Someone finally put those Bible thumpers in their place! Evolutionists+1!

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: JDub02
Would someone care to explain to me what makes creation any less valid than evolution?

It has no supporting evidence.

Yes, I already know evolution has no supporting evidence. That's why I can't believe everyone is blindly accepting a speculation. Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JDub02
Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

Yes until it can be proven. A book written by a bunch of ignorant sheepherders isn't going to convince me. Hell it was written just to keep those sheepherders from buggering their flock.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JDub02
Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

Yes until it can be proven. A book written by a bunch of ignorant sheepherders isn't going to convince me. Hell it was written just to keep those sheepherders from buggering their flock.

What about nominia and phenominia? does an idea have mass?

 

[minus1972]

oh man...some of these are too good:

By Garrett

January 13, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION HAS NOT STUDIED IT AND LOOKED AT THE FACTS. IT TAKES MORE FAITH TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION THAN THE REALITY OF THE LORD OUR CREATOR. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS EVOLUTION ON A LARGE SCALE. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS STATES THAT THINGS GO FROM ORDER TO CAOS. EVOLUTION SIMPLY IGNORES THIS SMALL FACT.

January 13, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

WHATEVER. These so-called ?scientologists? think they know what?s best for MY kids because they read OH so many books. Well I can think of at least ONE book they have?nt read, and it does NOT say ANYthing about us being monkeys. If evolution is SO real, what about eyeballs?

By Mike

January 13, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

HEY GARRETT, I THINK YOUR CAPS-LOCK KEY IS BROKEN. PERHAPS YOU COULD GET THE LORD YOUR CREATOR TO FIX THAT FOR YOU.



some of these people are so dense...

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JDub02
Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

Yes until it can be proven. A book written by a bunch of ignorant sheepherders isn't going to convince me. Hell it was written just to keep those sheepherders from buggering their flock.

I'm not talking about the Bible or Christianity. I'm talking about a higher power, in general.


I think it's funny that people have such a fear of Christianity. We can teach the Quran in schools and have the kiddies pretend to be muslim for a week, but OH NOES!! if anyone brings a Bible within 100 yards of a school.


RUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!!! THE CHRISTIANS ARE COMING!!!!!!!

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: minus1972
oh man...some of these are too good:

By Garrett

January 13, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION HAS NOT STUDIED IT AND LOOKED AT THE FACTS. IT TAKES MORE FAITH TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION THAN THE REALITY OF THE LORD OUR CREATOR. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS EVOLUTION ON A LARGE SCALE. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS STATES THAT THINGS GO FROM ORDER TO CAOS. EVOLUTION SIMPLY IGNORES THIS SMALL FACT.

Read this on the second law of thermodynamics. It is far more complex that "order to chaos". For the more mathematical explanation, read The Frontiers of Complexity.

Chaos is not neccessarily the absence of order, but in many ways is almost a purer form of it.

You are uneducated, evidenced by your inability to turn off caps-lock.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JDub02
Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

Yes until it can be proven. A book written by a bunch of ignorant sheepherders isn't going to convince me. Hell it was written just to keep those sheepherders from buggering their flock.

Its roots are much deeper than that; essentially it's a guidebook for sentience and species advancement, compiled from folk tales which changed with the telling from one generation to the next until the events described reached the thoroughly implausible state they're in today (ie. moses splitting the sea, etc.). I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it if its basal belief wasn't something I considered to be comically fake and which incites many people to live unenjoyable lives knocking others down (ie. 'you're going to hell' 'you're sinning' etc.) in anticipation of high status in an afterlife that doesn't exist.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ

Originally posted by: minus1972
oh man...some of these are too good:

By Garrett

January 13, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION HAS NOT STUDIED IT AND LOOKED AT THE FACTS. IT TAKES MORE FAITH TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION THAN THE REALITY OF THE LORD OUR CREATOR. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS EVOLUTION ON A LARGE SCALE. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS STATES THAT THINGS GO FROM ORDER TO CAOS. EVOLUTION SIMPLY IGNORES THIS SMALL FACT.

Read this on the second law of thermodynamics. It is far more complex that "order to chaos". For the more mathematical explanation, read The Frontiers of Complexity.

Chaos is not neccessarily the absence of order, but in many ways is almost a purer form of it.

You are uneducated, evidenced by your inability to turn off caps-lock.

Erm.. he was quoting some of the comments made, since we'd need to register to read them and most of us don't want to be bothered, he wasn't saying that himself. I also liked the comment about god fixing his caps lock key

PS, thanks for the new sig jdub!

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: RaiderJ

Originally posted by: minus1972
oh man...some of these are too good:

By Garrett

January 13, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION HAS NOT STUDIED IT AND LOOKED AT THE FACTS. IT TAKES MORE FAITH TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION THAN THE REALITY OF THE LORD OUR CREATOR. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS EVOLUTION ON A LARGE SCALE. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS STATES THAT THINGS GO FROM ORDER TO CAOS. EVOLUTION SIMPLY IGNORES THIS SMALL FACT.

Read this on the second law of thermodynamics. It is far more complex that "order to chaos". For the more mathematical explanation, read The Frontiers of Complexity.

Chaos is not neccessarily the absence of order, but in many ways is almost a purer form of it.

You are uneducated, evidenced by your inability to turn off caps-lock.

Erm.. he was quoting some of the comments made, since we'd need to register to read them and most of us don't want to be bothered, he wasn't saying that himself. I also liked the comment about god fixing his caps lock key

PS, thanks for the new sig jdub!

Oops! Quote error on my part, I was referring to whoever made the quote in all caps, Garrett?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: minus1972
oh man...some of these are too good:

By Garrett

January 13, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION HAS NOT STUDIED IT AND LOOKED AT THE FACTS. IT TAKES MORE FAITH TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION THAN THE REALITY OF THE LORD OUR CREATOR. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS EVOLUTION ON A LARGE SCALE. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS STATES THAT THINGS GO FROM ORDER TO CAOS. EVOLUTION SIMPLY IGNORES THIS SMALL FACT.

January 13, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

WHATEVER. These so-called ?scientologists? think they know what?s best for MY kids because they read OH so many books. Well I can think of at least ONE book they have?nt read, and it does NOT say ANYthing about us being monkeys. If evolution is SO real, what about eyeballs?

By Mike

January 13, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

HEY GARRETT, I THINK YOUR CAPS-LOCK KEY IS BROKEN. PERHAPS YOU COULD GET THE LORD YOUR CREATOR TO FIX THAT FOR YOU.



some of these people are so dense...

LOL

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: TravisT

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TravisT

Originally posted by: BroeBo
Guys don't you know that this is how it goes:

Belief in evolution = Liberal = Atheist = hates god/jesus = voted for Kerry = terrorist = going to hell

I don't necessarily believe one equals the other, I just happen to think that if you associate with any one of the seven, you're nuts.

Well you prove that believing in any of those aren't a prerequisite

lol, I guess you totally overlooked the sarcasm in that post. Thats why I went with "nuts", rather than "idiot" or "stupid". I felt that was to strong for sarcasm.

No, it's just that when you post like a moron and have that reputation, people kinda assume it and react accordingly.

 

[NeoSolo]

ah forget it

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: JDub02
Would someone care to explain to me what makes creation any less valid than evolution?

It has no supporting evidence.

Yes, I already know evolution has no supporting evidence. That's why I can't believe everyone is blindly accepting a speculation. Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

It's already been addressed by Gurck, but he was saying creationism has no supporting evidence. Your unique ablities at reading comprenhension make it painfully obvious why you have trouble with evolution.

EDIT for more clarification, because I'm sure you'll need it: Remember in grade school, when the teacher would say to include the question in your answer? In this case the question is: Would someone care to explain to me what makes creation any less valid than evolution? Therefore, the answer would be: Creation is less valid than evolution because it has no supporting evidence. Gurck didn't include the question in his answer because it is included in the reply. For big words and for cramps see the links

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
However, I would like to see a reputable source that states that evolution is a fact. Since you made such a strong statement, it is up to you to back up your claim. Good luck, and let me know when you find it. I won't wait up.

A nice quick read. Cure the ignorance.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: asm0deus
spiritual evolution > biological evolution

I'm sorry, but one cannot have the former without the latter having occured first.

Bible thumpers will argue with you on that subject.

Adam and Eve.

Ausm

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: JDub02
Would someone care to explain to me what makes creation any less valid than evolution?

It has no supporting evidence.

Yes, I already know evolution has no supporting evidence. That's why I can't believe everyone is blindly accepting a speculation. Are you all really that opposed to the notion of a higher power?

Aren't you so clever. :roll:


Give us *one* valid source of evidence that shows Creationism/ID is a valid scientific theory.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: baoytl
I wonder how some people would react if a similar sticker was placed on bibles.

What schools require you to read the Bible?

Mine, actually. "It's the oldest known literature" or some such crap. There was a firmly attached disclaimer that they weren't trying to convert us, as well - just as your science class isn't trying to coax you out of your faith.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: JDub02
evolution is as much a part of religion as creationism.

atheism is a religion and its theory on the origins of the universe is evolution
christianity is a religion and its theory is creation
What makes atheism a religion? There is no belief in a deity. And ffs get your head out of you ass. Big Bang != evolution. ABIOGENESIS != evolution.

there is absolutely no (read ZERO) scientific evidence to support evolution. anyone trying to pass it off as fact has an agenda.
There is evidence to support evolution, but not enough. Just observe. Hey because I can't explain where I came from I'm gonna say God just planted me here! Yeah!

edit: and by "evolution", I mean macro, we came from goo type evolution One more fscking time, abiogenesis != evolution, not micro in which a species will change over time aka survival of the fittest THAT is what Darwin observed as evolution.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: Wag
P&N DAMNIT!

This is debateable because it has to do with religion. The mods should make it P&N&R.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JDub02
Would someone care to explain to me what makes creation any less valid than evolution?

I'm not arguing religious semantics. I'm saying some unnamed higher power creating us as opposed to billions of years of random chance turning mud into people.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Creationism is not a scientific theory. Therefore, it does not belong in a science classroom. The sticker espouses keeping an open mind and exploring other avenues, but I am not aware of any other such theories on the origin of life that are scientifically based.

Abiogenesis. Damnit can a mod make a sticky that says Abiogenesis != evolution? Then with this short but sweet definition.

a·bi·o·gen·e·sis
noun

The supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous generation.

 

[0roo0roo]

so people don't confuse the popular use of theory with its scientific use. http://www.origins.tv/darwin/factortheory.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: baoytl
I wonder how some people would react if a similar sticker was placed on bibles.

What schools require you to read the Bible?

Mine, actually. "It's the oldest known literature" or some such crap. There was a firmly attached disclaimer that they weren't trying to convert us, as well - just as your science class isn't trying to coax you out of your faith.

Interesting, I thought the clay tablets from Bablyon about the Epic of Gilgamesh and such predated the Bible. Or perhaps they just don't count as literature.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: baoytl
I wonder how some people would react if a similar sticker was placed on bibles.

What schools require you to read the Bible?

Mine, actually. "It's the oldest known literature" or some such crap. There was a firmly attached disclaimer that they weren't trying to convert us, as well - just as your science class isn't trying to coax you out of your faith.

Interesting, I thought the clay tablets from Bablyon about the Epic of Gilgamesh and such predated the Bible. Or perhaps they just don't count as literature.

Maybe the oldest that was readily available?

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: baoytl
I wonder how some people would react if a similar sticker was placed on bibles.

What schools require you to read the Bible?

My school. A public school in CA. We read the genesis in my senior year in an english class as literature.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
However, I would like to see a reputable source that states that evolution is a fact. Since you made such a strong statement, it is up to you to back up your claim. Good luck, and let me know when you find it. I won't wait up.

A nice quick read. Cure the ignorance.

In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.

I can agree with this statement from the article. But even this statement leaves open the possiblity that the mechanism of evolution is fueled by a higher power, or perhaps pure natural chance, among other things. So by the author's definition, I will concede that evolution is a fact that is not totally understood.

EDIT: You know, the more I think about it, the more I want to take back the statement above. I realize I am displaying my ignorance for all to see, but I just don't see how evolution can ever be classified as a fact. (Keep in mind that I have already admitted that I believe evolution happens). The reasons I can't call it a fact is that 1) it has never been directly observed - all we have is circumstantual evidence that seems to suggest evolution happens over long periods of time, and 2) it is not reproducable in a laboratory setting. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS "THEORY" HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED, SO HOW CAN IT BE CALLED FACTUAL???

So in my own mind I am perfectly happy to call it a very strong theory, but I doubt I will ever call it a fact. Yes, I'm splitting hairs, which will make some of you very unhappy, I'm sure.