Something is wrong in the black community...

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Vouchers are not the solution but they would have value in communities with excess capacity at good public (or private) schools. Alas, you will not find a single study demonstrating such excess capacity exists at good schools. Granted, voucher proponents rarely bother with such details. Poor administrators should be fired (there's no hope for them). But you cannot just shutter public schools b/c there's no place for those children to go. School systems have to find new adminstrators, train ALL their teachers better, and fire the non-productive ones . . . not to mention learning to ignore the dumbarses on local and state school boards.

As for complaining about the costs of more school, more healthcare, etc. How many prisons has CA built since 1980? How many new colleges or universities? Which form of higher education makes sense to you? You cannot divest the various elements of social support systems. It's akin to having a powerful military but poor military intelligence or having a wonderful Constitution but few in government actually follow it. Strong systems of social support are as close as any nation can get to equal opportunity . . . it's up to the individual to do something with those opportunities.

Unless you plan to regulate childbirth (admittedly, I'm open to the suggestion) then there's no choice but to choose between investment in their success or paying for their future failure. Many will fail to become productive members of society but on balance it's still cheaper than paying for chronic, preventable health conditions, indirect costs of crime, and direct cost of the criminal justice system.

Excess Capacity is merely one part of the problem. Inadequate, irresponsible, and careless teachers are another part. Outdated facilities, books, and curriculums are another. Standard, boiler plate academics is another (as opposed to invididualized approaches many private schools take, which challenges each student at their appropriate level, instead of naively thinking that all students are at the same level and teaching them together like public schools do.) btw, from my observations, good school districts and excess capacities are connected. If you have a good public school district, people flock there. Go ask any real estate broker. Excess capacity occurs, and then high ratios.

Having vouchers and empowering parents will drive competition between private schools and public schools -- which is a good thing. No teacher, whether they be a private, or public school teacher should feel that they are irreplaceable or untouchable. if they do, they have no motivation to perform well.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Well clearly white collar criminals have motive and opportunity it's just their opportunities are different from normal criminals (white and black).

As for fixing what's wrong with our communities in general (since low income/poor whites are suffering just as much as browns/blacks):
1) End direct payment welfare (provide vouchers/debit card for food)
2) Provide universal healthcare
3) Provide universal public education starting at age 4 extending through post-secondary
4) Provide universal daycare (or subsidized day care) so parents can work
5) Provide extended day school so kids have somewhere to go other than an empty home or the streets
6) Improve public transportation
7) Tax the crap out of gasoline, 20 inch rims, and anything made out of gold, chrome, or platinum
8) Vigorous enforcement of child support laws . . . absolutely no jail time . . . only Enronesque criminals can pay support from the pen.

Seriously, this has got to be the most STUPID thing I've read all week. We are a country of personal opportunity, not a nation of socialism. Why should we reward those who do poorly in life by their own choices?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: peonyu
Thats stupid. You cant have a realistic survey if you dont include the entire population. Like i said, racist.

If a survey says that blacks are disproportionately represented in prisons, then it's obvious that either the survey is racist or that the police who did the arresting are racist.

Or Blacks are committing more crimes.

True, but didn't you once post that the cops wish that they("blacks") were required to carry guns?

CkG

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: peonyu
Thats stupid. You cant have a realistic survey if you dont include the entire population. Like i said, racist.

If a survey says that blacks are disproportionately represented in prisons, then it's obvious that either the survey is racist or that the police who did the arresting are racist.

Or Blacks are committing more crimes.

True, but didn't you once post that the cops wish that they("blacks") were required to carry guns?

CkG

Everyone should have the option to carry a gun.

 

[casey1968]

OK lets assume the billions are going all to the indians doubt it investors you know. There are AA who make good cash in stocks and the like does that change the racial aspect or mean beause a few are doing good we shouldnt care? Just curouse i mean me personally of all the people the US did things to the indians got the short end of the stick they killed most of us stole our land and then stuck us on little ass reservations with no voting priviledges. AA have more rights then indians

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: casey1968
OK lets assume the billions are going all to the indians doubt it investors you know. There are AA who make good cash in stocks and the like does that change the racial aspect or mean beause a few are doing good we shouldnt care? Just curouse i mean me personally of all the people the US did things to the indians got the short end of the stick they killed most of us stole our land and then stuck us on little ass reservations with no voting priviledges. AA have more rights then indians

African American is a stupid, made-up term foisted on us by "Jet-stream Jesse." I'd have just as hard a time as most whites if I was dumped in Africa somewhere. When you say "rights" you have to see them in a contemporary light. Today, rights are elastic and as such are taken away or given at the leisure of those in power. If Indians are short on rights, all they have to do is get together and FORCE the issue, like large swaths of whites have done. Jockeying for for the title of who's worst off won't change anything.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: peonyu
Thats stupid. You cant have a realistic survey if you dont include the entire population. Like i said, racist.

If a survey says that blacks are disproportionately represented in prisons, then it's obvious that either the survey is racist or that the police who did the arresting are racist.

Or Blacks are committing more crimes.

True, but didn't you once post that the cops wish that they("blacks") were required to carry guns?

CkG

Everyone should have the option to carry a gun.

I agree(except for felons). My comment was on the fact that moonie once posted that the cops probably wish that blacks were required to carry guns so when a cops shoots one in the back it won't start a riot.
A real friggin visionary that moonbeam - no?

CkG

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

I agree(except for felons). My comment was on the fact that moonie once posted that the cops probably wish that blacks were required to carry guns so when a cops shoots one in the back it won't start a riot.
A real friggin visionary that moonbeam - no?

CkG

I'd agree with this except that there are SO many ways you can get to be a felon, and more created weekly it seems, that I wonder about even THAT restriction. Visionary? Yeah, very. But then again, some cops make it easy for themselves by carrying a "drop gun" for such occasions.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

I agree(except for felons). My comment was on the fact that moonie once posted that the cops probably wish that blacks were required to carry guns so when a cops shoots one in the back it won't start a riot.
A real friggin visionary that moonbeam - no?

CkG

I'd agree with this except that there are SO many ways you can get to be a felon, and more created weekly it seems, that I wonder about even THAT restriction. Visionary? Yeah, very. But then again, some cops make it easy for themselves by carrying a "drop gun" for such occasions.

Yes - "felon" is way to broad, but those who wouldn't be eligible to carry would infact be felons(or mentally unstable). Violent criminals would be the intended target of the "ban".

CkG

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

I'd agree with this except that there are SO many ways you can get to be a felon, and more created weekly it seems, that I wonder about even THAT restriction. Visionary? Yeah, very. But then again, some cops make it easy for themselves by carrying a "drop gun" for such occasions.

Yes - "felon" is way to broad, but those who wouldn't be eligible to carry would infact be felons(or mentally unstable). Violent criminals would be the intended target of the "ban".

CkG[/quote]

This would SEEM to make sense. Who in their right mind would want a violent felon or a retard carrying a gun? But the truth is that no restrictions on carrying have been offered in good faith. Every single one of them has been proposed by people who don't want ANYONE to have, much less carry a firearm. Inherently violent people won't be put off from carrying by a law. They're inherently anti-law. A retard fits into the same catagory.

As an example of what I mean when I say that gun controllers exist in a constant state of bad-faith: Chicago city council in 1982 passed a gun registration ordinance. Even though most of them are idiots, they were smart enough to know that they couldn't ban them outright. So what they did was put a time limit on the period you could register. After that period expired, no one could register a gun. Which made any NEW guns brought into the city (no gun shops exist in the Chicago) defacto illegal. And because blacks are politically naive, this blatantly unconstitutional act was allowed to stand (dems controlled Chicago then, and still do). People are STILL blowing each others brains out in Chicago at record levels, with the good people caught in the middle and "officially" helpless for 23-years.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

I'd agree with this except that there are SO many ways you can get to be a felon, and more created weekly it seems, that I wonder about even THAT restriction. Visionary? Yeah, very. But then again, some cops make it easy for themselves by carrying a "drop gun" for such occasions.

Yes - "felon" is way to broad, but those who wouldn't be eligible to carry would infact be felons(or mentally unstable). Violent criminals would be the intended target of the "ban".

CkG

This would SEEM to make sense. Who in their right mind would want a violent felon or a retard carrying a gun? But the truth is that no restrictions on carrying have been offered in good faith. Every single one of them has been proposed by people who don't want ANYONE to have, much less carry a firearm. Inherently violent people won't be put off from carrying by a law. They're inherently anti-law. A retard fits into the same catagory.

As an example of what I mean when I say that gun controllers exist in a constant state of bad-faith: Chicago city council in 1982 passed a gun registration ordinance. Even though most of them are idiots, they were smart enough to know that they couldn't ban them outright. So what they did was put a time limit on the period you could register. After that period expired, no one could register a gun. Which made any NEW guns brought into the city (no gun shops exist in the Chicago) defacto illegal. And because blacks are politically naive, this blatantly unconstitutional act was allowed to stand (dems controlled Chicago then, and still do). People are STILL blowing each others brains out in Chicago at record levels, with the good people caught in the middle and "officially" helpless for 23-years.[/quote]

I agree.

CkG