someone esplain diamonds to me

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Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

Why would any rational person pay thousands of dollars for a lump of compressed coal, that was sold by a company that started off exploiting labor in a war ravaged?
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
24,326
68
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It makes me sick to my stomach thinking about buying one of these useless rocks.
 

Jack Ryan

Golden Member
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

Why would any rational person pay thousands of dollars for a lump of compressed coal, that was sold by a company that started off exploiting labor in a war ravaged?

The same reason someone buys a 5500 sq ft house or a $50K car. It is a luxury.

Why ATOT feels the need to crap in people's threads is beyond me.

Gun threads -> People bad mouthing guns
Diamonds -> People bad mouthing diamonds
Housing -> People saying "why do you live in such an expensive area, I like in bumblefuck, KY and my mortgage payment is $500 a month!"

Seriously, if you have no constructive input, don't type.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
9,671
580
126
My girl would kill me if I got her a diamond ring.. She likes sapphires more.. Not to mention she insists on lab created because she likes them for the beauty *not* the price.

Why can't women be more sensible about these things?
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
48,045
37,234
136
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
My girl would kill me if I got her a diamond ring.. She likes sapphires more.. Not to mention she insists on lab created because she likes them for the beauty *not* the price.

Why can't women be more sensible about these things?

Because the marketing worked to well.

Colored gemstones are actually more legitimately valuable due to them being much less rare than diamonds and not part of a market where prices are kept high by hoarding the supply.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
35,461
4
76
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

Why would any rational person pay thousands of dollars for a lump of compressed coal, that was sold by a company that started off exploiting labor in a war ravaged?

The same reason someone buys a 5500 sq ft house or a $50K car. It is a luxury.

Why ATOT feels the need to crap in people's threads is beyond me.

Gun threads -> People bad mouthing guns
Diamonds -> People bad mouthing diamonds
Housing -> People saying "why do you live in such an expensive area, I like in bumblefuck, KY and my mortgage payment is $500 a month!"

Seriously, if you have no constructive input, don't type.

You can shoot people and protect property with guns...
You can live, sleep and do other things in a house.


Diamonds...you can scratch a glass with them and usually get sexual favors in return for them....think that's about it...
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Mar 20, 2000
102,358
8,447
126
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

thanks!

Originally posted by: jdobratz
Round cuts are more expensive because they waste more of the raw diamond than the more square cuts.

got it!
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Mar 20, 2000
102,358
8,447
126
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
My girl would kill me if I got her a diamond ring.. She likes sapphires more.. Not to mention she insists on lab created because she likes them for the beauty *not* the price.

Why can't women be more sensible about these things?

you also have furries in your sig
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Mar 20, 2000
102,358
8,447
126
Originally posted by: FoBoT
assplain

it is assplain , not esplain

no i like asses that are round, high, and tight. not plain.
 

crystal

Platinum Member
Nov 5, 1999
2,424
0
0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

Why would any rational person pay thousands of dollars for a lump of compressed coal, that was sold by a company that started off exploiting labor in a war ravaged?

The same reason someone buys a 5500 sq ft house or a $50K car. It is a luxury.

Why ATOT feels the need to crap in people's threads is beyond me.

Gun threads -> People bad mouthing guns
Diamonds -> People bad mouthing diamonds
Housing -> People saying "why do you live in such an expensive area, I like in bumblefuck, KY and my mortgage payment is $500 a month!"

Seriously, if you have no constructive input, don't type.

You can shoot people and protect property with guns...
You can live, sleep and do other things in a house.


Diamonds...you can scratch a glass with them and usually get sexual favors in return for them....think that's about it...

You are reaching straws. Your ignorance blinds you to some of the usefulness of diamonds.
 

mh47g

Senior member
May 25, 2007
741
0
0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

Why would any rational person pay thousands of dollars for a lump of compressed coal, that was sold by a company that started off exploiting labor in a war ravaged?

Because it will make the person you wish to spend the rest of your life with a little more happy?
 

BKLounger

Golden Member
Mar 29, 2006
1,098
0
0
speaking from very recent experience diamonds as part of a ring are pointless. A guy ends up spending 3 months (or more) salary on something that is going to go on his girl's finger so that all your relatives and her friends can oooh and ahhh about it. But debeers marketing is so absolutely genius that most women believe they need diamonds.

debeer's I may hate you but i do tip my hat to you.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
35,461
4
76
Originally posted by: crystal
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Originally posted by: ElFenix
buncha damn nefs :|

It is inevitable in diamond threads. Most cant afford them, so they badmouth them. There is a market for people buying ridiculously expensive cars as well. Still gets you from home to the grocery store.

People talk bad about:
1) things they don't know
2) things they can't afford

Diamonds usually fit into both categories.

Anyway, to answer your question... I'd recommend reading http://www.suncoastgemlab.com/diamond_education.asp.

Why would any rational person pay thousands of dollars for a lump of compressed coal, that was sold by a company that started off exploiting labor in a war ravaged?

The same reason someone buys a 5500 sq ft house or a $50K car. It is a luxury.

Why ATOT feels the need to crap in people's threads is beyond me.

Gun threads -> People bad mouthing guns
Diamonds -> People bad mouthing diamonds
Housing -> People saying "why do you live in such an expensive area, I like in bumblefuck, KY and my mortgage payment is $500 a month!"

Seriously, if you have no constructive input, don't type.

You can shoot people and protect property with guns...
You can live, sleep and do other things in a house.


Diamonds...you can scratch a glass with them and usually get sexual favors in return for them....think that's about it...

You are reaching straws. Your ignorance blinds you to some of the usefulness of diamonds.

crickets...tumbleweed....

I am listening
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
9,671
580
126
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
My girl would kill me if I got her a diamond ring.. She likes sapphires more.. Not to mention she insists on lab created because she likes them for the beauty *not* the price.

Why can't women be more sensible about these things?

you also have furries in your sig

I love the freedom to enjoy what I want. If you enjoy expensive diamonds go for it. My gf would kill me for it though
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,227
5,804
126
DeBeers can't really be blamed for the appeal of Diamonds. People have been gaga over them for Millenia.
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Mar 20, 2000
102,358
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126
just taking a look at the physical measurements over at blue nile, i noticed that diamonds don't increase in dimensions very fast as the carats increase. a .3 carat diamond is about 4x4 mm for princess cut, while a .75 carat is about 5x5 mm. 1.5 carat is 6.5x6.5. area is a square function while volume is a cubic function, of course, but i doubt anyone could tell the difference in carats just by looking at the diamonds.
 

imported_yovonbishop

Golden Member
Apr 19, 2004
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0
0
Originally posted by: ElFenix
just taking a look at the physical measurements over at blue nile, i noticed that diamonds don't increase in dimensions very fast as the carats increase. a .3 carat diamond is about 4x4 mm for princess cut, while a .75 carat is about 5x5 mm. 1.5 carat is 6.5x6.5. area is a square function while volume is a cubic function, of course, but i doubt anyone could tell the difference in carats just by looking at the diamonds.

I'll reply regarding your question rather than knock diamonds because I've got a rock on my hand and can vouch for what's important in one (although I told my SO I'd be perfectly happy with a cheap ring or none at all as long as we could get married).

Clarity is more important in appearance than size in a diamond. Two of my friends are engaged as well, and we got together and saw each other's rings (obviously we didn't get together for that purpose). Friend A's ring is huge, but has absolutely no shine whatsoever - so it quickly loses its appeal. Friend B's ring is small, and shines a bit more, it is overall better looking because you can tell the quality is better than A. My ring size-wise is between friend A and friend B, but I know my SO threw in some more money because he wanted the best clarity in the diamond. It certainly outshines the other two and makes size not even seem like a factor - only clarity because of the reflectiveness of light.

I want to point out that obviously the price of an engagement ring shouldn't at all be a factor in whether or not the girl likes it - it should be the concept of getting engaged and eventually married to that special someone. But you asked, and I told. My ring is gorgeous.
 

DBL

Platinum Member
Mar 23, 2001
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0
0
Originally posted by: yovonbishop
I'll reply regarding your question rather than knock diamonds because I've got a rock on my hand and can vouch for what's important in one (although I told my SO I'd be perfectly happy with a cheap ring or none at all as long as we could get married).

Clarity is more important in appearance than size in a diamond. Two of my friends are engaged as well, and we got together and saw each other's rings (obviously we didn't get together for that purpose). Friend A's ring is huge, but has absolutely no shine whatsoever - so it quickly loses its appeal. Friend B's ring is small, and shines a bit more, it is overall better looking because you can tell the quality is better than A. My ring size-wise is between friend A and friend B, but I know my SO threw in some more money because he wanted the best clarity in the diamond. It certainly outshines the other two and makes size not even seem like a factor - only clarity because of the reflectiveness of light.

I want to point out that obviously the price of an engagement ring shouldn't at all be a factor in whether or not the girl likes it - it should be the concept of getting engaged and eventually married to that special someone. But you asked, and I told. My ring is gorgeous.

You have confused clarity with cut.

Generally, Cut, Color and Clarity define how the diamonds reflects light with cut being the most important.

 

DBL

Platinum Member
Mar 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
just taking a look at the physical measurements over at blue nile, i noticed that diamonds don't increase in dimensions very fast as the carats increase. a .3 carat diamond is about 4x4 mm for princess cut, while a .75 carat is about 5x5 mm. 1.5 carat is 6.5x6.5. area is a square function while volume is a cubic function, of course, but i doubt anyone could tell the difference in carats just by looking at the diamonds.

Are you saying that it's hard to tell the difference between a .3ct, .75ct and a 1.5ct diamond just by looking?
 

imported_yovonbishop

Golden Member
Apr 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: yovonbishop
I'll reply regarding your question rather than knock diamonds because I've got a rock on my hand and can vouch for what's important in one (although I told my SO I'd be perfectly happy with a cheap ring or none at all as long as we could get married).

Clarity is more important in appearance than size in a diamond. Two of my friends are engaged as well, and we got together and saw each other's rings (obviously we didn't get together for that purpose). Friend A's ring is huge, but has absolutely no shine whatsoever - so it quickly loses its appeal. Friend B's ring is small, and shines a bit more, it is overall better looking because you can tell the quality is better than A. My ring size-wise is between friend A and friend B, but I know my SO threw in some more money because he wanted the best clarity in the diamond. It certainly outshines the other two and makes size not even seem like a factor - only clarity because of the reflectiveness of light.

I want to point out that obviously the price of an engagement ring shouldn't at all be a factor in whether or not the girl likes it - it should be the concept of getting engaged and eventually married to that special someone. But you asked, and I told. My ring is gorgeous.

You have confused clarity with cut.

Generally, Cut, Color and Clarity define how the diamonds reflects light with cut being the most important.


I guess I left out cut. Both mine and friend A have princess cut. I prefer princess cut because of the way it looks, but I suppose I know less about cut than other things. Both our rings are PPF style. Still, it's pretty.

 

DBL

Platinum Member
Mar 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: yovonbishop
I guess I left out cut. Both mine and friend A have princess cut. I prefer princess cut because of the way it looks, but I suppose I know less about cut than other things. Both our rings are PPF style. Still, it's pretty.

Sure there is the cut aka shape of the diamond but cut (when talking about the 3 C's) refers to the quality of the cut. This is determined by the skill of the stone cutter and many factors are considered when cutting the diamond. An excellent cut round will in general look better than an average cut round, even if the average stone has better color and clarity (within reason, of course).

That's why the cut is the most important factor. Look at the cert for your diamond. It should have a reference to the cut (other than the shape).
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
35,461
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Originally posted by: sandorski
DeBeers can't really be blamed for the appeal of Diamonds. People have been gaga over them for Millenia.

Who do you think started the diamond ad campaign?
 
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