Some good news from Iraq

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I take this with a grain of salt because of the political position this man is in and article 88 prevents any besmirching of his leadership but here it is.

This is an open letter from U.S. Army Maj. Eric Rydbom in Iraq to the First Lutheran Church of Richmond Beach in Shoreline, Wash. Rydbom is Deputy Division Engineer of the 4th Infantry Division.

It has been a while since I have written to my friends at First Lutheran Church about what's really going on here in Iraq. The news you watch on TV is exaggerated, sensationalized and selective. Good news doesn't sell.

The stuff you don't hear about on CNN?

Let's start with electrical power production in Iraq. The day after the war was declared over, there was nearly 0 power being generated in Iraq. Just 45 days later, in a partnership between the Army, the Iraqi people and some private companies, there are now 3200 megawatts (Mw) of power being produced daily, 1/3 of the total national potential of 8000 Mw. Downed power lines (big stuff, 400 Kilovolt (Kv) and 132 Kv) are being repaired and are about 70 percent complete.

Then there is water purification. In central Iraq between Baghdad and Mosul, home of the 4th Infantry Division, water treatment was spotty at best. The facilities existed, but the controls were never implemented. Simple chemicals like Chlorine for purification and Alum (Aluminum Sulfate) for sediment settling (the Tigris River is about as clear as the Mississippi River) were in very short supply or not used at all. When chlorine was used, it was metered by the scientific method of guessing.

So some people got pool water to drink and some people got water with lots of little things floating around in it. We are slowly but surely solving that. Contracts for repairs to facilities that are only 50 percent or less operational are being let, chemicals are being delivered, although we don't have the metering problem solved yet ( ... but again, it's only been 45 days).

How about oil and fuel? Well the war was all about oil wasn't it? You bet it was. It was all about oil for the Iraqi people! They have no other income, they produce nothing else. Oil is 95 percent of the Iraqi GNP. For this nation to survive, it must sell oil.

The Refinery at Bayji is [operating] at 75 percent of capacity producing gasoline. The crude pipeline between Kirkuk (Oil Central) and Bayji will be repaired by tomorrow (2 June). LPG, what all Iraqis use to cook and heat with, is at 103 percent of normal production and we, the U.S. Army, are ensuring it is being distributed fairly to all Iraqis.

You have to remember that only three months ago, all these things were used by the Saddam regime as weapons against the population to keep them in line. If your town misbehaved, gasoline shipments stopped, LPG pipelines and trucks stopped, water was turned off, power was turned off.

Now, until exports start, every drop of gasoline produced goes to the Iraqi people. Crude oil is being stored and the country is at 75 percent capacity right now. They need to export or stop pumping soon, so thank the U.N. for the delay.

All LPG goes to the Iraqi people everywhere. Water is being purified as best it can be, but at least its running all the time to everyone.

Are we still getting shot at? Yep.

Are American soldiers still dying? Yep, about one a day from my outfit, the 4th Infantry Division, most in accidents, but dead is dead.

If we are doing all this for the Iraqis, why are they shooting at us?

The general Iraqi population isn't shooting at us. There are still bad guys who won't let go of the old regime. They are Ba'ath party members (Read Nazi Party, but not as nice) who have known nothing but and supported nothing but the regime all of their lives. These are the thugs for the regime who caused many to disappear in the night. They have no other skills. At least the Nazis [in Germany] had jobs and a semblance of a national infrastructure that they could go back to after the war, as plumbers, managers, engineers, etc. These people have no skills but terror. They are simply applying their skills ... and we are applying ours.

There is no Christian way to say this, but they must be eliminated and we are doing so with all the efficiency we can muster. Our troops are shot at literally everyday by small arms and Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs). We respond. One hundred percent of the time, the Ba''ath party guys come out with the short end of the stick.

The most amazing thing to me is that they don't realize that if they stopped shooting at us, we would focus on fixing things more quickly and then leave back to the land of the Big PX. The more they shoot at us, the longer we will have to stay.

Lastly, all of you please realize that 90 percent of the damage you see on TV was caused by Iraqis, not by us and not by the war. Sure, we took out a few bridges from military necessity, we took out a few power and phone lines to disrupt communications, sure we drilled a few palaces and government headquarters buildings with 2000 lb. laser guided bombs (I work 100 yards from where two hit the Tikrit Palace), [but] he had plenty to spare.

But, any damage you see to schools, hospitals, power generation facilities, refineries, pipelines, was all caused either by the Iraqi Army in its death throes or from much of the Iraqi civilians looting the places.

Could we have prevented it? Nope.

We can and do now, but 45 days ago, the average soldier was fighting for his own survival and trying to get to his objectives as fast as possible. He was lucky to know what town he was in much less be informed enough to know who owned what or have the power to stop 1,000 people from looting and burning a building by himself.

The United States and our allies, especially Great Britain, are doing a very noble thing here. We stuck our necks out on the world's chopping block to free an entire people from the grip of a horrible terror that was beyond belief.

I've already talked the weapons of mass destruction thing to death - bottom line, who cares? This country was one big conventional weapons ammo dump anyway. We have probably destroyed more weapons and ammo in the last 30 days than the U.S. Army has ever fired in the last 30 years (remember, this is a country the size of Texas), so drop the WMD argument as the reason we came here. If we find it great if we don't, so what?

I'm living in a "guest palace" on a 500-acre palace compound with 20 palaces with like facilities built in half a dozen towns all over Iraq that were built for one man. Drive down the street and out into the countryside five miles away like I have and see all the families of 10 or more, all living in mud huts and herding the two dozen sheep on which their very existence depends ...then tell me why you think we are here.

WMD is an important issue. We have to find them wherever they may be (in Syria?), but that is not our real motivator. Don't let it be yours either.

Respectfully,

ERIC RYDBOM
MAJOR, ENGINEER
Deputy Division Engineer
4th Infantry Division
 

da loser

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did you get this from hackworth? i agree that anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt, but this just underlies the terrible journalism in iraq. everyone is concentrating on the attacks or the protestors/anecdotal evidence. no one that i know of has tried to do a real study or even one detailing experiences in various neighborhoods across just baghdad much less the entire country of electricity, security, daily life, health care, so on. raed and other blogs/c-span have given a better picture to me than all the television/major print.

also, i'd like to know what information the iraqi people are receiving in terms of print/radio broadcasts, this way the prissy reporters wouldn't have to leave their hotel room or the safety of american forces. and if they feel the satellite television they're watching describes their situation truthfully.
 

lozina

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Then there is water purification. In central Iraq between Baghdad and Mosul, home of the 4th Infantry Division, water treatment was spotty at best. The facilities existed, but the controls were never implemented. Simple chemicals like Chlorine for purification and Alum (Aluminum Sulfate) for sediment settling (the Tigris River is about as clear as the Mississippi River) were in very short supply or not used at all. When chlorine was used, it was metered by the scientific method of guessing.

Yeah, I wonder why they had short supplied of chlorine... could it be that the sanctions banned them?!

Lastly, all of you please realize that 90 percent of the damage you see on TV was caused by Iraqis, not by us and not by the war. Sure, we took out a few bridges from military necessity, we took out a few power and phone lines to disrupt communications, sure we drilled a few palaces and government headquarters buildings with 2000 lb. laser guided bombs (I work 100 yards from where two hit the Tikrit Palace), [but] he had plenty to spare.

But, any damage you see to schools, hospitals, power generation facilities, refineries, pipelines, was all caused either by the Iraqi Army in its death throes or from much of the Iraqi civilians looting the places.

I'm sure the depleted uranium we kindly deposited in and around their major urban areas was humane.

I'm living in a "guest palace" on a 500-acre palace compound with 20 palaces with like facilities built in half a dozen towns all over Iraq that were built for one man. Drive down the street and out into the countryside five miles away like I have and see all the families of 10 or more, all living in mud huts and herding the two dozen sheep on which their very existence depends ...then tell me why you think we are here.

Oh please, like Iraq is the only country with poor people living next to pampered rich. Go look at the apartments on PArk Ave in Manhattan, then drive a few miles up to South Bronx, Yonkers, Portchester and describe the differences. In my own town where average house prices are $400k there was a fire in a small apartment building that had mexicans/ecuadorians living tightly packed in small rooms. Maybe someone should invade us now


Typical right-wing garbage out of this guy's mouth. And it's no wonder, you don't get rank in the military by having morals
 

ConclamoLudus

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Finally some good news comes out of Iraq. I find it refreshing. I'll file it under: Things The Military Tells Me That I Hope Are True. Grain of salt is necessary with any source, this is at least a piece of news that we can HOPE is true. Most news we get is something we would never wish to be true. Some people will discredit this letter simply because they don't want it to be true. For some the worst thing in the world is that the reconstruction of Iraq is successful.
 

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Then there is water purification. In central Iraq between Baghdad and Mosul, home of the 4th Infantry Division, water treatment was spotty at best. The facilities existed, but the controls were never implemented. Simple chemicals like Chlorine for purification and Alum (Aluminum Sulfate) for sediment settling (the Tigris River is about as clear as the Mississippi River) were in very short supply or not used at all. When chlorine was used, it was metered by the scientific method of guessing.

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Yeah, I wonder why they had short supplied of chlorine... could it be that the sanctions banned them?!


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Lastly, all of you please realize that 90 percent of the damage you see on TV was caused by Iraqis, not by us and not by the war. Sure, we took out a few bridges from military necessity, we took out a few power and phone lines to disrupt communications, sure we drilled a few palaces and government headquarters buildings with 2000 lb. laser guided bombs (I work 100 yards from where two hit the Tikrit Palace), [but] he had plenty to spare.

But, any damage you see to schools, hospitals, power generation facilities, refineries, pipelines, was all caused either by the Iraqi Army in its death throes or from much of the Iraqi civilians looting the places.

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I'm sure the depleted uranium we kindly deposited in and around their major urban areas was humane.


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I'm living in a "guest palace" on a 500-acre palace compound with 20 palaces with like facilities built in half a dozen towns all over Iraq that were built for one man. Drive down the street and out into the countryside five miles away like I have and see all the families of 10 or more, all living in mud huts and herding the two dozen sheep on which their very existence depends ...then tell me why you think we are here.

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Oh please, like Iraq is the only country with poor people living next to pampered rich. Go look at the apartments on PArk Ave in Manhattan, then drive a few miles up to South Bronx, Yonkers, Portchester and describe the differences. In my own town where average house prices are $400k there was a fire in a small apartment building that had mexicans/ecuadorians living tightly packed in small rooms. Maybe someone should invade us now

Typical right-wing garbage out of this guy's mouth. And it's no wonder, you don't get rank in the military by having morals


Typical left-wing garbage coming from your mouth.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Zipp



Typical left-wing garbage coming from your mouth.


You quoted that whole post taking all that space just to provide a brief remark with no comments or contribution to the discussion?
 

Zipp

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Your comparing Iraq, where the poor people had no opportunity what so ever to work hard and get ahead to people living in the United States who have that opportunity. Im sorry but I can't except that comparison.
 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Zipp



Typical left-wing garbage coming from your mouth.


You quoted that whole post taking all that space just to provide a brief remark with no comments or contribution to the discussion?

You could have done it just the same. Dismissal is dismissal, typical right-wing garbage or typical left-wing garbage. With that last remark "typical right-wing garbage coming out of this guys mouth" you have proven that arguing its validity is useless with you. You have already dismissed it as biased BS. Zipp just dismissed you in a more efficient way.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Zipp
Your comparing Iraq, where the poor people had no opportunity what so ever to work hard and get ahead to people living in the United States who have that opportunity. Im sorry but I can't except that comparison.

But surely they have opportunities. The guy was describing a contrast between the two extremes of the spectrum, ignoring the regular neighborhoods. Do you honestly beleive the cities are just Palaces surrounded by shacks for regular citizens? Before the first Gulf War IRaq had one of the highest standard of livings in the region, truly way ahead of other middle-eastern countries. They were NOT a third-world nation. They had a complicated infrastructure, excellent health facilities, water purification. All this under Saddam.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus

You could have done it just the same. Dismissal is dismissal, typical right-wing garbage or typical left-wing garbage. With that last remark "typical right-wing garbage coming out of this guys mouth" you have proven that arguing its validity is useless with you. You have already dismissed it as biased BS. Zipp just dismissed you in a more efficient way.

Indeed, however I did provide an attack on the letter with some arguments. It's one thing to say: "You're stupid", it's a whole other thign to explain "You're stupid because ... "

 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Zipp
Your comparing Iraq, where the poor people had no opportunity what so ever to work hard and get ahead to people living in the United States who have that opportunity. Im sorry but I can't except that comparison.

But surely they have opportunities. The guy was describing a contrast between the two extremes of the spectrum, ignoring the regular neighborhoods. Do you honestly beleive the cities are just Palaces surrounded by shacks for regular citizens? Before the first Gulf War IRaq had one of the highest standard of livings in the region, truly way ahead of other middle-eastern countries. They were NOT a third-world nation. They had a complicated infrastructure, excellent health facilities, water purification. All this under Saddam.

Baghdad maybe. But some of these places didn't have electricity or running water 24 hours a day. I don't know what to believe Iraq had before the war, I've heard so many different reports at this point. Do you have any links about their "complicated infrastructure, excellent health facilities, water purification"?
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus


Baghdad maybe. But some of these places didn't have electricity or running water 24 hours a day. I don't know what to believe Iraq had before the war, I've heard so many different reports at this point. Do you have any links about their "complicated infrastructure, excellent health facilities, water purification"?

Here's one site that describes it, although you can go to the local library and see the older Encyclopedias or Almanacs for more info (thats what I was reading but of course I cannot copy and paste that!)


http://www.careinternational.org.uk/news/what_do_care_think/reports/victims_of_war/iraq.htm

As you can see, the populace truly depending on electricity and water treatment plants for their well-being- a true sign of a developed nation. Specifically look at this quote:

Electricity, essential for many services and previously enjoyed by the remotest villages in Iraq, is now generally available for less than 12 hours per day in many parts of Iraq. This affects water quantity and quality, sewage treatment, health facilities, education and overall quality of life for the majority of the population.

So its not just the cities that enjoyed (and depended on) such modern perks. Iraq's education system was also astounding. I will try to find sources to that but again, this kind of historical statistics are more likely to be found in your local library since Al Gore just invented the Internet during this time
 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus


Baghdad maybe. But some of these places didn't have electricity or running water 24 hours a day. I don't know what to believe Iraq had before the war, I've heard so many different reports at this point. Do you have any links about their "complicated infrastructure, excellent health facilities, water purification"?

Here's one site that describes it, although you can go to the local library and see the older Encyclopedias or Almanacs for more info (thats what I was reading but of course I cannot copy and paste that!)


http://www.careinternational.org.uk/news/what_do_care_think/reports/victims_of_war/iraq.htm

As you can see, the populace truly depending on electricity and water treatment plants for their well-being- a true sign of a developed nation. Specifically look at this quote:

Electricity, essential for many services and previously enjoyed by the remotest villages in Iraq, is now generally available for less than 12 hours per day in many parts of Iraq. This affects water quantity and quality, sewage treatment, health facilities, education and overall quality of life for the majority of the population.

So its not just the cities that enjoyed (and depended on) such modern perks. Iraq's education system was also astounding. I will try to find sources to that but again, this kind of historical statistics are more likely to be found in your local library since Al Gore just invented the Internet during this time


Much of that was before sanctions, and I'm not going to blame us for putting sanctions on them. If they had a better leader we wouldn't have sanctioned them. I fault Hussein for driving that country into the dirt not the rest of the world.

Thank you for the links though.
 

CaptnKirk

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My gosh it's growing !

From the letter:
remember, this is a country the size of Texas, so drop the WMD argument as the reason we came here.
If we find it great if we don't, so what?

Just last week it was the size of California, are we including the soon to be analiated Iran & Syria in this territory?

Well, I'm glad he's so rose-colered-glasses, and optomistic about it, but then again he's of the Clergy,
and that's how he must portray what he sees, especially as a Chaplain.

Perhaps if we hadn't hit Iraq with so many weapons, it wouldn't be in the state of dissaray that it's now in.
Perhaps if they found the 500 tons of WMD that we knew EXACTLY where they were I wouldn't
be so apprehensive about what BushBoys agenda really is.
 

Alistar7

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things can be moved or hidden easily.... especially at the rate Iraq is growing, a 1/3 increase in square miles in 2 months, at this rate they will engulf the entire surface of the Earth in just a few years, better bone up on my Iraqi....
 

CaptnKirk

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So again - at the growth rate of Iraq, the weapons that were just found in Afganistan will be
within the expanded Iraq border by Sunday, maybe as early as Saturday afternoon.

Now I see why it is such a threat to the continental U.S. - We have to stop it before it expands to engulf our Solar System,
as the Galaxy and Local Cluster are threatened as well. Do you suppose we can contain them to just the Quadrant ?
 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
So again - at the growth rate of Iraq, the weapons that were just found in Afganistan will be
within the expanded Iraq border by Sunday, maybe as early as Saturday afternoon.

Now I see why it is such a threat to the continental U.S. - We have to stop it before it expands to engulf our Solar System,
as the Galaxy and Local Cluster are threatened as well. Do you suppose we can contain them to just the Quadrant ?

Once it engulfs Iran we'll find WMD's!
 

Zebo

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Typical right-wing garbage out of this guy's mouth. And it's no wonder, you don't get rank in the military by having morals

I admit it paints a pretty rosey picture. More I read it the more propagandish it sounds.
 

CaptnKirk

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I don't think it's right wing garbage, and 'Good News' is marginal -
but, it's part of his duty to lelp peep morale up with the troops.
He is doing his job, but it's out of it's perspective here, and
fully appropriate to keep troop focus high over there.
 
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