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You know I had an epiphany about this today actually. I realized that most individuals in religion and sociology are followers who do not think for themselves. Then I realized it is the same way with science. Most individuals only read the texts and memorize everything instead of thinking about why such is as it is and gaining an understanding of any particular subject.

Do you have any data, studies, references or links to back up your claim that most scientists solely engage in rote memorization? Or did your mind merely cause you to believe it must be so in order to make you feel better about what you already believe?
 
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Do you have any data, studies, references or links to back up your claim that most scientists solely engage in rote memorization? Or did your mind merely cause you to believe it must be so in order to make you feel better about what you already believe?

Well to be fair it would probably be a psychology paper and as we all know like 50 undergrads conduct most of the actual study for free just to get their name on the paper.

Since when could anyone link to articles behind paywalls on here anyway.
 

piasabird

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I have always thought that philosophy is simply a belief system. Everyone believes in something. For instance I just watched a documentary about the Chinese project to build a railroad across the Himalayan plateau. This unforgiving place is basically just permafrost. Some people would say that it is impossible to build a Railroad across such terrain. It stopped the Chinese for over 50 years. However, they built the railway in 5 years. They used observation and science to accomplish this task.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
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Ethics... Too many scientists have forgotten their commitment to basic medical ethics.
Ethics is other people.

Without professional norms ethics doesn't exist.

It's medical ethics as an institution, not commitment to it, that's rotten.

I have always thought that philosophy is simply a belief system. Everyone believes in something. For instance I just watched a documentary about the Chinese project to build a railroad across the Himalayan plateau. This unforgiving place is basically just permafrost. Some people would say that it is impossible to build a Railroad across such terrain. It stopped the Chinese for over 50 years. However, they built the railway in 5 years. They used observation and science to accomplish this task.

Your evidence doesn't follow from your premise.

Since when could anyone link to articles behind paywalls on here anyway.
Citations are fine, I'll share as needed.

This is clearly for bonafide educational purposes.
 

Ham n' Eggs

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Well 1st off there is no such thing as the "field of science".

Perhaps we should narrow things down a bit more to a particular field or area of science. I propose molecular biology.

Furthermore I'd propose to narrow further to examine the types of questions that molecular biologists are investigating. Specific example such as a lab of researchers studying a particular molecular pathway. So here we are with a lab full of scientists doing their thing, performing their experiments... why should they care what philosophers think about the scientific process?

Have advances in Molecular Biology slowed down recently due to the way molecular biologists are approaching their research?
 

norseamd

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Well 1st off there is no such thing as the "field of science".

Perhaps we should narrow things down a bit more to a particular field or area of science. I propose molecular biology.

Furthermore I'd propose to narrow further to examine the types of questions that molecular biologists are investigating. Specific example such as a lab of researchers studying a particular molecular pathway. So here we are with a lab full of scientists doing their thing, performing their experiments... why should they care what philosophers think about the scientific process?

Have advances in Molecular Biology slowed down recently due to the way molecular biologists are approaching their research?

Are you using soft science yourself to promote an ideology that is favorable to your viewpoint?
 

Ham n' Eggs

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Are you using soft science yourself to promote an ideology that is favorable to your viewpoint?
I'm not sure what you mean.

I simply tried to narrow things down to a more specific field of science and then asked a question as it pertained to that field. I'll try asking in a different way.

Why should a lab full of molecular biologists who are studying a particular molecular pathway care what philosophers are thinking or doing?

Will the rate at which they make discoveries be altered by studying philosophy?

Will the work of modern day philosophers somehow alter the rate at which this lab full of molecular biologists discover new binding partners in a kinase cascade?

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It's hard to see why practicing molecular biologists should worry or care about what philosophers are doing or thinking.
 

norseamd

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I'm not sure what you mean.

I simply tried to narrow things down to a more specific field of science and then asked a question as it pertained to that field. I'll try asking in a different way.

Why should a lab full of molecular biologists who are studying a particular molecular pathway care what philosophers are thinking or doing?

Will the rate at which they make discoveries be altered by studying philosophy?

Will the work of modern day philosophers somehow alter the rate at which this lab full of molecular biologists discover new binding partners in a kinase cascade?

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It's hard to see why practicing molecular biologists should worry or care about what philosophers are doing or thinking.

Because this has nothing to do with molecular pathways. This even has nothing at all to do with science when you understand what is reality. It has to do with basically scientists.

Also your arguments used probably half of the fallacies here whether intentional or unintentional.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
 

Ham n' Eggs

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Also your arguments used probably half of the fallacies here whether intentional or unintentional.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
I must be bad at this,

I am interested in what scientists are supposedly doing wrong. The problem is with the terms "science" and "scientists". In my opinion those terms are way too broad. A researcher in the Social Studies dept. at a university might think that what they are doing falls under the science umbrella, however grouping the types of work done by social studies researchers or economists with the types of work done by molecular biologists, geneticists, physicists, astronomers is a mistake in my opinion. If all those disciplines can be grouped under the single umbrella of science then we have a very broad very vague and (not useful) term 'Science'.

That's why I wanted to narrow it down a bit to a specific field of a "hard" science.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
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There have been numerous scientific revolutions in the hard sciences: there are numerous more to come.
 

agent00f

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The reality of this topic is that science is something humans do, and humans frequently make mistakes. The "problem" is more that humans believe they make a lot less mistakes than they actually do, and generally have a poor grasp of statistics.

For example, if "science" reasonably models let's say 50% of difficult empirical topics, that's far better than layman intuition which is often closer to 0%. That means there's still work to be done on other 50%, but generally not by folks who are ~100% wrong.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
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"Scientists who fiddle around like this — just about all of them do, Simonsohn told me — aren’t usually committing fraud, nor are they intending to. They’re just falling prey to natural human biases that lead them to tip the scales and set up studies to produce false-positive results."

The guy who banned p vales was on my dissertation committee. "Fiddling around" is out and out anti-scientific.
 
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