Someone finally put those Bible thumpers in their place! Evolutionists+1!

[baoytl]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: baoytl
I wonder how some people would react if a similar sticker was placed on bibles.

What schools require you to read the Bible?

Catholic/Sunday schools? Anyways I wasn't thinking about schools, just people randomly going to motels and putting stickers on bibles or bookstores putting stickers on Bibles. I can imagine an uproar.

 

[SagaLore]

This is rediculuous:

U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper ruled that labeling evolution a "theory" played on the popular definition of the word as a "hunch" and could confuse students.

Evolution is a theory. A very scientific and useful theory, which has a lot of supporting facts like natural selection and mutation, but still very much a theory. If it were a fact, it wouldn't be as flexible as it is. The theory changes and grows based on new evidences. That's how a theory works. The Judge is a moron.

cobalt: That's the real problem, there is no disctinction in definitions anymore. There are a lot of elements to the theory that are facts, but education no longer takes the time to stress this. That isn't science, it's propoganda - or rather, wishful and unscientific thinking.

 

[Longkid]

Originally posted by: SWScorch

Originally posted by: Drekce
These judges are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing in the wording of that sticker that could be seen as unconstitutional in terms of the "separation of church and state." Evolution IS a theory by every definition of the word.

I have to agree, actually. Even though I am as non-religious as they come, I have no problems with said stickers. Evolution is a theory, simply because it is not something that can be proven. It is accepted as true, but cannot be proven, therefore, it is a theory. Oh well. I can see why they should be removed, but it wouldn't bother me if they stayed.

I?m going to assume you?ve read text on evolution and I seem to recall it being clear that its a theory. I think people are concerned that the schools placement of the stickers encourages students to brush off the idea of evolution rather than encouraging dialogue and debate over the topic.

 

[Fausto]

Local paper's blog/thread here.

You'll have to go to Bugmenot.com to get a login.

 

[Fausto]

I actually LOLed at this one.

RE: DAN Ok so the monkeys have ?ocular globs?? FINE, where did they get them. And I can?t help but notice, smart guy, that i don?t have a tail! And thats just the tip of the cake in terms of hard-hitting questions evolution has yet to answer. But one thing we will all answer to is our lord and when we do, you can bet your behind I?ll be in line with the winners.

WHERE'S MY TAIL GODDAMMIT!!!!

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Fausto
I actually LOLed at this one.

RE: DAN Ok so the monkeys have ?ocular globs?? FINE, where did they get them. And I can?t help but notice, smart guy, that i don?t have a tail! And thats just the tip of the cake in terms of hard-hitting questions evolution has yet to answer. But one thing we will all answer to is our lord and when we do, you can bet your behind I?ll be in line with the winners.

WHERE'S MY TAIL GODDAMMIT!!!!

Oh boy. Actually we do have the remnants of a tail.

 

[BullsOnParade]

god what dimwits:

...Some Christians feel that evolutionism is an atheist belief. Therfore, allowing only evolutionism in schools is discriminating against Christian belief of the origins of humans...

 

[Jzero]

There is a fine nuance between the colloquial definition of theory being something that is not proven and the scientific definition of theory being something that, while may not be directly observable, has been well-backed by solid experimental data.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Fausto
I actually LOLed at this one.

RE: DAN Ok so the monkeys have ?ocular globs?? FINE, where did they get them. And I can?t help but notice, smart guy, that i don?t have a tail! And thats just the tip of the cake in terms of hard-hitting questions evolution has yet to answer. But one thing we will all answer to is our lord and when we do, you can bet your behind I?ll be in line with the winners.

WHERE'S MY TAIL GODDAMMIT!!!!

Oh boy. Actually we do have the remnants of a tail.

I know, but I want a big, prehensile one that can hold a beer while I eat chips AND use the TV remote.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Drekce
These judges are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing in the wording of that sticker that could be seen as unconstitutional in terms of the "separation of church and state." Evolution IS a theory by every definition of the word.

A theory based on scientific evidence

 

[Longkid]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Drekce
These judges are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing in the wording of that sticker that could be seen as unconstitutional in terms of the "separation of church and state." Evolution IS a theory by every definition of the word.

A theory based on scientific evidence

HA, your science and rational have no place in this arguement!

 

[J Heartless Slick]

I would be p1ssed off, if I were a parent with kids in a school system where people's religious beliefs can direct\force science education. I would cut back on my beer consumption to save money to put them in a private school ran by people who are not trying to fight joining the 21th century.

 

[Supa]

ehh ... But Evolution IS a theory.


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[rahvin]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
This is rediculuous:

U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper ruled that labeling evolution a "theory" played on the popular definition of the word as a "hunch" and could confuse students.

Evolution is a theory. A very scientific and useful theory, which has a lot of supporting facts like natural selection and mutation, but still very much a theory. If it were a fact, it wouldn't be as flexible as it is. The theory changes and grows based on new evidences. That's how a theory works. The Judge is a moron.

cobalt: That's the real problem, there is no disctinction in definitions anymore. There are a lot of elements to the theory that are facts, but education no longer takes the time to stress this. That isn't science, it's propoganda - or rather, wishful and unscientific thinking.

Ok lets get something straight. Evolution is a fact, it's an observed, documented reality of our world. The theory of evolution is how the observed fact of evolution occurs, natural selection is a key point of that theory and is NOT a fact. The theory of Evolution is our only scientifically based explanation of how the observed phenomenon of evolution occurs and as such it is the ONLY thing that should be in science books and taught in science class. Would the arguement be made that we should not teach newtonian physics exclusively in the public school system (Even though quantum and relativistic physics exist)? The science taught in our public school systems should be presented in a concrete manner, leave the critical thinking and evaulation to college courses.

The opinion expressed in the quote above is typical of the missunderstanding of evolution present in the US, acceptance is made of the theory and denied of the fact.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Drekce
These judges are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing in the wording of that sticker that could be seen as unconstitutional in terms of the "separation of church and state." Evolution IS a theory by every definition of the word.

A theory based on scientific evidence

And a lot more of it than is supporting the events described in the bible... As another poster mentioned, many things we consider fact are simply theories with mountains of backing evidence. The Periodic Table of the Elements, for example.

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that this is even an issue. Schools are for teaching knowledge, not spirituality. It's also a slippery slope; isn't church enough? Where does the line stop? Should we next have mass class? Bread & wine in homeroom? Teachers molesting children? Shall we teach that scientific fact which disagrees with religion is wrong?

I can't believe that this demographic is not only still around, but growing. What a step backwards in our evolution as a species

 

[JDub02]

evolution is as much a part of religion as creationism.

atheism is a religion and its theory on the origins of the universe is evolution
christianity is a religion and its theory is creation

there is absolutely no (read ZERO) scientific evidence to support evolution. anyone trying to pass it off as fact has an agenda.

I believe in having an open mind about things and I think it should be taught along with the theory of Creation in the classroom.

and for the record ... THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. That is an opinion of a judge. There is a separation of state from church, but not church from state (i.e. the state can not establish an official religion).

/end P&N rant.


edit: and by "evolution", I mean macro, we came from goo type evolution, not micro in which a species will change over time aka survival of the fittest.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Drekce
These judges are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing in the wording of that sticker that could be seen as unconstitutional in terms of the "separation of church and state." Evolution IS a theory by every definition of the word.

A theory based on scientific evidence

And a lot more of it than is supporting the events described in the bible... As another poster mentioned, many things we consider fact are simply theories with mountains of backing evidence. The Periodic Table of the Elements, for example.

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that this is even an issue. Schools are for teaching knowledge, not spirituality. It's also a slippery slope; isn't church enough? Where does the line stop? Should we next have mass class? Bread & wine in homeroom? Teachers molesting children? Shall we teach that scientific fact which disagrees with religion is wrong?

I can't believe that this demographic is not only still around, but growing. What a step backwards in our evolution as a species

And out comes the real issue: any parent who wants their children to believe in creationism is certainly already teaching it to them, or sending them to sunday school to learn it, etc... this is just a blatant power struggle, them trying to shoehorn christianity back into schools.

 

[Wag]

P&N DAMNIT!

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: SagaLore
This is rediculuous:

U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper ruled that labeling evolution a "theory" played on the popular definition of the word as a "hunch" and could confuse students.

Evolution is a theory. A very scientific and useful theory, which has a lot of supporting facts like natural selection and mutation, but still very much a theory. If it were a fact, it wouldn't be as flexible as it is. The theory changes and grows based on new evidences. That's how a theory works. The Judge is a moron.

cobalt: That's the real problem, there is no disctinction in definitions anymore. There are a lot of elements to the theory that are facts, but education no longer takes the time to stress this. That isn't science, it's propoganda - or rather, wishful and unscientific thinking.

Ok lets get something straight. Evolution is a fact, it's an observed, documented reality of our world. The theory of evolution is how the observed fact of evolution occurs, natural selection is a key point of that theory and is NOT a fact. The theory of Evolution is our only scientifically based explanation of how the observed phenomenon of evolution occurs and as such it is the ONLY thing that should be in science books and taught in science class. Would the arguement be made that we should not teach newtonian physics exclusively in the public school system (Even though quantum and relativistic physics exist)? The science taught in our public school systems should be presented in a concrete manner, leave the critical thinking and evaulation to college courses.

The opinion expressed in the quote above is typical of the missunderstanding of evolution present in the US, acceptance is made of the theory and denied of the fact.

First off, and for the record, I believe that aspects of the theory of evolution are something that have happened, are happening, and will happen in the future. I also believe that the theory of evolution is flawed and incomplet. But that is another argument.

However, I would like to see a reputable source that states that evolution is a fact. Since you made such a strong statement, it is up to you to back up your claim. Good luck, and let me know when you find it. I won't wait up.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Wag
P&N DAMNIT!

can't have a good discussion in P&N .. as was stated in another thread today, P&N is just a marxist circle jerk.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JDub02

atheism is a religion and its theory on the origins of the universe is evolution

Yeah right Bubba:roll:

I believe in having an open mind about things and I think it should be taught along with the theory of Creation in the classroom.

There is no theory of Creationism, it's a myth!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JDub02
atheism is a religion and its theory on the origins of the universe is evolution
christianity is a religion and its theory is creation

there is absolutely no (read ZERO) scientific evidence to support evolution. anyone trying to pass it off as fact has an agenda.

I believe in having an open mind about things and I think it should be taught along with the theory of Creation in the classroom.

Atheism is not a religion, and evolution only deals with origins of life, not the universe.
And a big "whatever" to the next statement.
For your third statement, as long as it's not a science class, fine.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Drekce
These judges are ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing in the wording of that sticker that could be seen as unconstitutional in terms of the "separation of church and state." Evolution IS a theory by every definition of the word.

A theory based on scientific evidence

And a lot more of it than is supporting the events described in the bible... As another poster mentioned, many things we consider fact are simply theories with mountains of backing evidence. The Periodic Table of the Elements, for example.

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous that this is even an issue. Schools are for teaching knowledge, not spirituality. It's also a slippery slope; isn't church enough? Where does the line stop? Should we next have mass class? Bread & wine in homeroom? Teachers molesting children? Shall we teach that scientific fact which disagrees with religion is wrong?

I can't believe that this demographic is not only still around, but growing. What a step backwards in our evolution as a species

And out comes the real issue: any parent who wants their children to believe in creationism is certainly already teaching it to them, or sending them to sunday school to learn it, etc... this is just a blatant power struggle, them trying to shoehorn christianity back into schools.

Agreed; Christian parents should teach their children their beliefs, and not rely on the schools to do it for them. As a Christian, if I were a parent I wouldn't want a non-Christian teacher trying to teach my kids creationism. I would certainly take the time and responsiblity to make sure my kids got my beliefs from me and others who share my beliefs. Christians need to give up on the idea that this is a Christian nation - it isn't.

 

[TravisT]

It is apparent how the judge believes. Am I the only Christian here that is not suprised by this?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: TravisT
It is apparent how the judge believes. Am I the only Christian here that is not suprised by this?

"Oh no, the judge ruled against us. He must hate God!!11one!!!"