rise the wage too much, the jobs will go away.
Be it through outsourcing. Insourcing (both legal and illegal), and automation.
Lets not forget that they also put more hrs in. Work harder and longer. You choose who you would rather hire?Considering it's only been recent when the ability to communicate globally has exploded...
Have you worked for a company who has half their employees living in India? It's not uncommon. And, the workers there are pretty damn skilled, much more intelligent than the average American who believes s/he is entitled to greatness by the mere fact of luck being born in the U.S.
So businesses are already feeling the pinch before a required pay increase to all unskilled employees comes into effect. Cant wait to see what happens when business expenditure increases 50% while revenue remains the same.You are aware that worker pay has been stagnant for decades right and that jobs were still outsourced, automated and in sourced to illegals right?
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Income-Distribution.php
I even warned you about owning yourself and yet you did it anyway.
How is it opposite. They didnt interview the worker, nor did they test their skills or ability but rather said you should earn 15 an hr.
Considering it's only been recent when the ability to communicate globally has exploded...
Have you worked for a company who has half their employees living in India? It's not uncommon. And, the workers there are pretty damn skilled, much more intelligent than the average American who believes s/he is entitled to greatness by the mere fact of luck being born in the U.S.
So businesses are already feeling the pinch before a required pay increase to all unskilled employees comes into effect. Cant wait to see what happens when business expenditure increases 50% while revenue remains the same.
So businesses are already feeling the pinch before a required pay increase to all unskilled employees comes into effect. Cant wait to see what happens when business expenditure increases 50% while revenue remains the same.
So businesses are already feeling the pinch before a required pay increase to all unskilled employees comes into effect. Cant wait to see what happens when business expenditure increases 50% while revenue remains the same.
Then lets just give them free everything. Because if what you earn and what you have isnt based on what you do then lets just put all the people in condos and serve them 3 meals a day on tax payer expense. I dont see people dying in the street due to lack of food or housing. Do we have that? Yes, but its a very rare instance and their are already organizations and support systems in place to help them.Living Wage. You understand what that is? It has nothing to do with whether someone Deserves, is Qualified, or some other Hiring criteria. It is about having a Wage that a Person can Live on.
Then bump it up to 20 or 30 and watch the economy expand to heights never before thought possible.Wait, so they are already on the verge of collapse, even before the pay increases happen?! If business was anywhere near as fragile as you seem to think, it would have never existed to begin with.
How would their expenditures increase 50%? How would revenue remain stagnant? I don't think you understand how the economy really works. If low/middle class people have more money, they spend more money, thus creating demand for products, services, etc...
Wait, so they are already on the verge of collapse, even before the pay increases happen?!
If business was anywhere near as fragile as you seem to think, it would have never existed to begin with.
I don't think you understand how the economy really works. If low/middle class people have more money, they spend more money, thus creating demand for products, services, etc...
Then lets just give them free everything. Because if what you earn and what you have isnt based on what you do then lets just put all the people in condos and serve them 3 meals a day on tax payer expense. I dont see people dying in the street due to lack of food or housing. Do we have that? Yes, but its a very rare instance and their are already organizations and support systems in place to help them.
Then bump it up to 20 or 30 and watch the economy expand to heights never before thought possible.
Then lets just give them free everything. Because if what you earn and what you have isnt based on what you do then lets just put all the people in condos and serve them 3 meals a day on tax payer expense. I dont see people dying in the street due to lack of food or housing. Do we have that? Yes, but its a very rare instance and their are already organizations and support systems in place to help them.
Recent? Recent as in before the federal minimum wage was raised? Or recent as in before the federal minimum wage was raised a second time or a third time in the last ten years? I'd say we have plenty of data to choose/look at. So what studies do you have?
You also appear to be making the same case as Michael1980 (not a good sign), in that you think doing the same thing we've been doing for the last 35+ years will some how bring about different results. You know what the definition of crazy is?
You seem like you have some anger issues. I'd focus on correcting that. Posting on the internet doesn't appear to be helping you much.
The U.S. workforce has gone through countless shifts over the years. Industries come and industries go. But what has always kept the U.S. at the top has been the leadership into the change. Except now. The industries of the future do not exist in the U.S. Preparedness towards the future does not exist in the U.S. $15min wage is a temporary band-aid for the working class of the U.S.
I'd be surprised if you were able to present a well-formed argument for why a janitor in California should have a higher quality of life than a software developer in India. Go ahead. Try.
You seem like you have some anger issues. I'd focus on correcting that. Posting on the internet doesn't appear to be helping you much.
The U.S. workforce has gone through countless shifts over the years. Industries come and industries go. But what has always kept the U.S. at the top has been the leadership into the change. Except now. The industries of the future do not exist in the U.S. Preparedness towards the future does not exist in the U.S. $15min wage is a temporary band-aid for the working class of the U.S.
I'd be surprised if you were able to present a well-formed argument for why a janitor in California should have a higher quality of life than a software developer in India. Go ahead. Try.
I'd be surprised if you were able to present a well-formed argument for why a janitor in California should have a higher quality of life than a software developer in India. Go ahead. Try.
Because we don't live in India.... They have to fix their only shit.
The rest of your post was just a bunch of dribble that made no sense, so I cut it out. The US only became an economic super power, because the rest of the industrialized world was practically bombed back into the stone age in WW2.
Here is a question for you though, why is the software developer more deserving of a higher quality of life, than the janitor? Why does the fact he was born with a slightly higher IQ make him entitled to that?
Because we don't live in India.... They have to fix their only shit.
The rest of your post was just a bunch of dribble that made no sense, so I cut it out. The US only became an economic super power, because the rest of the industrialized world was practically bombed back into the stone age in WW2.
Here is a question for you though, why is the software developer more deserving of a higher quality of life, than the janitor? Why does the fact he was born with a slightly higher IQ make him entitled to that?
He/she isn't entitled to anything, it's just that society values their product more and is willing to pay more for it.
This really isn't a discussion on who deserves more (maybe, it just seems as though the word doesn't really fit though), but whether or not it is right to force an employer to above a market driven rate by creating an artificial floor. What the definition of a "living wage" is and whether working 40 hours a week entitles one to whatever that definition entails. What the outcome will be by creating that artificial floor, will people be laid off, will their hours be cut, will the be expected to do more in the same length of time to justify the cost, will there be increased pressure to either offshore their jobs or create the technology to replace them, etc.
Define "economic super power". I believe our GDP per capita was on par with the UK's as early as the late 19th century. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread anyways, just throwing that out there.
The difference between the privilege of nationality and the privilege of IQ is that the former can be easily changed and the latter is more or less set from birth. We can always open the floodgates and allow millions of Indians move here and compete for work. The only feasible way to ensure an intelligent enough population to perform the work demanded for a modern era is by discouraging less intelligent people from reproducing. Sure, don't let the burger flippers starve to death, but giving them a wage to support a family with is a horrible idea.
He/she isn't entitled to anything, it's just that society values their product more and is willing to pay more for it.
This really isn't a discussion on who deserves more (maybe, it just seems as though the word doesn't really fit though), but whether or not it is right to force an employer to above a market driven rate by creating an artificial floor. What the definition of a "living wage" is and whether working 40 hours a week entitles one to whatever that definition entails. What the outcome will be by creating that artificial floor, will people be laid off, will their hours be cut, will the be expected to do more in the same length of time to justify the cost, will there be increased pressure to either offshore their jobs or create the technology to replace them, etc.
If society has to be 'rigged' around something, I suppose intelligence is the best construct. Though, I would argue our society is based far more around wealth, rather than intelligence.
You have to have an artificial floor, because we know the industry cannot regulate itself.
I agree with your first statement and think that inequality (another bad word that doesn't really describe it well) is very real problem. The vast and growing gulf between the rich and poor has all manner of negative effects such as eroding our democracy and creating a tenuous and unstable political climate, and this is further compounded by the erosion of the middle class.
As far as the second quote though, in a truly free market as far as wages are concerned the industry nor the government are the ones doing the regulating. Market forces of supply and demand come together to find an equilibrium price (wage).