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Engineer

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LOL @ the dude from SC. He did nothing except unify the Dems, even if only a little more than they were. Fail.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
More faux outrage from the left, from the Queen Bee all the way down to the minions here. Was it appropriate? No. Are we splitting hairs to justify one party's slimy actions to pave the way for justifying the other's? Absolutely. Oh, and LMFAO at evident's disingenuous posturing as an Independent.

yep, i guess i am a commie pinko liberal for being sick and tired of the GOP's drum beating and BS lies :roll:

I never said you were a commie pinko liberal... I said you were a fraud/liar. RPS already did a fine job of highlighting why your posturing is bullshit, so there's no need for me to elaborate.

RPS did nothing but make himself look like a douche as usual. i asked a simple honest question then got back a typical partisan response. and i believe the faux outrage was coming from the rep who shouted out liar. i wasn't trying to justify the dems booing bush, but applauds and boos always happened during speeches with any president at a stopping point as far as i remember. can you really compare the video he posted w/ some small grumblings in the back w/ what happened yesterday? still its not classy but was a little bit different. Text

same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

Sorry, Chief. Because you insinuate that this sort of behavior is the domain of the GOP proves that all you've done is bring your own brand of partisan hackery to the table, in the form of faux objectivity. Fact: you are not a moderate/indie. That you're so defensive about it to me, RPS, and others, only validates what we already know to be true. Let's call a spade a spade: you're a Democrat. Don't be so ashamed.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
More faux outrage from the left, from the Queen Bee all the way down to the minions here. Was it appropriate? No. Are we splitting hairs to justify one party's slimy actions to pave the way for justifying the other's? Absolutely. Oh, and LMFAO at evident's disingenuous posturing as an Independent.

yep, i guess i am a commie pinko liberal for being sick and tired of the GOP's drum beating and BS lies :roll:

I never said you were a commie pinko liberal... I said you were a fraud/liar. RPS already did a fine job of highlighting why your posturing is bullshit, so there's no need for me to elaborate.

RPS did nothing but make himself look like a douche as usual. i asked a simple honest question then got back a typical partisan response. and i believe the faux outrage was coming from the rep who shouted out liar. i wasn't trying to justify the dems booing bush, but applauds and boos always happened during speeches with any president at a stopping point as far as i remember. can you really compare the video he posted w/ some small grumblings in the back w/ what happened yesterday? still its not classy but was a little bit different. Text

same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

Sorry, Chief. Because you insinuate that this sort of behavior is the domain of the GOP proves that all you've done is bring your own brand of partisan hackery to the table, in the form of faux objectivity. Fact: you are not a moderate/indie. That you're so defensive about it to me, RPS, and others, only validates what we already know to be true. Let's call a spade a spade: you're a Democrat. Don't be so ashamed.

if being anti-GOP means im a democrat these days then whatever. you win, it doesnt change the fact that the GOP is filled with monkeys and subhumans these days that can't see past their own shit.
 

Phokus

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If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: jbourne77
More faux outrage from the left, from the Queen Bee all the way down to the minions here. Was it appropriate? No. Are we splitting hairs to justify one party's slimy actions to pave the way for justifying the other's? Absolutely. Oh, and LMFAO at evident's disingenuous posturing as an Independent.

yep, i guess i am a commie pinko liberal for being sick and tired of the GOP's drum beating and BS lies :roll:

I never said you were a commie pinko liberal... I said you were a fraud/liar. RPS already did a fine job of highlighting why your posturing is bullshit, so there's no need for me to elaborate.

RPS did nothing but make himself look like a douche as usual. i asked a simple honest question then got back a typical partisan response. and i believe the faux outrage was coming from the rep who shouted out liar. i wasn't trying to justify the dems booing bush, but applauds and boos always happened during speeches with any president at a stopping point as far as i remember. can you really compare the video he posted w/ some small grumblings in the back w/ what happened yesterday? still its not classy but was a little bit different. Text

same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

Sorry, Chief. Because you insinuate that this sort of behavior is the domain of the GOP proves that all you've done is bring your own brand of partisan hackery to the table, in the form of faux objectivity. Fact: you are not a moderate/indie. That you're so defensive about it to me, RPS, and others, only validates what we already know to be true. Let's call a spade a spade: you're a Democrat. Don't be so ashamed.

if being anti-GOP means im a democrat these days then whatever. you win, it doesnt change the fact that the GOP is filled with monkeys and subhumans these days that can't see past their own shit.

No argument there. I only postulate that the dems' hands are equally as dirty. All moderates know this
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.
 

Schmide

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An Appeal to Common Practice (fallacy) is kind of a lame justification for this.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.

The problem is, you make a case of equivalency which is beyond ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The level of hysteria (which are based upon lies) demonstrated by 'your side' has reached ridiculous depths. Whether it's screaming at town halls about 'DEATH PANELS', or crying about obama 'indoctrinating our kids' by encouraging them to study hard (while COMPLETELY ignoring reagan indoctrinating kids with his economic policies http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=5933217), or bashing clinton over his infidelities (while having infidelities of your own, and for maximum hypocrisy, some even in homosexual nature) or even committing terrorist acts (i.e. all those Glenn Beck/Fox News inspired terrorists), you cannot be serious in arguing who behaves 'worse'.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Schmide
An Appeal to Common Practice (fallacy) is kind of a lame justification for this.

There is zero justification for this. I don't care if booing is standard fare or if throwing bricks is. If someone else has the floor, you sit still like a good little boy and wait your turn. The idiot with the sign in his lap was just as childish.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.

The problem is, you make a case of equivalency which is beyond ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The level of hysteria (which are based upon lies) demonstrated by 'your side' has reached ridiculous depths. Whether it's screaming at town halls about 'DEATH PANELS', or crying about obama 'indoctrinating our kids' by encouraging them to study hard (while COMPLETELY ignoring reagan indoctrinating kids with his economic policies http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=5933217), or even committing terrorist acts (i.e. all those Glenn Beck/Fox News inspired terrorists), you cannot be serious in arguing who behaves 'worse'.

I'm not arguing "who behaves worse." I'm pretty sure that's been quite clear. I don't think anyone could begin to determine who behaves worse. That is, in fact, my entire point.
 
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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.

The problem is, you make a case of equivalency which is beyond ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The level of hysteria (which are based upon lies) demonstrated by 'your side' has reached ridiculous depths. Whether it's screaming at town halls about 'DEATH PANELS', or crying about obama 'indoctrinating our kids' by encouraging them to study hard (while COMPLETELY ignoring reagan indoctrinating kids with his economic policies http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=5933217), or even committing terrorist acts (i.e. all those Glenn Beck/Fox News inspired terrorists), you cannot be serious in arguing who behaves 'worse'.

I'm not arguing "who behaves worse." I'm pretty sure that's been quite clear. I don't think anyone could begin to determine who behaves worse. That is, in fact, my entire point.

As someone who is not an American, i'd say that the Republicans in office took care of whatever you need to worry about regarding "being worse" for a good 200 years.

I don't think that such a corrupt and quite frankly manipulative to a level which made the Afghanistan election seem kinda fair has or ever will hold office in the US ever before or ever again.

At least Blair had the decensy to resign when the lies that created the war were made public. He should still be shot though, of course, that is the punishment for treason.

But don't mind me, i'm just a Brit passing through this thread.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.

The problem is, you make a case of equivalency which is beyond ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The level of hysteria (which are based upon lies) demonstrated by 'your side' has reached ridiculous depths. Whether it's screaming at town halls about 'DEATH PANELS', or crying about obama 'indoctrinating our kids' by encouraging them to study hard (while COMPLETELY ignoring reagan indoctrinating kids with his economic policies http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=5933217), or even committing terrorist acts (i.e. all those Glenn Beck/Fox News inspired terrorists), you cannot be serious in arguing who behaves 'worse'.

I'm not arguing "who behaves worse." I'm pretty sure that's been quite clear. I don't think anyone could begin to determine who behaves worse. That is, in fact, my entire point.

This is only true if you shut your eyes and ears. Who behaves worse has everything to do with you arguing about pointing out who's shit stinks on the other side while ignoring that on your own side. And it's the Republicans who act like garbage by a LONG stretch.

Tell me, who is the liberal equivalent to Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, G Gordon Liddy, etc. etc.? Even your entire strategy on winning elections is based on being as scummy as possible.
 
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

My point isn't about Obama or Novak...are you being intentionally obtuse? It's about the insanity of extreme partisanship.

Actually, it's extremely relevant who we're talking about. Because Novak COMMITTED TREASON.

Is hoping Osama Bin laden being executed out of bounds now?
Interesting...I wasn't aware that Novak was convicted of treason...much less indicted for that that particular crime IIRC. But like I said before...this isn't about Obama or Novak (nor Bush, Kennedy, Rove, Pelosi, Clinton, or Osama Bin Laden for that matter)...it's about the insanity of extremely partisan political ideologies.

Some people have a million justifications for their vitriol, hatred and bigotry...making it impossible to conceive a reality beyond their highly polarized stereotypes of human beings who are different than themselves...be it Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Islamists, Black, White, etc. Stereotypes and bigotry is how a small mind deals with a complex world.

Bottom line...wishing the death and suffering of Obama or Novak (on any basis) is just plain sick. To say one deserves it more than the other is a testament to the depths of one's partisan bigotry. I don't know how I can be any clearer. Seek help....perhaps you and mstersmith can carpool and split expenses with joint sessions.
 

Schmide

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Schmide
An Appeal to Common Practice (fallacy) is kind of a lame justification for this.

There is zero justification for this. I don't care if booing is standard fare or if throwing bricks is. If someone else has the floor, you sit still like a good little boy and wait your turn. The idiot with the sign in his lap was just as childish.

I'm not sure what you're arguing against or with, but from what I garner, you seem to be attempting to group the single act with all transgressions of decorum on both sides. Thus an appeal to common practice. It comes across as lame like the speeder who cries when he or she gets pulled over and says well everyone speeds.
 

Engineer

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This has done nothing but help Obama and the Dems on this issue.

The 'You lie!' aftermath


30 mins ago

Though President Obama has formally accepted the apology of Joe "You lie!" Wilson, the fallout from the emotional outburst continues to ripple across the nation, even raising doubts about the Republican congressman's political future.

Ninety minutes after Obama finished his address, the South Carolina representative?who yelled out "You lie!" after the president said he had never proposed providing coverage to illegal immigrants?issued a statement explaining he "let my emotions get the best of me." According to the congressman's office, Wilson also made a personal phone call to the White House in hopes of apologizing to Obama himself, but instead had to express his apologies to gatekeeper Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

Disapproving co-workers

Amid the regret and confessions of guilt, USA Today reports on the disapproval coming from both sides of the political aisle:

"There ought to be a reprimand or censure of Rep. Joe Wilson to discourage that kind of conduct in the future," Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., said via Twitter.

"I cringed," Rep. David Dreier, the top-ranking Republican on the House Rules Committee, said about his reaction to the outburst. "I think it's just unfortunate."

"I've been here a long time," said House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y.,a 23-year House veteran, "I've never heard anyone accost a president like that."

Even Sen. John McCain, Obama's recent opponent, chimed in on CNN to call it "totally disrespectful" and was one of several senior Republicans to urge Wilson to apologize.

Campaign gets new life

In addition to the flak Wilson's received from his colleagues, the American people are making their disdain known as well. According to The Nation, Rob Miller, a Democrat and Marine Corps veteran, who was planning to run against Wilson in 2010, raised more than $50,000 for his campaign within just a few hours after Wilson's outburst.

Miller, who ran in 2008 without any help from national Democrats, lost to Wilson 46 to 54 percent. But with his newfound boost in popularity, his campaign has been given a new life. He tweeted Wednesday night: "55K raised, let's double THAT in 12 hours."

According to Miller's site, ActBlue.com, Miller has raised over $300,000 since Thursday afternoon. Almost half of the money has come from readers of the progressive blog Daily Kos, who created a fundraising page called "Defeating the man who yelled 'liar' at Obama."


But who's the liar?

As it turns out, the man who called Obama the liar may actually be off base. According to Politifact.com, a nonpartisan site dedicated to fact-checking the claims of "candidates, elected officials, political parties, interest groups, pundits, talk show hosts," Obama wasn't lying when he said the health-care reforms he's proposing would not apply to illegal immigrants.

"Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama 'lied.' We rate Wilson's statement False."

From tearful town halls to emotional public outbursts, from finger-pointing to even finger-biting, if we've learned anything from the past few months it's that debating health care has the ability to elicit the rawest, sometimes basest emotions from the people of this country.

We've also learned it's a bad time to be a congressman with the last name Wilson. (Ohio congressman Charlie Wilson, with no relation to Joe Wilson?or to Texas politician Charlie Wilson of the movie "Charlie Wilson's War"?has since been put in an awkward position.)





? Allison Louie-Garcia
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Interesting...I wasn't aware that Novak was convicted of treason...much less indicted for that that particular crime IIRC.

Yeah, i too, am shocked the the Bush administration (who commuted Scotter Libby's sentence) would be unwilling to hold people on 'his team' accountable. He outed a CIA agent with malicious intent, he's a treasonous piece of shit, get over it.

But like I said before...this isn't about Obama or Novak (nor Bush, Kennedy, Rove, Pelosi, Clinton, or Osama Bin Laden for that matter)...it's about the insanity of extremely partisan political ideologies.

I agree, and the 'extremely partisan political ideologues' are on your side. You guys chose to kick out 'RINOS' (aka, moderates and liberals who don't toe the GOP line) from your party, this is what you get.

Some people have a million justifications for their vitriol, hatred and bigotry...making it impossible to conceive a reality beyond their highly polarized stereotypes of human beings who are different than themselves...be it Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Islamists, Black, White, etc. Stereotypes and bigotry is how a small mind deals with a complex world.

Haha, yeah, me thinking Novak should be executed is because he's a republican. FYI, i've never ever said bush should die (although he should definitely be behind bars).

Bottom line...wishing the death and suffering of Obama or Novak (on any basis) is just plain sick. To say one deserves it more than the other is a testament to the depths of one's partisan bigotry. I don't know how I can be any clearer. Seek help....perhaps you and mstersmith can carpool and split expenses with joint sessions.

And you comparing both views shows what a partisan hack you are.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.

The problem is, you make a case of equivalency which is beyond ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The level of hysteria (which are based upon lies) demonstrated by 'your side' has reached ridiculous depths. Whether it's screaming at town halls about 'DEATH PANELS', or crying about obama 'indoctrinating our kids' by encouraging them to study hard (while COMPLETELY ignoring reagan indoctrinating kids with his economic policies http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=5933217), or even committing terrorist acts (i.e. all those Glenn Beck/Fox News inspired terrorists), you cannot be serious in arguing who behaves 'worse'.

I'm not arguing "who behaves worse." I'm pretty sure that's been quite clear. I don't think anyone could begin to determine who behaves worse. That is, in fact, my entire point.

This is only true if you shut your eyes and ears. Who behaves worse has everything to do with you arguing about pointing out who's shit stinks on the other side while ignoring that on your own side. And it's the Republicans who act like garbage by a LONG stretch.

Tell me, who is the liberal equivalent to Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, G Gordon Liddy, etc. etc.? Even your entire strategy on winning elections is based on being as scummy as possible.

"My entire strategy?" This might be hard to believe, but not everyone who opposes your view, Phokus, can be neatly grouped into one of two groups .
 

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Phokus

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Phokus
If 'saying bad things' about the GOP is all it takes to be a democrat, then Arkaign's a democrat as well :roll:

As a conservative, I also have to say that :

Republicans are generally not interested in truth if it interferes with their bottom line. They'll use any means necessary, lies, cheating, and stealing to push their agenda. That's the nature of the people we are dealing with at the top of the Republican party.

You're glossing over the context, Phokus. Nowhere did I say/imply that if you say something negative about the GOP, then you're a Democrat. What I said, which was quite obvious, really, is that not recognizing these faults in BOTH parties makes you a partisan HACK.

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How ----ing idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Ironically, I've seen a number of democrats here advocate violence against the opposition. Again, if you can't recognize this kind of scumbaggery in your own party, you're part of the problem.

The problem is, you make a case of equivalency which is beyond ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. The level of hysteria (which are based upon lies) demonstrated by 'your side' has reached ridiculous depths. Whether it's screaming at town halls about 'DEATH PANELS', or crying about obama 'indoctrinating our kids' by encouraging them to study hard (while COMPLETELY ignoring reagan indoctrinating kids with his economic policies http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=5933217), or even committing terrorist acts (i.e. all those Glenn Beck/Fox News inspired terrorists), you cannot be serious in arguing who behaves 'worse'.

I'm not arguing "who behaves worse." I'm pretty sure that's been quite clear. I don't think anyone could begin to determine who behaves worse. That is, in fact, my entire point.

This is only true if you shut your eyes and ears. Who behaves worse has everything to do with you arguing about pointing out who's shit stinks on the other side while ignoring that on your own side. And it's the Republicans who act like garbage by a LONG stretch.

Tell me, who is the liberal equivalent to Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, G Gordon Liddy, etc. etc.? Even your entire strategy on winning elections is based on being as scummy as possible.

"My entire strategy?" This might be hard to believe, but not everyone who opposes your view, Phokus, can be neatly grouped into one of two groups .

Sorry, i keep on forgetting you're a 'libertarian', but anyway, my point still stands: you have to be blind and deaf if you think any sort of equivalency in judging both parties is in any way shape or form appropriate.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Fact-check, Joe you f'ing douchebag liar:

The statement:

-snip-

Get your facts straight before you open your mouth next time, Joe.

And Fact-Check is full of sh!t.

If you read the bill you'd find any proceedures to prevent illegals from even the credit are as yet undefined. They are to be determined later, so Fact-Check can't letigimately make that claim based on unknowns.

Beside, the Congressional Research Service has already ruled contrary to Fact-Check.

Fern
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Patranus
I thought we had a right to disagree with any administration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0


Was it classless? Maybe but let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...tate_of_the_union.html

and

President Obama accused Bill Clinton of peddling "bald-faced lies" during the presidential campaign, according to a new book on the 2008 race.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic...lling-bald-faced-lies/

yes, clearly calling someone a liar in a book (edit: haha, he didn't even do it PUBLICLY, he said it privately, holy shit you're dumb patranus) is equivalent to shouting over a speaking president where rules of decorum are supposed to prevent those outbursts. Clearly the setting doesn't matter at all. Do all conservatives strive to be as retarded as possible or what?

Members of Congress use extremely polite, old-fashioned language and decorum (or etiquette) during their debates. Officially, members do not even address each other but speak always to the presiding officer: ?Mr. President? in the Senate or ?Mr. Speaker? in the House. They call other members by title rather than by name. References to ?my esteemed colleague,? ?the very able senior senator from ?,? and ?the distinguished representative from ?? litter the Congressional Record. House and Senate rules prohibit any speaker from questioning another member's motives or referring offensively to other states. If a senator breaks these rules, the presiding officer can require that senetor to sit down and not speak again without the permission of the Senate. The Speaker may similarly call the name of any House member causing commotion and order that person to sit down.


http://rules.house.gov/archives/house_decorum.htm


* Address themselves solely and directly to the Chair. They may not address other Members, individuals in the gallery, or persons who might be observing through the media.

* Avoid characterizing another Member's personal intent or motives and discussing personalities.

* Refrain from speaking disrespectfully of the Speaker, other Members, the President or Vice President.
 

sportage

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I love this...
So lets add up.
So far republicans have:
Sarah palin
Joe Wilson
Fox News
Rush

hehehehehe
 
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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Fact-check, Joe you f'ing douchebag liar:

The statement:

-snip-

Get your facts straight before you open your mouth next time, Joe.

And Fact-Check is full of sh!t.

If you read the bill you'd find any proceedures to prevent illegals from even the credit are as yet undefined. They are to be determined later, so Fact-Check can't letigimately make that claim based on unknowns.

Beside, the Congressional Research Service has already ruled contrary to Fact-Check.

Fern

So the bill doesn't actually change sheit about how "illegal" immigrants are treated then....

Well jolly good for you i suppose.
 

2Xtreme21

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Haven't read the entire thread, but:

Joe Wilson has accepted $244,196 from health care industry lobbyists.

During President Obama?s address on health insurance reform to a joint session of Congress last night, he observed that some people have been spreading bad information about his proposal ? and that contrary to what?s been said it would not cover illegal immigrants.

At that point the president was interrupted by Rep. Addison Graves ?Joe? Wilson (right), a Republican from South Carolina.

?You lie!? Wilson shouted from the crowd.

Obama paused for a moment before continuing his address as Wilson?s colleagues looked on in shock following the breach of protocol.

Whether because of his outspokenness or in spite of it, Wilson is a major recipient of contributions from the health care industry.

In fact, over his entire congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson?s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics OpenSecrets.org database. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes.

Among Wilson?s top contributors are the American Hospital Association, a lobby group that represents the interests of hospitals and health networks, and the American Medical Association, which represents physicians.

During a post-speech interview with CNN?s Larry King, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Wilson should apologize, calling his behavior ?totally disrespectful.? Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky told the New York Times that Wilson?s behavior was ?not appropriate.?

Wilson?s office later issued an apology for the outburst:

?This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the president?s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the president?s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility.?

It was not the first time Wilson ? attorney, U.S. Army vet and former aide to U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond ? has raised eyebrows by shouting at political opponents.

Seven years ago this month, the then-freshman Wilson appeared on C-SPAN?s ?Washington Journal? with five-term Congressman Bob Filner (D-Calif.) to discuss whether to go to war in Iraq, action that Filner opposed but Wilson supported. In the course of the discussion, Filner noted that the U.S. supplied weapons to Saddam Hussein?s regime during the Iran-Iraq War ? a fact revealed by the investigation into the Iran-Contra Affair, which discovered the Reagan administration secretly sold weapons to Iran, then under an arms embargo, to win support for freeing U.S. hostages in Lebanon and to fund the Nicaraguan contras, a counterrevolutionary rebel force that was fighting the country?s government.

But Filner?s statement incensed Wilson, as the Washington Post reported at the time:

?That is wrong. That?s made up,? Wilson fired back. ?I can?t believe you would say something like that.?

When Filner calmly held his ground, advising Wilson to read newspaper reports and other documentation, the Republican erupted: ?This hatred of America by some people is just outrageous. And you need to get over that.?

As moderator Connie Brod sat by helplessly, Filner challenged: ?Hatred of America? . . . Are you accusing me??

?Yes!? Wilson shouted. For good measure, over the next minute Wilson accused Filner of harboring ?hatred of America? four more times, of being ?hateful? three times and of being ?viscerally anti-American? once. Filner responded, ?This is not worth replying to,? and Brod finally regained control of the discussion by taking viewer phone calls.

All comes down to $$$.
 
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