Some questions for true believers

[shira]

(Based on an email forwarded by mom. I apologize if this is a repeat.)

Thank you for reminding us to obey God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you support a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. As you said, "In the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman."

I try to share your knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexual relationships, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is with my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 state s that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole neighborhood together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

11. I would like to take on a second wife and maybe a few concubines, if I can scrape enough money together. Are you proposing an amendment to ban compulsory monogamy?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus possess considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging, and that our constitution and laws ought to enforce it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Bahahahaha , I had not seen this one.

 

[conjur]

Rather old, actually.

 

[1EZduzit]

God needs to come down from his almighty perch and clarify some things. While he's here he can smite some of the sinners jsut to prove he means business. How many times did God do something like that or preform miracles during Moses's short span of 40 years in the desert during the exodus?

I guess he didn't think that "faith" was enough then?? I wonder about that often.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur
Rather old, actually.

It is.


I would like to share my view of homosexual marriage. Legally, I am for it. I am a Christian, and I believe the homosexual lifestyle to be sinful (just as a heterosexual relationship out of marriage), but the difference between a legal marriage and one under God is as clear as day to me. A legal marriage, in my perspective, has nothing to do with a religious one.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
God needs to come down from his almighty perch and clarify some things. While he's here he can smite some of the sinners jsut to prove he means business. How many times did God do something like that or preform miracles during Moses's short span of 40 years in the desert during the exodus?

I guess he didn't think that "faith" was enough then?? I wonder about that often.

Read up on the Story of Fatima (Portugal, early 1900's).

 

[dahunan]

There was a Servic Pack called The New Testament

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was a Servic Pack called The New Testament

Do you mean 'Service Pack' or 'Cervix Pack' ?

 

[MCWAR]

I'v never seen this but it is funny as hell. Some might say it is DAMNED funny.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: dahunan
There was a Servic Pack called The New Testament

Do you mean 'Service Pack' or 'Cervix Pack' ?

oooops

ICE ICE

 

[MCWAR]

posted by mcowen674
quote:
Bahahahaha , I had not seen this one
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Sounds like a sacrificial lamb.

 

[glorifiedg790]

We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

 

[jackschmittusa]

glorifiedg790

American law is not currently (nor has it ever been) based on Christianity. There are those who would change that though.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

"Paul said"?????

Oh, I get it: The law DOESN'T come from God, as all the self-righteous hypocrites have been claiming. It comes from HUMANS squabbling among themselves, trying to decide what is or is not "the law".

And since, as you imply, Leviticus is passe', that means the admonition against homosexuality is passe'.

So why this obsession with the ten commandments? And with being opposed to gay marriage?


Sounds awfully funny to me.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

"Paul said"?????

Oh, I get it: The law DOESN'T come from God, as all the self-righteous hypocrites have been claiming. It comes from HUMANS squabbling among themselves, trying to decide what is or is not "the law".

And since, as you imply, Leviticus is passe', that means the admonition against homosexuality is passe'.

So why this obsession with the ten commandments? And with being opposed to gay marriage?


Sounds awfully funny to me.

Don't expect a serious response...

Expect something to the effect that you are just trying to bash Christianity.

Don't question, just accept.

 

[imported_litesgod]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

"Paul said"?????

Oh, I get it: The law DOESN'T come from God, as all the self-righteous hypocrites have been claiming. It comes from HUMANS squabbling among themselves, trying to decide what is or is not "the law".

And since, as you imply, Leviticus is passe', that means the admonition against homosexuality is passe'.

So why this obsession with the ten commandments? And with being opposed to gay marriage?


Sounds awfully funny to me.

If you really want to know, Old Testament law is a) seperated into two parts that are pretty clearly defined with a little reading. First part is divine law- stuff like "Thou shall not kill" or "Thou shall have no other gods before me" is divine law. Second part is legalistic law, things like when it is ok to purchase/sell slaves (you should also recognize that slavery in ancient Isreal was really closer to indentured servitude than real slavery and included a time limit). While both were given to Isreal by God through Moses, only the divine law was concerned with the sanctity/cleansing of the soul, the other was concerned with running a government. And b) Old Testament law no longer applies to Christianity (as defined in Acts and most of the latter New Testament books, given by God through men such as Paul). That doesn't mean the divine law isn't still important, it just means that following the divine law alone will not grant you salvation. Divine law is more of a description of a holy lifestyle, hence why study of the Old Testament is still important to Christianity. Many of the issues that are given status of divine law (such as not eating meat, or touching a women during her period) were resolved by Jesus, and if you really want a theological understanding of why that is, go read Romans- it has been a while since I've done a real study of that.

As a Christian I believe homosexuality is a sin, but I also beleive it is no greater than the sins I commit on a daily basis. Any Christian who claims otherwise must be using a different Bible than the one I read.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

"Paul said"?????

Oh, I get it: The law DOESN'T come from God, as all the self-righteous hypocrites have been claiming. It comes from HUMANS squabbling among themselves, trying to decide what is or is not "the law".

And since, as you imply, Leviticus is passe', that means the admonition against homosexuality is passe'.

So why this obsession with the ten commandments? And with being opposed to gay marriage?


Sounds awfully funny to me.

i understand that it's something that's hard to get your mind around. Infinit forgiveness, though granting infinitfreedom, demands infinit servitude to rightiousness.

individual laws for other cultures seem bazar and wrong to those not in them, but if you look at the historical context you'll find that the laws are liberal and caring demands on a soceity; what God wants, what the jews of the time needed to change to better themselves.

slight diference that's hard to grasp by those who have no honest reason to look at the context.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

neither, nor do you go to hell for any particular sin, but for your choice to seperate yoruself from God.

would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

please read the passage again, you'll find your in error given the conetext of your request.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

you can tell by the blood driping down her leg. unless there's some sort of sanitation change in our society that has rendred many of the sanitary guidlines of the old testament nul.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is with my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

good news! you no longer need to do this as the death of Christ has been given inorder to clense all our sins.

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

you are moraly obligated to kill him if, and only if, you yourself have never sinned.

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

no, but there's a defintion to the word and a context to what was said.. but i'm sure that with your flipant statments you've got no interested in actualy thinking about the situation.

Lev. 21:20 state s that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

spiritual metaphore my friend.

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

your friends are members of that particular jewish sect that this was requiered of?

know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

either way, as Christ said "it isn't what goes in your mouth that makes you unclean, but what comes out of it"

and with that i'll allow you to think honestly about, and maybe even read the contextual pasages regarding, what you've asked about.

 

[AbAbber2k]

This is classic, never seen it before.

:thumbsup:

 

[Delta52]

The book of Leviticus is mostly just rules God laid down for the Jews to follow after they escaped from Egypt, through the Red Sea, etc.... and finally got to the promised land. You must realize that 100% of the laws you mentioned apply to the lifestyle then. Simply put, the Old Testiment is pretty much telling of the coming of a Savior to the Jews. Us Christians believe this savior is Jesus, but the Jews are still waiting. Before Jesus came, each family had to sacrifice a "perfect" lamb, or the best that family had. Then, when Jesus came down, and died on the cross, and rose from the dead, He sacrificed His life, (a perfect one, sinless), and no longer did the people have to sacrifice a lamb, because Jesus sacrificed His life to save theirs. All these laws you mentioned apply to the Jews before they were saved. The Ten Commandments still apply, however, as they are basic rules for a moral Christian.

 

[kogase]

The Bible is called the "word of God". God has never said that some laws are to be ignored because they only applied to Jews 2500 years ago. The Bible is the word of God. It includes the Old Testament. Without further clarification from God to the contrary, all laws in the Old Testament are to be followed by Christians. Or are you going to assume what God wills?

 

[glorifiedg790]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

"Paul said"?????

Oh, I get it: The law DOESN'T come from God, as all the self-righteous hypocrites have been claiming. It comes from HUMANS squabbling among themselves, trying to decide what is or is not "the law".

And since, as you imply, Leviticus is passe', that means the admonition against homosexuality is passe'.

So why this obsession with the ten commandments? And with being opposed to gay marriage?


Sounds awfully funny to me.

Don't expect a serious response...

Expect something to the effect that you are just trying to bash Christianity.

Don't question, just accept.

you people have serious issues. all you are just posting stuff you think is true, but you really have no idea. sad but true...some jerk is going to quote this, or quote it and say no im not quoting you but.....or someone will confront me. My post made complete sense. If you had any faith in Jesus you would understand. I have been taking scirpture all this year. I know what I am talking about. I am not going to bother contradicting the people who quoted me because their lack of reason will eventually win this debate...seems the way things go...in this bull crap world. Ebveryone thinks that they are right, and has such a narrow mind. Especially when they are at their computers, safe from any real human contact.

 

[glorifiedg790]

Originally posted by: kogase
The Bible is called the "word of God". God has never said that some laws are to be ignored because they only applied to Jews 2500 years ago. The Bible is the word of God. It includes the Old Testament. Without further clarification from God to the contrary, all laws in the Old Testament are to be followed by Christians. Or are you going to assume what God wills?

No but Acts of the Apostles clear purpose is to define Christianity as separate from Judaism. That is not to say the Ten Commandments are separate from the NT. The new testament is based largely on the OT. and can also be defined as the Word of God. Those were the laws of the Hebrew people, and you continue not to understand that leviticus is separatin the Hebrew religion from that of pagans.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790
We are a bit more civilized then the ancient hebrews were. Leviticus is a book of laws much like Deuteronomy, which defines Judaism from paganism. Homosexual relationships were very prevalent among pagans, Greeks for example. Much from the influence of Jesus laws have changed. Paul and Peter from Acts of the Apostles once had a dispute over whether new converts should have to be circumsizes to be Christians. Peter insisted this was the case. Paul, however said that Christinanity is separate from Judaism. So your post isn't so funny if you know about the origins of the Bible and its writers. You must not realize American law is based mostly on Christinanity.

"Paul said"?????

Oh, I get it: The law DOESN'T come from God, as all the self-righteous hypocrites have been claiming. It comes from HUMANS squabbling among themselves, trying to decide what is or is not "the law".

And since, as you imply, Leviticus is passe', that means the admonition against homosexuality is passe'.

So why this obsession with the ten commandments? And with being opposed to gay marriage?


Sounds awfully funny to me.

Don't expect a serious response...

Expect something to the effect that you are just trying to bash Christianity.

Don't question, just accept.

you people have serious issues. all you are just posting stuff you think is true, but you really have no idea. sad but true...some jerk is going to quote this, or quote it and say no im not quoting you but.....or someone will confront me. My post made complete sense. If you had any faith in Jesus you would understand. I have been taking scirpture all this year. I know what I am talking about. I am not going to bother contradicting the people who quoted me because their lack of reason will eventually win this debate...seems the way things go...in this bull crap world. Ebveryone thinks that they are right, and has such a narrow mind. Especially when they are at their computers, safe from any real human contact.

who's this jesus dude i should have faith in? i know a jesus at my local poker house, but he's not too good, so i wouldn't have faith in him with my money.
you got another one?

seriously this is the most fvcking funny answer: "you would understand if you had faith" = you would understand if you believed and didn't question, just trust us.

great logic.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: glorifiedg790

Originally posted by: kogase
The Bible is called the "word of God". God has never said that some laws are to be ignored because they only applied to Jews 2500 years ago. The Bible is the word of God. It includes the Old Testament. Without further clarification from God to the contrary, all laws in the Old Testament are to be followed by Christians. Or are you going to assume what God wills?

No but Acts of the Apostles clear purpose is to define Christianity as separate from Judaism. That is not to say the Ten Commandments are separate from the NT. The new testament is based largely on the OT. and can also be defined as the Word of God. Those were the laws of the Hebrew people, and you continue not to understand that leviticus is separatin the Hebrew religion from that of pagans.

So where has God said that you can pick and choose what you want to follow from the Bible based on your assumptions of His will? Where does God say this, or an appropriate prophet, rather than an Apostle?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
God needs to come down from his almighty perch and clarify some things. While he's here he can smite some of the sinners jsut to prove he means business. How many times did God do something like that or preform miracles during Moses's short span of 40 years in the desert during the exodus?

I guess he didn't think that "faith" was enough then?? I wonder about that often.

Read up on the Story of Fatima (Portugal, early 1900's).

I remember seeing a tv program about that. It wasn't very convincing to me and it supposedly happened almost 90 years ago. I beleive there is something after this life, but I don't believe anybody knows what that is. Not the Catholics, Prostestants, Jews, Hindus, Moslems, Buhddists or any other organized religion.

I beleive we all know what's right and wrong if we just look into our "heart of hearts". I choose to live a good honest life because I want to, not because I'm afraid of going to hell. I'm selfish with my diginity. I want to keep it all for myself.