Someone got fired from work today....

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steve wilson

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Did the woman put anything in her personal box that was the companies property? If so then the company is vindicated in what it did I suppose.

I have been in an office when someone else got fired. An old guy in his 60's and he was just wasn't good at the job. He nearly started crying and I felt like crying also, but it had to be done. I have also been fired once and I didn't expect it... it's very upsetting, but you just got to take it on the chin.
 

Red Squirrel

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Always sucks to see someone get fired. Can't help but think to yourself "that could be me". If the company wants to fire someone, they find a way, so you don't always have to do something wrong.
 

highland145

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The process of hiring and firing is totally owned by management. It is their job and not to be delegated either directly or indirectly because they are too busy, can't be bothered or, the situation makes them uncomfortable. Report back to me when you've learned responsibility for your position.
I know my position. Been practicing "enlightened self interest" after I heard that was the way to go.
 

edro

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Apr 5, 2002
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Always sucks to see someone get fired. Can't help but think to yourself "that could be me". If the company wants to fire someone, they find a way, so you don't always have to do something wrong.
And if you do something wrong, but are useful, they find a way to ignore it.
 

Uppsala9496

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SNIP

She can't sue for age discrimination unless she has proof it was her age that lost her the job.

She can file a claim. Doesn't mean she will win, but she can file a claim. I wouldn't be surprised if she filed a gender and age discrimination claim.
Was she the only female? Was she the oldest person there?
All you have to do is be 40 and older and you can claim discrimination.
 

sze5003

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60 years old and a programmer..she must have been hired for a specific reason. Either Cobol/DB2 so she must have screwed something up.
 

nutxo

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May 20, 2001
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I was at work and the guy I worked with was going to work a half day before he left for vacation.

Lunch time rolled around and I told the guy to have have fun on vacation and headed out the door for lunch. When I got back he was still there and I playfully asked what he was still doin there and told him to get the fuck out. He stormed out the door.

A few minutes later another coworker came in and told me he had just been fired.

It sucked. I finally saw him about 6 months later and told im I had no idea he had just been let go.
 

Jeffg010

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Feb 22, 2008
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I been a tech for 15 years and seen it all. The very first week I was there they axed the whole accounting department. They gave them 3 months until end date. About half the department stuck it out to the last day. My job was go get all the PCs of the people that left early. I felt like the grim reaper as people where looking at me as I loaded up the PCs on my cart.

I seen people get the axe same day. The way it works for my place is they send an e-mail to people saying there will be a meeting in one of the conferences on the floor. Then HR and the manager will tell them they are terminated. The people can go back to their cube and get all their stuff or come back with in a week and get it. When they do get their stuff the manager has to stand and watch them. Sometimes HR will watch them too when there is more then 1 person.

I remember my coworker asking everyone if they got the e-mail for the 8:30 am meeting. Only one other guy said he did and I said to him you and him must have a special project. It did not click with me until they came back out. The one guy left right away the other guy stayed in his cube for anther 3 hours cleaning. The coworker who had a cube beside the guy cleaning it was getting pissed. Also that manager never stayed and watch him clean out his cube. She went to the manager and told him to get this guy out of here. The manager told him to leave and he did.


I would say that HR or the manager should of watched him clean out his cube before you took the equipment. I'm guessing the place you are at does not have any policy on what should be done when someone is terminated.
 

Kaido

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Feb 14, 2004
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I was told to do it then and there. I really didn't want to do it like that. But she actually had some of the items and I had to make sure everything was accounted for and checked back in our Inventory database.

At one point, I had crawled under her desk and unplugged her computer and loaded it onto a cart while she just stood there. I felt so small at that moment, I could have cried too.

Yeah, I've had some struggles like that in the past. We implemented an employee offboarding procedure at my current workplace - basically HR grabs the person for a quick meeting, then I go to their desk while they are gone and do the cutoff stuff (change the password, lock the computer, pickup any loose equipment, wipe anything that needs to be wiped, etc.), and then they come back and pick up their personal items after I've left. So basically I have a short, uninterrupted window to take care of the IT aspect without having to deal with personnel stuff, then I relocate to somewhere other than my desk until they are escorted offsite so that I'm not in the line of fire. Not my favorite aspect of the job by any means

And that way I'm not directly involved with someone who may be in shock and may not be reacting well. Some people know it's coming, some people have no clue, some people take it well, and some people throw major fits or cry. My advice would be to propose a 1-sheet paper with a clear, step-by-step plan of what you and HR will do when someone is let go of, and give it to HR. You should definitely not be subjected to the HR aspect of the job and be stuck feeling guilty for simply doing your job. That's pretty crappy planning on HR's part to make you do that while your co-worker is packing up
 

Kaido

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Feb 14, 2004
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I been a tech for 15 years and seen it all. The very first week I was there they axed the whole accounting department. They gave them 3 months until end date. About half the department stuck it out to the last day. My job was go get all the PCs of the people that left early. I felt like the grim reaper as people where looking at me as I loaded up the PCs on my cart.

I seen people get the axe same day. The way it works for my place is they send an e-mail to people saying there will be a meeting in one of the conferences on the floor. Then HR and the manager will tell them they are terminated. The people can go back to their cube and get all their stuff or come back with in a week and get it. When they do get their stuff the manager has to stand and watch them. Sometimes HR will watch them too when there is more then 1 person.

I remember my coworker asking everyone if they got the e-mail for the 8:30 am meeting. Only one other guy said he did and I said to him you and him must have a special project. It did not click with me until they came back out. The one guy left right away the other guy stayed in his cube for anther 3 hours cleaning. The coworker who had a cube beside the guy cleaning it was getting pissed. Also that manager never stayed and watch him clean out his cube. She went to the manager and told him to get this guy out of here. The manager told him to leave and he did.

At my buddy's old workplace in NYC, they would invite them to a meeting on the floor physically below in their building. Then a security guy would grab their stuff and pack it up while HR was letting them go - they weren't allowed to go back up to their floor before they left for security reasons. So within an hour of being calling into the meeting, they were standing outside of the skyscraper with no job and a box of their stuff, wondering what just happened.

Eek.
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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Lots of people losing non-seasonal jobs this season. I lost mine Dec 31 but start a new one tomorrow.
 

paulney

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It happens all the time in software development. I've been in the field for 12 years now. It's not easy, but it's something I have gotten use to. Happened last month and the month before where I work. I'm always waiting for my time to come.

It's too bad that she got so upset that they "had to put her out". May she rest in peace.

The working environment where you expect to be fired any day is extremely stressful. I worked in a company like this once, and I was a complete train wreck after several months, when it became obvious things were going downhill fast. I started maintaining a "clean desk" policy - there was nothing on my desk, and I could get up and leave at a moment's notice. Just hand in my laptop - and I'm out.
 

SheHateMe

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She can file a claim. Doesn't mean she will win, but she can file a claim. I wouldn't be surprised if she filed a gender and age discrimination claim.
Was she the only female? Was she the oldest person there?
All you have to do is be 40 and older and you can claim discrimination.

Most of the people who work here are women and most of them are older women. There are over 800 employees in the building. Its really going to be hard for her to prove discrimination.

What I got out of the situation is that she was just not good at her job and they replaced her.


Yall could not find something else for her to do?

In her 60s, was she getting ready to retire?


It wasn't up to me. I'm just a lowly student.

I don't know if she was getting ready to retire but she was a new hire...
 
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ShawnD1

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They called me to come and lock her out of our system and to confiscate all of her gadgets and to nuke her HDDs, etc.

Well, I felt a little uncomfortable because she was still there when I came to get her stuff and she was VERY upset and it was kind of hard trying to get everything back from her......I mean, I was practically unplugging and packing up all her things as she was packing up her little box whilst crying and carrying on. They eventually had to put her out.

When I finally got out of there, I had to go on lunch because I was so stressed.
And then companies wonder why morale is so low. Instead of getting you to do that stuff after she leaves, they think it's more efficient for you to do it while she's still there. Being that HR and management people are textbook psychopaths with no human emotions, they don't understand that having you work while someone is crying could potentially stress you out and ruin your day.
 

Pia

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I think a decent company should treat a decent employee with respect and professionalism in all situations, and vice versa. Someone being fired is no different. If you drop all trust in the professionalism of an employee who has not given you reason to do so, it's pretty much the same as saying you never trusted them to begin with. Ugly, like an employee who can't leave properly.

I have been fired once. I was competent in general but ended up in a position that was a terrible fit for me, and the work product didn't turn out well. My boss saw the situation for what it was, appreciated that I was putting in a lot of effort to turn things around, and tried to help. We didn't find a solution fast enough and at the end he had no choice but to let me go. When he broke the news, I suggested he'd date it to the end of the week because it would take until then to wrap things up properly. So he did. On the last day, I went around to exchange goodbyes with my team. Then worked for a long time until I felt my work items in progress were squared away and all of the little useful data from my head was documented for whomever would succeed me. Sent a final status report before logging out. Packed up my stuff. While heading out I visited the IT department to return some computer things, and made a final stop at the security desk to leave my keys. I also left post-it notes with these items, because it was late night and I had been the only person in the building for hours. Until the moment I walked out the door that night and ceased being an employee, I had access to all of the source code and other IP of this software company plus physical access to the building with ~100 high end workstations. The company didn't feel a need to insult my professionalism by withdrawing their trust, nor did they treat me as anything but a valuable employee at any point. For my part, I kept acting like one and giving them my best effort.
 

Mxylplyx

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I think a decent company should treat a decent employee with respect and professionalism in all situations, and vice versa. Someone being fired is no different. If you drop all trust in the professionalism of an employee who has not given you reason to do so, it's pretty much the same as saying you never trusted them to begin with. Ugly, like an employee who can't leave properly.

I have been fired once. I was competent in general but ended up in a position that was a terrible fit for me, and the work product didn't turn out well. My boss saw the situation for what it was, appreciated that I was putting in a lot of effort to turn things around, and tried to help. We didn't find a solution fast enough and at the end he had no choice but to let me go. When he broke the news, I suggested he'd date it to the end of the week because it would take until then to wrap things up properly. So he did. On the last day, I went around to exchange goodbyes with my team. Then worked for a long time until I felt my work items in progress were squared away and all of the little useful data from my head was documented for whomever would succeed me. Sent a final status report before logging out. Packed up my stuff. While heading out I visited the IT department to return some computer things, and made a final stop at the security desk to leave my keys. I also left post-it notes with these items, because it was late night and I had been the only person in the building for hours. Until the moment I walked out the door that night and ceased being an employee, I had access to all of the source code and other IP of this software company plus physical access to the building with ~100 high end workstations. The company didn't feel a need to insult my professionalism by withdrawing their trust, nor did they treat me as anything but a valuable employee at any point. For my part, I kept acting like one and giving them my best effort.

All it takes is one former employee that strikes out maliciously for revenge purposes and that policy will change.
 

Chaotic42

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All it takes is one former employee that strikes out maliciously for revenge purposes and that policy will change.

Yeah, it's surprising how malicious people can be. Not everyone has a sense of professionalism and honor.
 
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One of my clients were letting one of their executives go and I was forewarned that morning. Meeting was scheduled for 3pm that afternoon and I was to disable logins while he was in that meeting. This was a client my company had just taken over a couple of months prior and I was told I would need to contact their now-ex-IT guy to remove access from a proprietary program due to us not having access to it yet. Their ex-IT guy was still on good terms with the company and was mainly consulting at this point.

I had to tell him who it was and he knew what was going on, even without me explicitly telling him. I told him to remove access for so-and-so user at 3:05pm, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put one and one together. By early afternoon, he had told somebody, they told somebody else, they told somebody else...it eventually got back to the executive well before the 3pm meeting. From what I heard, it wasn't pretty when that executive confronted the CEO about it. They had to walk him out right there, I believe the word "lawyer" was thrown around some. It went about as bad as could be expected.
 

SheHateMe

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One of my clients were letting one of their executives go and I was forewarned that morning. Meeting was scheduled for 3pm that afternoon and I was to disable logins while he was in that meeting. This was a client my company had just taken over a couple of months prior and I was told I would need to contact their now-ex-IT guy to remove access from a proprietary program due to us not having access to it yet. Their ex-IT guy was still on good terms with the company and was mainly consulting at this point.

I had to tell him who it was and he knew what was going on, even without me explicitly telling him. I told him to remove access for so-and-so user at 3:05pm, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put one and one together. By early afternoon, he had told somebody, they told somebody else, they told somebody else...it eventually got back to the executive well before the 3pm meeting. From what I heard, it wasn't pretty when that executive confronted the CEO about it. They had to walk him out right there, I believe the word "lawyer" was thrown around some. It went about as bad as could be expected.

Damn, and that could have gotten you a "meeting". I hate when people do that.
 
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