Somehow I doubt if you can't logically see the fallacy of your statement that there's anything I could say to make you see reason...however there are many firearms designed specifically for target shooting and hunting. Can they all be used to kill a person? Absolutely...but they were designed (manufactured if you will) for specific sports/purposes, none of which were killing someone.
HAHA...you're almost cute there even admitting that 1% were manufactured for something other than killing people is an accomplishment, bravo!And the other 99% of firearms models?
And the other 99% of firearms models?
Almost missed your ninja edit...yes there are people watching out for "clever" back-door attempts to take away our constitutional (where did you get god-given?) right to own firearms, and I do take pleasure in owning one and pride in the skill it takes to accurately fire it, what makes you say that like it's a bad thing? The "need" for one is somewhat irrelevant, and honestly I hope I never do "need" it.
Considering how anal-retentive the sort of people who write anything law-related usually are, I find this a bit hard to believe. Especially the constitution. "Oh, well, you know what we meant really" doesn't really happen much in law. I think a lot of vested interests and gung-ho types were involved in ensuring that the misconception was upheld.The militia argument is a tired one, our supreme court has already held up the amendment as a personal right, having nothing to do with the military, as it was intended and understood when it was written.
The "average" person never has an accident with a firearm or uses it in a crime, how is it a bad thing?
Correct, you don't understand, even though you site our much higher crime rate...what does that have to do with anything I said about taking pleasure in owning one and hoping I never "need" it?But you were telling me many pages ago that I wouldn't understand what it's like in "your world", how much more dangerous it is, etc...
If it were written today by said anal-retentive legal types then yes it would much more specific, however it was written over 100 years ago by men who never saw how their words would be twisted later, things were much simpler back thenConsidering how anal-retentive the sort of people who write anything law-related usually are, I find this a bit hard to believe. Especially the constitution. "Oh, well, you know what we meant really" doesn't really happen much in law. I think a lot of vested interests and gung-ho types were involved in ensuring that the misconception was upheld.
Actually they do, maybe not yours and not mine as of yet however many, many others have and do every single day...to say they don't is not very honest.Nor do they prevent any crimes with them. I've owned guns for over 20 years, never had an accident, never used any of them to prevent a crime... never used them to commit a crime either. Just sayin.
About the only thing I've done with them over the years is modify a couple of them, poke holes in paper targets with them, and clean them. That's F'ng fun though!
I don't think you know much about firearms. Most models are for hunting, with the rest for defensive use or target. For example, a shotgun meant for duck or bird is not very effective at killing a person. A 22 target pistol is not very effective at killing a person. A high powered rifle with a scope is difficult to aim and hit something close, etc.
Correct, you don't understand, even though you site our much higher crime rate...what does that have to do with anything I said about taking pleasure in owning one and hoping I never "need" it?
If it were written today by said anal-retentive legal types then yes it would much more specific, however it was written over 100 years ago by men who never saw how their words would be twisted later, things were much simpler back then
Actually they do, maybe not yours and not mine as of yet however many, many others have and do every single day...to say they don't is not very honest.
And again shooting paper is soo much fun:wub: Spent my lunch today putting 280 rounds through my AR with a buddy
How many people do you know who've had an "accident" like the OP with their guns or have used them in crimes? I'm going to guess 0 most likely...I know none of mine have and the vast majority of the people I know own one or more, hell most of the people I work with do too...but I also know of at least 2 that have used them in self defense, luckily neither actually had to kill them thoughOh, I'm sure someone somewhere does... just nobody I've ever met. And quite a few of my friends own at least 1 gun.
How many people do you know who've had an "accident" like the OP with their guns or have used them in crimes? I'm going to guess 0 most likely...I know none of mine have and the vast majority of the people I know own one or more, hell most of the people I work with do too...but I also know of at least 2 that have used them in self defense, luckily neither actually had to kill them though
Ugh. I hope she turns out ok. Messed up situation.
Unfortunate situation and I would have sold it as well...One of my friends had one of his guns stolen many years ago though. He had it in the trunk of his car and the car was stolen. He got the car back a couple days later, stripped. Gun was missing of course. He actually got the gun back a couple years ago. Two Sheriff's deputies showed up at his house asking about the gun because it was used in a crime. He had reported it stolen but of course it never was registered properly so when the gun showed up it still linked to him as the owner.
He was able to pick the gun up about a month later but he immediately sold it. It was a Sig P230.
Nothing says "I love you" like shooting your lover in the head.
Accidentally indeed
Yeah just the other week I dropped a knife and it flew through a wall into the head of my girlfriend in the next room, it's so easy to do damn it.
Again. This was no accident. It was negligent and likely reckless endangerment. Charge him. There were acts of either of those that caused it.
Hell whenever I load unload my weapons or even handle them muzzle is in a direction that I'm ok if a bullet going out of it. Some dude swept his muzzle in my direction investigating a failure and I ducked and cussed him out. Safety first and foremost.
it takes effort to carry a gun around. It's a good 5 pounds or so, right? TO justify this inconvenience while going in public places, you have to imagine that you might need to use it. which is why the pro-gun people talk about worst case scenarios to justify their carrying around a weapon in public.
A girl got shot in church. The gun should not have been allowed in church to begin with. There actually are laws against guns in public places like churches, but the gun lobby has worked against them in recent years.
Only in extremely rare cases should police officers carry guns, in the UK we have armed response units and some serious organised crime officers with guns, the rest do not.
You can't plan for everything. I think I learned that when my son was born. No matter how much you prepare you'll still be overwhelmed.
I'm not even advocating removing guns or restricting them. I just question those who feel the need to be armed all the time. Take a good look at yourself and your reasons for wanting to carry a gun.
I own guns and I don't really want the responsibility. It has nothing to do with whether I think the cops will be there to protect me, it has to do with the likelihood of me being the victim of a crime, which is slim in my daily travels, vs the hassle and responsibility of carrying a gun.
but why not take action on the things you can plan for, like carrying a gun, having a fire extinguisher, car insurance, wearing a seatbelt?
Because carrying a gun is illegal in my state. I doubt I would carry one even if it were legal though. I just don't see the need quite frankly. I think I would be far more likely to get into an automobile accident than need a gun...by a long shot (no pun intended).
You don't live in California anymore?
What's ironic about it?
I want to know how that guy managed to get a concealed weapons permit and somehow forgot about the riound in the chamber.