Some polls now have Romney ahead.

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zsdersw

Lifer
Oct 29, 2003
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Oh ya because we know Obama never tried to sell us a bill of goods.

... and you'll get sold another with Romney.

Why anyone thinks that electing Romney will present any better of a chance of fixing things continually surprises and disgusts me.

He's Obama with an (R) behind his name, not a true fiscal conservative.
 

Nemesis 1

Lifer
Dec 30, 2006
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Poor people vote obama because taxes dont affect them. Most people on anandforums are young. Most young people are poor due to lack of education and professional experience. Thus the obama rah rah pom poms is exhibited here early and often.

Truer words were never spoken , The 1% want the middle class and the poor class to war. Leaving the 1% to control the outcome. Yes the poor want more taxes on the middle class as they don't pay taxes . But they know the poor that is If their is NO tax increase on the middle they won't recieve increased benefits. So ya your correct the poor and Government workers are tied to the demons . Demons bye themselves are nothing .. But Let someone with power guide them . The ddemons have the power to destroy america and they will. 4 more years for Obummer should do it . He has my vote. Lets just skip the BS and get to the blood letting.. Hunting Demons could prove more popular than NFL football.
 

Balt

Lifer
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haha, that PDF hurts my eyes. Have they heard of OCR?

Ok, you're right. Rasmussen sucks. We'll see next month when Obama loses by 4.

Rasmussen polling has low accuracy, but high precision. As long as one adjusts for 'the house effect' (as Nate Silver does), their polling is actually pretty helpful.

In any case, unless Ohio comes back into play I don't see Romney winning the election. If Romney loses Ohio, he has to pick up almost every single other swing state.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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The wonder is, and will continue to be, which Mitt Romney are we talking about possibly gaining in the polls?
 

Rainsford

Lifer
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It defies logic to suggest that the turnout for democrats will be higher this year over 2008 and yet many of these polls have more Democrats responding to the poll than Republicans. However they are getting their sample this just won't be the case when it comes time to vote.

Michael Barone writes about this...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/01/the_particulars_of_polls_115620.html

Leaving Rasmussen out of this, you'd have to believe that there are more Democrats now than in 2008 (on a percentage basis). I think this is highly unlikely and we will see for sure next month.

I would argue that it defies logic to suggest that unweighted polls are universally wrong based on what amounts to intuition. Of course the polls could be wrong, but unless anyone can factually back up that idea, the smart money seems to be in believing the professionals.

If your intuition doesn't match the polls though, you should consider that maybe there are other factors you haven't thought about. You're focusing on the idea that the Democratic/Republican seems too favorable to the Democrats, especially when compared to 2008, but the polled party ID might not mean what you think it means. For one thing, the whole Tea Party movement suggests that a lot of Republicans (or at least anti-Obama voters) might be identifying themselves as Independents when asked. And while 2008 saw a high turnout for pro-Obama voters, the Democratic percentage of voters actually wasn't significantly higher than in past Presidential elections according to exit polls. 2004 was more an outlier in terms of low Democratic turnout.
 

buckshot24

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I would argue that it defies logic to suggest that unweighted polls are universally wrong based on what amounts to intuition. Of course the polls could be wrong, but unless anyone can factually back up that idea, the smart money seems to be in believing the professionals.
Ok, so you are of the mind that more democrats will come out to vote this year over 2008. That won't happen, sorry.

2010 happened and the idea that it doesn't mean anything for 2012 will be proven incorrect. All of those voters who came out to repudiate Obama in 2010 will be in line first thing in the morning to vote for Romney next month.

Here is Rasmussen's party affiliation poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

Democrat registration is down as well, Michael Barone mentions this in his article, and yet Democrats are weighted higher in all of the polls.

Everything is lining up to be a Romney landslide.
 

boomer6447

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wow buckshot...pop that fox/drudge/rush bubble you live in...the air is wonderful out here.
And more importantly, you'd realize how stupid you sound
 

CallMeJoe

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haha, that PDF hurts my eyes. Have they heard of OCR?
Ok, you're right. Rasmussen sucks. We'll see next month when Obama loses by 4.
So you didn't bother to read the study you cited until someone disputed your conclusion from it...

I'm certain we're all shocked.
 

umbrella39

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wow buckshot...pop that fox/drudge/rush bubble you live in...the air is wonderful out here.
And more importantly, you'd realize how stupid you sound

Sound? I have yet to see so much as a modicum of intellect... Newly active sock, same old lint...
 

randomrogue

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Ok, so you are of the mind that more democrats will come out to vote this year over 2008. That won't happen, sorry.

2010 happened and the idea that it doesn't mean anything for 2012 will be proven incorrect. All of those voters who came out to repudiate Obama in 2010 will be in line first thing in the morning to vote for Romney next month.

Here is Rasmussen's party affiliation poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation

Democrat registration is down as well, Michael Barone mentions this in his article, and yet Democrats are weighted higher in all of the polls.

Everything is lining up to be a Romney landslide.

I find this funny so I'm quoting it. It's one thing to think that your man is going to win but a landslide? Really? Trolling I assume but in case you're not this is a great nugget of a post to keep around.
 

CallMeJoe

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I didn't cite the study.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports#Elections
"According to Politico, "Rasmussen’s final poll of the 2008 general election — showing Obama defeating Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 percent to 46 percent — closely mirrored the election’s outcome."[40] In reference to the 2008 presidential election, a Talking Points Memo article said, "Rasmussen's final polls had Obama ahead 52%-46%, which was nearly identical to Obama's final margin of 53%-46%, and made him one of the most accurate pollsters out there."[41] An initial Nov.5, 2008 Fordham University analysis ranked 23 survey research organizations on the accuracy of their final, national pre-election polls, assuming a 6.15% margin of victory by Obama. Rasmussen Reports and Pew Research Center tied as the most accurate.[42] Obama's actual margin was 7.2%, and a complete analysis published in 2009 by the same author, Costas Panagopoulos, revealed Rasmussen to be tied for 9th most accurate. Democracy Corps, Foxnews/Opinion Dynamic, CNN/Opinion Research, and Ipsos/McClatchy all predicted an accurate seven point spread."
I stand corrected. You just cited the wiki reference to the study.
 

randomrogue

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Also, I noticed that Gallup shows Obama +1 on the 7 day rolling average. Obama approval is +3 to 51%.
 

Engineer

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Pew now has Romney at +4 vs Obama using the first FULL (4 day) poll since the debate.
 

ericlp

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Romney has surged after the debate, especially in polls taken in Ohio, Florida and Virginia. Would be interesting to see if he can maintain that momentum. If he wins 1 of the next 2 debates, I think he might have salvaged his chance to actually be elected. I don't think the polls reflect yet the full picture of the debate but on the flip side, I don't think that the polls show any picture of the unemployment dropping OR the negative of gas rising (lately).

Even if he won all of the debates I wouldn't stay up late at night holding my breath that he has a chance.

He lost based on his moral values and lies. Thankfully some can see it.
 

Engineer

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Even if he won all of the debates I wouldn't stay up late at night holding my breath that he has a chance.

He lost based on his moral values and lies. Thankfully some can see it.

I'm not so sure at this point. I guess we'll know in less than a month.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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Actually it is good Romney gained in the polls.
Reasoning...?
Obama had been getting all the good news before the debates.
And even some republicans were writing off Romney.
Under those conditions, turnout for Obama could have been lessened as some Obama supporters felt no need to vote if Obama had it in the bag.
With this new reality check, maybe every Obama supporter will realize they DO need to VOTE! after all.
A president Romney/Ryan could be a real possibility. OMG!
GW Bush all over again.
GW - Phase II. THE DOUBLE DOWN.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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I can see the movie title now...
GW - Phase II. The Double Down.
Liars, and the Lies Liars Tell.
 

woolfe9999

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So you would rather trust those polls that were less accurate in 2008. I agree however that past performance isn't always an indication of future performance but Rasmussen was the most accurate in 2008 and now we have people calling it wrong because it doesn't agree with the rest.

Rasmussen was wildly inaccurate in the 2010 mid-terms, erring way on the GOP side. They didn't do well in '04 either. They were one of the closest in 2008, though a couple were closer. Not really sure what you want to make of that. Not only is it a problem to generalize from past performance. It's even worse when you're cherry picking one year.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...rate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

OH BTW, the Quinnipiac and Survey USA polls which were the most accurate in 2010 have been showing a stronger than average Obama lead this year. That doesn't matter much either. What matters is the overall polling average.
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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Holy fvcking sh*t!!!!

Can we stop with this crap? ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

Popular vote means jaaaaaaaaaaaack sh*t! Stop with this nonsense.

Obama is still WAY ahead.

Repeat after me: five thirty eight. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ just like the second post said.

I know it's more fun to pretend the race is close but it isn't.
 
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