Somebody forgot to tell Joe this wasn't a town hall

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Why can't we do this House of Commons style? Put the president in the center floor, let him talk about his policies, representatives in the gallery can heckle/respond/whatever, and the president can respond back. Lots of laughs, heckling, boos, and cheers. All on glorious CSPAN.

Gordon Brown vs. some dude

:laugh:

:thumbsup:

Politicians are only putting on a show of being "polite and respectful" anyway, so why not just drop all the pretenses and go all out?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?

February 2005, look it up. They booed and heckled.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

No, your moral equivalency is hillarious. Unprecedented.

Yeah, except no. Where did I ever say this rep yelling at the president was okay? Pro tip: I didn't. I'm not the one in here trying to justify something my side did while vilifying the other side for a very similar action...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?

February 2005, look it up. They booed and heckled.

Nobody did anything like this. Booing at certain parts of joint session speeches has been happening for a long time. Screaming personal insults at the president while he's speaking has not.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?

February 2005, look it up. They booed and heckled.

I posted the video link earlier in the thread. It's already being spun and justified away.

:laugh:

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

No, your moral equivalency is hillarious. Unprecedented.

Yeah, except no. Where did I ever say this rep yelling at the president was okay? Pro tip: I didn't. I'm not the one in here trying to justify something my side did while vilifying the other side for a very similar action...

why do you associate yourself with a side in politics like its a football team?
either party should be called out when they do something stupid/disrespectful.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: evident
dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Speaking only for myself of course, booing is about as inappropriate as a brief outburst in this situation. No member of Congress has to agree with the Pres. all the time - that's just obvious - but at least respect the office. If you don't like what's being said, then don't applaud (silence says a lot) and issue a well-reasoned rebuttal statement afterward. Booing is fine at a sporting event (and should be legally required anytime the Dallas Cowboys take the field ), but not when the Pres. is addressing Congress.

I think booing in disapproval of something the President said is quite a bit different than screaming a personal insult. Neither one is super-classy... but still.

That's right, neither is super-classy, so it's really just a matter of degree, since both are boorish behavior inappropriate to the setting. Neither one really advances the debate in a constructive, civil, or intelligent manner, so to me, they're not that different at all. Neither a boo nor a "You lie!!" is really an intelligent rebuttal, so why split hairs? We'll just have to disagree on that one.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

No, your moral equivalency is hillarious. Unprecedented.

Yeah, except no. Where did I ever say this rep yelling at the president was okay? Pro tip: I didn't. I'm not the one in here trying to justify something my side did while vilifying the other side for a very similar action...

why do you associate yourself with a side in politics like its a football team?
either party should be called out when they do something stupid/disrespectful.

Originally posted by: evident
same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

???

You should ask the same question of yourself...since you have quite clearly chosen a side.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

No, your moral equivalency is hillarious. Unprecedented.

Yeah, except no. Where did I ever say this rep yelling at the president was okay? Pro tip: I didn't. I'm not the one in here trying to justify something my side did while vilifying the other side for a very similar action...

why do you associate yourself with a side in politics like its a football team?
either party should be called out when they do something stupid/disrespectful.

Originally posted by: evident
same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

???

You should ask the same question of yourself...since you have quite clearly chosen a side.

so calling out the GOP automatically makes me a democrat?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYk_fk7ygzc

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: evident
dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Speaking only for myself of course, booing is about as inappropriate as a brief outburst in this situation. No member of Congress has to agree with the Pres. all the time - that's just obvious - but at least respect the office. If you don't like what's being said, then don't applaud (silence says a lot) and issue a well-reasoned rebuttal statement afterward. Booing is fine at a sporting event (and should be legally required anytime the Dallas Cowboys take the field ), but not when the Pres. is addressing Congress.

I think booing in disapproval of something the President said is quite a bit different than screaming a personal insult. Neither one is super-classy... but still.

That's right, neither is super-classy, so it's really just a matter of degree, since both are boorish behavior inappropriate to the setting. Neither one really advances the debate in a constructive, civil, or intelligent manner, so to me, they're not that different at all. Neither a boo nor a "You lie!!" is really an intelligent rebuttal, so why split hairs? We'll just have to disagree on that one.

Being a lawyer and all, you should know better than most that the degree of the offense can mean a lot.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

No, your moral equivalency is hillarious. Unprecedented.

Yeah, except no. Where did I ever say this rep yelling at the president was okay? Pro tip: I didn't. I'm not the one in here trying to justify something my side did while vilifying the other side for a very similar action...

why do you associate yourself with a side in politics like its a football team?
either party should be called out when they do something stupid/disrespectful.

Originally posted by: evident
same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

???

You should ask the same question of yourself...since you have quite clearly chosen a side.

so calling out the GOP automatically makes me a democrat?

I reckon you fancy yourself as a "Progressive Independent", and considering you said "same GOP formula", you have made the statement that they do this all the time, and that it is a formula that only the GOP follows, since you specifically said "GOP" and not "all politicians".

How often do you "call out" the Democrats? Hmm...I'd also wager that it is far less (if at all) than you "call out" the GOP.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are applause lines that frequently have elicited boos or cheers during speeches like this. There's almost no precedent for members of Congress pulling something like this, certainly not recently. It's hardly a huge deal, but it will hurt the GOP as it plays into the Democrats' strategy of painting them as being crazed and blinded by hatred of Obama.

Actually I think it will play the other way. The American people are tired of obama and the democrats trying to deflect criticism and unanswered questions about the healthcare bill constantly. This congressman will be paraded in the media for the next two weeks all the while the dems in congress trying to hammer this bill through can do so quitely while everyone's attention is diverted. It is not about hatred of obama it is about him going against the majority of the American people.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Being a lawyer and all, you should know better than most that the degree of the offense can mean a lot.

Oh, absolutely, which is why Wilson knew very quickly he screwed up in a new and unprecedented way, and rushed to apologize within minutes or hours. And we can both agree that at least in America, boorish behavior isn't a crime. At least for now.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are applause lines that frequently have elicited boos or cheers during speeches like this. There's almost no precedent for members of Congress pulling something like this, certainly not recently. It's hardly a huge deal, but it will hurt the GOP as it plays into the Democrats' strategy of painting them as being crazed and blinded by hatred of Obama.

Actually I think it will play the other way. The American people are tired of obama and the democrats trying to deflect criticism and unanswered questions about the healthcare bill constantly. This congressman will be paraded in the media for the next two weeks all the while the dems in congress trying to hammer this bill through can do so quitely while everyone's attention is diverted. It is not about hatred of obama it is about him going against the majority of the American people.

I've found that any time someone says 'the american people [think this]', what they actually mean is 'I desperately hope I can convince the american people to [think this]'.

It's definitely about hatred of Obama, that much is clear. There are large policy differences as well, but the Obama hate is hard to disguise, and they haven't even tried particularly hard.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: eskimospy
There are applause lines that frequently have elicited boos or cheers during speeches like this. There's almost no precedent for members of Congress pulling something like this, certainly not recently. It's hardly a huge deal, but it will hurt the GOP as it plays into the Democrats' strategy of painting them as being crazed and blinded by hatred of Obama.

Actually I think it will play the other way. The American people are tired of obama and the democrats trying to deflect criticism and unanswered questions about the healthcare bill constantly. This congressman will be paraded in the media for the next two weeks all the while the dems in congress trying to hammer this bill through can do so quitely while everyone's attention is diverted. It is not about hatred of obama it is about him going against the majority of the American people.

interesting take.

I wonder how the media is playing it right now...that could be telling....

 

[DealMonkey]

http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/

:laugh:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

There were boos and cheers today too... and I seem to recall them in all the addresses I've seen.

 

[waggy]

boo's and cheers are one thing. but to yell out "liar" is another.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Being a lawyer and all, you should know better than most that the degree of the offense can mean a lot.

Oh, absolutely, which is why Wilson knew very quickly he screwed up in a new and unprecedented way, and rushed to apologize within minutes or hours. And we can both agree that at least in America, boorish behavior isn't a crime. At least for now.

Yeap. Like I said in my first post, I don't think this is a huge deal. I think it hurts the GOP politically as it plays into their opponent's narrative, but people have a right to be jackasses all they want.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
Booing is fine at a sporting event (and should be legally required anytime the Dallas Cowboys take the field )

I'd support such legislation. :thumbsup:

 

[jonks]

This isn't a partisan issue.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ells-lie-obama-speech/

Reaction to the outburst included criticism from members of Wilson's own party.

"Anybody who would cat-call the president of the United States addressing this body is very, very inappropriate, and he will hear from a lot of us about that," Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., told FOX News Radio.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Wilson's behavior was "totally disrespectful. There is no place for it in that setting, or any other, and he should apologize for it immediately."

Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois called it "crude and disrespectful."

Booing or applauding in between the pauses is something we frequently see. Calling the president a liar during a joint session speech? That's a new one on me.

Barney Frank summed it up though. Obama must really be pissing off the Reps. Still, he pointed out the mic the gallery in England to amplify the hecklers and Obama's a big boy, he can take it. Still, it's a breach of American decorum. They frequently engage in fist fights in the Diet, doesn't mean it's par for us.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Wilson will later be invited on Fox and Friends as the courageous person who dared to show disapproval of Obama's socialism & death panels. Obama couldn't ask for better, with enemies like him, who needs friends? There he was, being all non-partisan, and this guy draws an unCongresslike conduct foul. You can't write a better script for Obama than that. Bless your little heart, Joe Wilson, you done good for your country today. Another South Carolina Republican low. Before this, their governor ran into the woods for 4 days because he saw a coyote andhe wanted to fuck it.

They can't get past their schoolyard mentality. After telling themselves so many lies about Obama not being an American, wanting to kill your grandma, knowing black magic, having to file down his horns twice a week, and having a pit viper instead of a penis, of course they can't summon the decency to sit and listen to the president talk without sniggering about how good the last blowjob they got from the insurance lobby was.

Far as I can tell, the Republicans have realized that, since they're the minority, they get to act like it. But since they have so little practice with it, they're going waaaaaay over the top and making fools of themselves. Meanwhile, the Democrats haven't realized they're in the majority yet, so they're still acting like they're not in control. So we have the people who usually take the role of responsible adult acting like whiny, bitchy children and the people who usually take the role of rebellious teenager still acting like rebellious teenagers who have no idea how to care for whiny, bitchy children.

What is happening to the Republican party? It's just becoming a confederation of paranoid nutbags pandering to other paranoid nutbags. Why do the GOP forget their own words, You can't criticize a president in a time of war! Especially from another galaxy!

 

[villageidiot111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Being a lawyer and all, you should know better than most that the degree of the offense can mean a lot.

Oh, absolutely, which is why Wilson knew very quickly he screwed up in a new and unprecedented way, and rushed to apologize within minutes or hours. And we can both agree that at least in America, boorish behavior isn't a crime. At least for now.

Yeap. Like I said in my first post, I don't think this is a huge deal. I think it hurts the GOP politically as it plays into their opponent's narrative, but people have a right to be jackasses all they want.

I would hope that that a representative of the people, supposedly the best of the best, would have enough self control to not act like a jackass in front of the President. He may have the right to do it, but that does not make it appropriate. His outburst shows a lack of intelligence and control.

 

[Ronstang]

At least he apologized. If it were a Dem all of you would be doing the apologizing while he smugly held his ground and position.