagree.

 

[corwin]

If you mean, "higher percentage of people carrying now than ever before," then I disagree.

that doesn't make you right though...

 

[irishScott]

The numbers do not lie. Most of the time a gun used for protection will more often than not hurt someone who is not a criminal. At no point in time should he have removed that weapon, unless he intended on using it or at a range or something.

Yes, and what numbers might those be?

 

[JulesMaximus]

No he's responsible because he chose to handle it irresponsibly, it could have happened just as easily if he was dumb with it at home or at a shooting range, more people are carrying now than ever before and there has been no statistically significant increase in accidents

Really? Do you have any statistics to back that up? Because I'm betting you pulled that out of your ass.

 

[Ichinisan]

that doesn't make you right though...

Almost 100% of adults had a firearm (or multiple) in the frontier days.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Almost 100% of adults had a firearm (or multiple) in the frontier days.

I have multiple firearms. I never carry them when I'm out in public though.

 

[irishScott]

it takes effort to carry a gun around. It's a good 5 pounds or so, right? TO justify this inconvenience while going in public places, you have to imagine that you might need to use it. which is why the pro-gun people talk about worst case scenarios to justify their carrying around a weapon in public.

A girl got shot in church. The gun should not have been allowed in church to begin with. There actually are laws against guns in public places like churches, but the gun lobby has worked against them in recent years.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do some basic, 1+1=2 research before talking like you know anything. It's like someone who's never been in a car telling me how to drive and park.

Here's your average concealed-carry-permit holder's handgun: http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/models.html

I'll let you read the weight.

As for guns in public places, I can pull up several stories where concealed carry permits have saved lives if you like.

 

[corwin]

Really? Do you have any statistics to back that up? Because I'm betting you pulled that out of your ass

Almost 100% of adults had a firearm (or multiple) in the frontier days.

We're talking about carrying a firearm here, and due to population growth the frontier days aren't really even in the running...however just to put it out there here's some simple little pictures for you to look at...
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2011/03/the-spread-of-concealed-carry-firearms-laws-over-the-last-25-years.html

Considering how many states issue permits now that didn't before it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out more people are carrying now than ever

 

[corwin]

I have multiple firearms. I never carry them when I'm out in public though

That's your choice and you should be proud you have that choice...however if you chose to would you be a danger to all those around you simply because you had it?

 

[irishScott]

We're talking about carrying a firearm here, and due to population growth the frontier days aren't really even in the running...however just to put it out there here's some simple little pictures for you to look at...
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2011/03/the-spread-of-concealed-carry-firearms-laws-over-the-last-25-years.html

Considering how many states issue permits now that didn't before it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out more people are carrying now than ever

Yep. And it's also notable that despite the rare accident, no state that has adopted a shall-issue concealed carry policy (dozens) has ever repealed it. Ever. It makes me glad to see gun-grabbers being exposed for what they are. Ignorant statistic quoting morons who don't even bother to know their own enemy.

 

[JulesMaximus]

We're talking about carrying a firearm here, and due to population growth the frontier days aren't really even in the running...however just to put it out there here's some simple little pictures for you to look at...
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/new...rry-firearms-laws-over-the-last-25-years.html

Considering how many states issue permits now that didn't before it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out more people are carrying now than ever

Sorry but that does absolutely nothing to prove the statement you made.

 

[Ichinisan]

... more people are carrying now than ever before and there has been no statistically significant increase in accidents

If you mean, "higher percentage of people carrying now than ever before," then I disagree.

that doesn't make you right though...

Almost 100% of adults had a firearm (or multiple) in the frontier days.

We're talking about carrying a firearm here, and due to population growth the frontier days aren't really even in the running...

I phrased it in a way so you could clarify what you meant, but you contradicted yourself. We agree that a higher percentage of the population had firearms in the frontier days.

 

[JulesMaximus]

That's your choice and you should be proud you have that choice...however if you chose to would you be a danger to all those around you simply because you had it?

Actually, I don't have that choice. California is one of the states that, for the most part, doesn't issue concealed carry permits (I guess if you live out in the middle of nowhere they issue them but they do not issue them in the places most of us live-Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco etc).

So, while I own guns, I cannot carry them in public. Nor do I really want to...

 

[irishScott]

Sorry but that does absolutely nothing to prove the statement you made.

Actually it kinda does. Logically speaking, there were tons of states with no-issue who changed to shall-issue. It's a fact that people took advantage of these changes. Ergo more people are carrying now than 30 years ago.

The sales numbers for small sub-compact carry weapons further support this assertion.

 

[Ichinisan]

...anyway, I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but I've never even owned a firearm.

 

[thecrecarc]

While the story is an unfortunate event, to claim that "Look, accidents happens with guns! They should be banned!" is ridiculous. Accidents happen with everything, cars crash and people die, should they be banned? People trip with scissors and stab someone, should they be banned? People fail at skydiving and fall to their deaths, should that be banned?

The people in the OP were reckless, and should be charged as such. That's it.

 

[corwin]

I phrased it in a way so you could clarify what you meant, but you contradicted yourself. We agree that a higher percentage of the population had firearms in the frontier days.

You got me...by "percentage" maybe...however in modern times concealed carry is higher now than it's ever been

Actually, I don't have that choice. California is one of the states that, for the most part, doesn't issue concealed carry permits (I guess if you live out in the middle of nowhere they issue them but they do not issue them in the places most of us live-Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco etc).

So, while I own guns, I cannot carry them in public. Nor do I really want to...

Oops...missed that you were in Kalifornia...but again that's your choice to make whether you even want to try to get one

 

[corwin]

...anyway, I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but I've never even owned a firearm.

 

[micrometers]

While the story is an unfortunate event, to claim that "Look, accidents happens with guns! They should be banned!" is ridiculous. Accidents happen with everything, cars crash and people die, should they be banned? People trip with scissors and stab someone, should they be banned? People fail at skydiving and fall to their deaths, should that be banned?

The people in the OP were reckless, and should be charged as such. That's it.

While I do support doing away with the 2nd amendment, ITT I'm simply saying that the law should prohibit firearms from being carried in public places, period.

 

[irishScott]

While the story is an unfortunate event, to claim that "Look, accidents happens with guns! They should be banned!" is ridiculous. Accidents happen with everything, cars crash and people die, should they be banned? People trip with scissors and stab someone, should they be banned? People fail at skydiving and fall to their deaths, should that be banned?

The people in the OP were reckless, and should be charged as such. That's it.

Yep. The real can of worms is gun licensing. Comes down to whether you trust the gov with that info, which thankfully most people don't.

 

[corwin]

While I do support doing away with the 2nd amendment, ITT I'm simply saying that the law should prohibit firearms from being carried in public places, period.

I hope you mean "don't support"...however I'm glad the majority of the US doesn't agree with you since, as has been shown, CCW laws have been opening up en-mass for the past 15 years or so and crime has been dropping...are they related? Maybe but considering accidents haven't been going up either I don't see why anyone would want to chance it.

 

[Ichinisan]

Took the free class. Used the officers' Glocks (both mock-ups and real ones with air bullets) in an advanced training simulator. Then used my mother's firearms at the officers' shooting range for the other part of the class.