Someone has to say it, so it might as well be me: Windows 8 will be a giant mess

[gmaster456]

Guys, this isn't anywhere near the scale of Vista. Vista failed because it was a pig, and because of lazy devs who didn't get their software and drivers updated even though they had plenty of time. You guys are saying W8 is going to flop harder than vista simply because you don't know how to use it. In Joe Average's home environment, windows 8 will be fine. In a business/managed environment, you're probably better off sticking with vista/7. It's that simple.

 

[WelshBloke]

Guys, this isn't anywhere near the scale of Vista. Vista failed because it was a pig, and because of lazy devs who didn't get their software and drivers updated even though they had plenty of time. You guys are saying W8 is going to flop harder than vista simply because you don't know how to use it. In Joe Average's home environment, windows 8 will be fine. In a business/managed environment, you're probably better off sticking with vista/7. It's that simple.

I disagree.

Vistas problems were easily fixed and its now a pretty solid OS. Win8's "problems" are intrinsic to the way the OS works. People dont like what its supposed to be.

To me an OS should be fairly unobtrusive and just let me get on with what I want to do, Win8 is anything but unobtrusive.

 

[Exodist]

Unfortunately that isn't true. There are many industries that are still reliant on windows, the places that do CAD and 3d work and the places that do electrical engineering work still rely on windows. There have been a few products to make their way to linux but it is still the minority. These places will not be effected by win8 though because many are still using xp x64.

I agree with this, being an R&D engineer for a local company.
We have a few products our company cant live without:
Solidworks, Mastercam and Quickbooks being the 3 biggest ones.

And NO we cant substitute them.

We have been trying out Win8. I dont honestly know what crack M$ team has been smoking, but win8 lacks the multitasking potential that users in an office environment depend on. :\

 

[Maximilian]

Guys, this isn't anywhere near the scale of Vista. Vista failed because it was a pig, and because of lazy devs who didn't get their software and drivers updated even though they had plenty of time. You guys are saying W8 is going to flop harder than vista simply because you don't know how to use it. In Joe Average's home environment, windows 8 will be fine. In a business/managed environment, you're probably better off sticking with vista/7. It's that simple.

Vista's UI was crap as well.

Lousy

Better

Better still, not fixing what isnt broken good!

Wtfisthis D:

 

[VirtualLarry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU

Older dad trying Windows8 for the first time.

Wow, that's perfect. It shows what a piece of crap this new OS is going to be.

The fact is, there are two "world" to Windows now. The Metro/Start Screen, and then the "Desktop".

If Win8 actually takes off, then I make this analogy.

It's kind of like modern Linux distros. They have GUI desktops, widgets, and control panels. But eventually, you have to use terminal. And some apps will automatically start terminal sessions.

The desktop on Win8, is going to be like terminal in Linux.

Click on the wrong thing, and you get dumped, unceremoniously, into "Desktop". With no obvious way to get back to your Metro world.

Nevermind CMD.EXE.

 

[_Aurel_]

And in contrast to that, an Asus EEPC that is running Android 4.03 (ICS):

http://www.slashgear.com/asus-gets-android-ice-cream-sandwich-how-to-15218639/

It's kind of sad that an OS which was adapted from a purely touch-based interface makes more sense then one which was supposed to work with both.

 

[JAG87]

Very serious. Nothing a person does at home requires Windows, except gaming.

Unfortunately that isn't true. There are many industries that are still reliant on windows, the places that do CAD and 3d work and the places that do electrical engineering work still rely on windows. There have been a few products to make their way to linux but it is still the minority. These places will not be effected by win8 though because many are still using xp x64.

I was not talking about corporate use. I am talking about home use. Corporate will not upgrade to Windows 8 anytime soon. We just started deploying Windows 7 barely a year ago, simply because XP is near the end of it's life. Windows 7 will has a huge life ahead of it, corporate sure isn't about to plunk more money into licenses to upgrade existing machines nor are they going to fragment their environment.

Just curious are you a student or do you work? I ask that because I have a hard time believing you are working in any type of office environment and yet could make that statement. I say that as one that very early in my career saw what happened when the first IBM PC made its way into an office environment dominated by dumb terminals connected to mainframes and mini's. It took many years for PC's to completely shove terminals out the door and right now I don't see tablets or smart phones having the capability to push the desktop workstation out the door in a similar fashion.

Funny. I work in IT for a billion dollar company, I think I would know. Again, I was talking about home use, not corporate use.

wrong, but go on believing that. don't speak for other people.

Okay, give me one example of something the average consumer does at home that requires Windows and can't be done on MacOS or a free linux distribution.

 

[airdata]

Windows 7 was a huge success. I totally disagree with putting out a major release like Windows 7 and immediately developing the next one.

Operating systems shouldn't be treated like pc games and have sequels pumped out every year.

Look at windows 7... it's basically a polished version of Windows Vista. It really could have been a major service pack.

 

[ultimatebob]

I ended up putting Start8 on my Windows 8 preview box, just because it was a pain to get to the Start menu from the desktop when using terminal services.

Yes, the keyboard shortcuts are nice, but you can't use them in a Terminal Services session.

Pushing the Start button is much easier than mousing to one of the corners of the screen and then hitting the Start button.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Better still, not fixing what isnt broken good!

Wtfisthis D:

That is a striking difference between the added functionality to the file explorer and the oversimplification of Metro. Those two screens reflect pretty well why those two things don't belong on the same system. W8 may have tried to mix peanut butter and jelly but they mixed peanut butter and hamburger.

 

[tommo123]

Okay, give me one example of something the average consumer does at home that requires Windows and can't be done on MacOS or a free linux distribution.

both of those would require a desktop (or at least a laptop). you didn't say windows, you said "and you certainly don't need a desktop"

as for windows, linux needs you to go into terminal. that's an instant no no for me. until linux gets past that point it's out of bounds. as for apple, why in the name of holy hell would i pay more for hardware just because it's got an apple stamp on the case? also an OS i have never used from a company i will never give a penny to?

i'll consider ubuntu and the like when they get it through their thick skulls that most people don't want to mess around with crap like terminal. until then the only option for me is windows

 

[Global688]

Nothing a person does at home requires Windows, except gaming.

I guess I can uninstall SQL managment studio and visual studio. Then play games all day.

 

[WelshBloke]

I guess I can uninstall SQL managment studio and visual studio. Then play games all day.

Have you installed them on Win8? How did it make your metro homescreen look?

 

[alent1234]

I guess I can uninstall SQL managment studio and visual studio. Then play games all day.

you have SSMS on your home computer? i have a virtual instance on hyper-v if i need to do work at home

 

[JAG87]

both of those would require a desktop (or at least a laptop). you didn't say windows, you said "and you certainly don't need a desktop"

as for windows, linux needs you to go into terminal. that's an instant no no for me. until linux gets past that point it's out of bounds. as for apple, why in the name of holy hell would i pay more for hardware just because it's got an apple stamp on the case? also an OS i have never used from a company i will never give a penny to?

i'll consider ubuntu and the like when they get it through their thick skulls that most people don't want to mess around with crap like terminal. until then the only option for me is windows

Neither one requires a desktop. The only reason you need a desktop at home today is for powerful GPUs, the only reason you need powerful GPUs at home (not working at home!) is for gaming, and to game you need Windows.

Both MacOS and Linux run on a laptop, which with today's powerful CPUs and SSDs has negligible performance difference compared to a desktop, takes much less space, creates less wire clutter, and is portable, so it is always preferred. Just look at the market sales statistics of desktop vs. laptop.

And just because you have a problem with Apple doesn't mean everyone does. I urge you to take a walk at any time of day through Best Buy's computer section, and then through an Apple store, and come back and tell us which is more crowded. Windows in the home is dead. People can do everything from their iPad or Macbook.

MS is pulling out Metro to try and resuscitate the home market. They already know corporate has no interest in Windows 8, because corporate has no interest in upgrading so soon after Windows 7.

I guess I can uninstall SQL managment studio and visual studio. Then play games all day.

That's your argument?.... lol

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I have a desktop, laptop and a tablet. My tablet NEVER gets used at home because I do things like type on message boards, often while laying on my couch. I honestly haven't found any position other than standing where a tablet was better suited and more comfortable to use than a laptop or desktop. This tablet craze has gone too far, they are a crutch from when you're away from a proper computer, not something to try and hammer a proper computer into.

 

[gmaster456]

I have a desktop, laptop and a tablet. My tablet NEVER gets used at home because I do things like type on message boards, often while laying on my couch. I honestly haven't found any position other than standing where a tablet was better suited and more comfortable to use than a laptop or desktop. This tablet craze has gone too far, they are a crutch from when you're away from a proper computer, not something to try and hammer a proper computer into.

I could not have said it better myself. Tablets are a complement to a proper machine with an actual keyboard. Not a replacement to one. We got my mom a tablet for christmas and while she uses it a lot, it will not be able to replace her laptop mainly because of the added screen space and a proper keyboard. And her computing needs are as basic as they come. Word Processing, Facebook and Email.

 

[sequoia464]

Anyone having issues waking up from sleep in W8??

If I use my USB 3.0 buffalo drive running from an ASMedia chip the system goes into coma mode - not sleep. Only way out is to shut down through the power button and reboot.

If I don't have the drive plugged in I have no issues.

 

[Zaap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU

Older dad trying Windows8 for the first time.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

That's especially funny to me, because that's pretty much EXACTLY the same experience most people I've showed this mess to at my office have had. And not older people either, just average Joe and Jane non-tech nerd.

The same confusion, followed quickly by pure laughter like "Really? Are you ****ing kidding me?"

Someone needs to run a serious intervention at Microsoft, and get them off whatever fruity-colored crack they've been smoking. Friends shouldn't let friends become crackheads and then try to design operating systems.

 

[heuristik]

windows 8 consumer preview is only one of the operating systems that should be discussed when evaluating the merits of Microsoft's directional decisions.

the truly disruptive technology changes lie in the server OS, in my opinion. Storage vendors better start coming up with a new dance real quick or else risk becoming another Macarena blip of outdated and overpriced junk, remotefx matures into a tangible commodity instead of a GPU add-on feature, Remote Access that not only works, but is simple to deploy (think Direct Access but without all of the BS no-nat 2 static ip crap), and that's just the teaser stuff.

dig in, evaluate the real architectural possibilities of server app-v, remote apps, and dynamic allocation of resources that equates to saving dollars rather than just some RAM here and there.... then, if you're still convinced Microsoft is just smoking something funky and not sharing, stick with angry birds and iphones. that's sure to change the world, too.

 

[WelshBloke]

windows 8 consumer preview is only one of the operating systems that should be discussed when evaluating the merits of Microsoft's directional decisions.

the truly disruptive technology changes lie in the server OS, in my opinion. Storage vendors better start coming up with a new dance real quick or else risk becoming another Macarena blip of outdated and overpriced junk, remotefx matures into a tangible commodity instead of a GPU add-on feature, Remote Access that not only works, but is simple to deploy (think Direct Access but without all of the BS no-nat 2 static ip crap), and that's just the teaser stuff.

dig in, evaluate the real architectural possibilities of server app-v, remote apps, and dynamic allocation of resources that equates to saving dollars rather than just some RAM here and there.... then, if you're still convinced Microsoft is just smoking something funky and not sharing, stick with angry birds and iphones. that's sure to change the world, too.

Thats fine, and I sure hope they release a decent home server OS again, but this thread is about the windows 8 consumer preview.

 

[TheSlamma]

Even with all the flash and pizazzz of Windows 8, I like Windows 7 a lot. When I'm at a desktop I'd like to get work done and Windows 7 allows me to do that. When I looked at the preview of Win8, its like I'm just horsing around with social networks and photos.

This exactly

This new tablet and social-notworking atmosphere that has been created has somehow made people forget that computers are still a tool long before they are a toy.

If people want a tablet then go buy a tablet

 

[TheSlamma]

windows 8 consumer preview is only one of the operating systems that should be discussed when evaluating the merits of Microsoft's directional decisions.

the truly disruptive technology changes lie in the server OS, in my opinion. Storage vendors better start coming up with a new dance real quick or else risk becoming another Macarena blip of outdated and overpriced junk, remotefx matures into a tangible commodity instead of a GPU add-on feature, Remote Access that not only works, but is simple to deploy (think Direct Access but without all of the BS no-nat 2 static ip crap), and that's just the teaser stuff.

dig in, evaluate the real architectural possibilities of server app-v, remote apps, and dynamic allocation of resources that equates to saving dollars rather than just some RAM here and there.... then, if you're still convinced Microsoft is just smoking something funky and not sharing, stick with angry birds and iphones. that's sure to change the world, too.

Hyper-V version 3 is looking to be a great move for the server side of Microsoft. While VMWare will still offer more for some environments I think Hyper-v version 3 is going to cover the bases of what most business's need and without VMwares very high licensing fees.

 

[Rangoric]

Have you installed them on Win8? How did it make your metro homescreen look?

Great. It took all of a few seconds to right click each of the things that didn't need to be on the regular home screen, and remove them from it.

But since they are way off to the right and off screen, the fact that I already moved the icons that I would use right near the front makes it so it doesn't matter.

 

[Lemon law]

I agree, windows 8 very much looks unusable.

But after all, isn't this type stunt very much part of the microsoft playbook.

In many ways microsoft had nothing in an OS even comparable to apple and the mac until windows 3.1. And finally followed up with windows 95. But meanwhile slipped in two somewhat meaningless upgrades in windows 98 and Win me. Them Microsoft hit a huge home run in windows XP. Then they slipped in a total dud with windows Vista. Making Microsoft big bucks with fools itching to throw money at them. And when Microsoft backed off a bit with Win 7 that was more usable than Vista, Microsoft cash registers lit up.

Looks like windows 8 will be another Dud, dare we hope, maybe windows 9 may end up being more usable.

Oh the joys of calculated obsolesce, when Microsoft should have just upgraded XP instead.