Something Useful! Obama Wants Overtime Pay for More Salaried Workers

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Cstefan

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but the old trick of getting free labor out of employees by making them supervisors while many times doing almost the same job as hourly employees and required to fill in for free when hourly employees are not available needs to be put to a stop,


The real messed up part is along with this comes docking your pay for missing more than the prescribed number of sick days or taking a personal day. But, you are gonna have to come in on Sunday. Unpaid. Mkay? Christmas? Yea, we need those TPS reports.

I was at a company like that. My only regret was leaving them with notice. I should have done it mid critical project.
 

Hugo Drax

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Government has no right to get involved with this. He's just using this as a way to buy more votes and his idiotic supporters fall for this BS.


I agree if we want to compete with China we need to roll back the clock and get the government out completely.

 

Brovane

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The real messed up part is along with this comes docking your pay for missing more than the prescribed number of sick days or taking a personal day. But, you are gonna have to come in on Sunday. Unpaid. Mkay? Christmas? Yea, we need those TPS reports.

I was at a company like that. My only regret was leaving them with notice. I should have done it mid critical project.

I work in IT and one of my co-workers told me about this experience at a previous company where he worked. He had just spent 24 hours resolving a server outage and it was basically around 8am which was the normal start of the work day. He told his boss at the time that he was going home to sleep. His boss looked at him and told him you are coming back later today right? He just kind of laughed and told him no I am not coming back later today. I will see you tomorrow because I have just worked 24 hours straight. His boss at the time was upset that he wasn't coming back later in the day. Then he was like ok you can go home like he was doing him a favor or something by letting him take the rest of the day off after working 24 hours. After that he started looking for a new employer.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I work in IT and one of my co-workers told me about this experience at a previous company where he worked. He had just spent 24 hours resolving a server outage and it was basically around 8am which was the normal start of the work day. He told his boss at the time that he was going home to sleep. His boss looked at him and told him you are coming back later today right? He just kind of laughed and told him no I am not coming back later today. I will see you tomorrow because I have just worked 24 hours straight. His boss at the time was upset that he wasn't coming back later in the day. Then he was like ok you can go home like he was doing him a favor or something by letting him take the rest of the day off after working 24 hours. After that he started looking for a new employer.

A few years ago, I worked 40 out of a possible 48 hours of a weekend on a major project for my company. As my "reward," I was given a single day off. No more of that crap for me.
 

DCal430

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Really when I was salaried I couldn't just pull up and decide at 30 hours into the week I could just leave. Every salaried employee I have seen if the work load is less than 40-hours a week more work gets piled on until it is at least 40-hours of work or usually more.

You obviously never worked for the Government.
 

Jhhnn

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You obviously never worked for the Government.

And you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I'd love to see you work a shift at the counter for the DMV here in Denver on W Mississippi.

No trash talking on internet forums for you, that's for sure.
 
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bumper cars.

Holy shit this thread was made a year ago... finally ol' baracky decided to do something.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-expand-overtime-eligibility-millions-104703937.html

The Obama administration plans to raise the wages of millions of Americans who work more than 40 hours a week by requiring employers to pay them overtime.

Workers who earn as much as $970 a week would have to be paid overtime even if they’re classified as a manager or professional, according to a plan outlined on the Department of Labor website Tuesday. The White House issued a fact sheet Tuesday that said 4.7 million workers nationwide would be affected within the first year.

Many employees now receiving as little as $455 a week, or $23,660 a year -- below the federal poverty line for a family of four -- aren’t entitled to overtime pay because they are classified as managers.

“A hard day’s work deserves a fair day’s pay,” Obama wrote. “That’s at the heart of what it means to be middle class in America.”

The regulations would take effect in 2016 and extend overtime pay to 420,000 workers in California, 400,000 in Texas, and 290,000 in New York, according to a state-by-state breakdown from the White House. Workers in retail stores and restaurants are among those most likely to be affected.

Obama has been stymied by Republicans in his attempts to get Congress to raise the federal minimum wage at a time when income inequality is emerging as an issue in the 2016 presidential campaign.

Broad Reach
The new rules, proposed by the Labor Department, would be the broadest action by the administration to bolster middle-and lower-income workers, whose wages have stagnated since the recession. Obama is scheduled to discuss the economy during a trip to La Crosse, Wisconsin, on Thursday.

“You would be hard pressed to find a rule change or an executive order that would reach more middle class workers than this one,” said Jared Bernstein, a former economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden who is now a senior fellow at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.

The median U.S. household income of $54,600 in April was $1,600 short of the amount at the start of the recession in December 2007, according to inflation-adjusted estimates from Sentier Research.

Business lobbyists, including the National Retail Federation, argue that changing the rules might prompt employers to reconsider their supervisory structures, reducing flexibility for managers to directly serve customers and cutting entry-level management jobs.

Defining Categories
The 1938 New Deal-era law establishing the federal 40-hour workweek and requiring overtime for additional hours exempts professional, administrative and executive employees.

Labor Department regulations define those categories, in part, through a minimum salary level. The threshold, eroded by inflation, has only been raised once since 1975, a readjustment in 2004 under President George W. Bush that was criticized as too modest by labor unions and some Democrats.

The overtime cutoff covered 8 percent of salaried workers last year, compared with 65 percent in 1975, according to an analysis by Ross Eisenbrey, vice president of the Economic Policy Institute, a research group partly funded by labor unions.

The definition of a manager is ambiguous enough under current regulations that restaurant or retail workers who spend most of their time doing manual labor or serving customers can be deemed “executives” exempt from overtime, Eisenbrey said.

Management Duties
The administration didn’t propose any changes to the regulatory definition of a manager, though the Labor Department also is considering tightening that standard.

Under the Bush administration’s 2004 rules, exempt executives must supervise at least two employees and management must be their primary duty, though there is no requirement covering the amount of time they spend on management tasks. California state regulations, by contrast, require more than half of an employee’s time be spent on management duties to be exempt from overtime pay.

The rule change has been long anticipated and under attack from Republicans and some business representatives.

Lamar Alexander, the Tennessee Republican who is chairman of the Senate Labor Committee, previously condemned Obama’s plan to act on overtime as part of an economic strategy seemingly “engineered to make it as unappealing as possible to be an employer creating jobs in this country.”

Again, sadly this isn't going to affect me - but it's a step in the right direction.
 

TheSlamma

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Bout time.. but too bad it stops at $50K why not just blanket the law across the board?

Being ground into dust doesn't have a salary cap.
 
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Bout time.. but too bad it stops at $50K why not just blanket the law across the board?

Being ground into dust doesn't have a salary cap.

I totally agree.

I think the only exception should be if you are a business owner and want to invest a lot of time in the development of your own business. Obviously it doesn't make sense to force YOURSELF to pay yourself overtime when it's your own decision. Same goes for executives that have high stakes in the company (stock options, etc..)

Most salaried people gain no benefits from company advancement. It's a damn shame. Our salaries start at ~$50k for anyone coming out of college.

Making it across the board will make managers and employers think twice before they tell you to work on something over the weekend.
 

Slew Foot

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Bout time.. but too bad it stops at $50K why not just blanket the law across the board?

Being ground into dust doesn't have a salary cap.

Agree, doesnt make sense to have an income cap. The law should apply equally to everyone.
 

Exophase

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I'm not sure what the point of this is. It's not going to result in more money for people. It'll either result in less wages, less jobs, or less hours.

How would it result in fewer jobs?

More likely it'll result in more jobs. Companies will be less willing or able to exploit any given worker to work a tremendous number of hours a week, resulting in them hiring more workers to compensate. This is, IMO, a better outcome.

EDIT: Didn't realize the necro >_>
 
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How would it result in fewer jobs?

More likely it'll result in more jobs. Companies will be less willing or able to exploit any given worker to work a tremendous number of hours a week, resulting in them hiring more workers to compensate. This is, IMO, a better outcome.

EDIT: Didn't realize the necro >_>

Not really a necro. Obama made a proposition over a year ago, and much like everything else he does, he got to it about a year later after finishing his record number holes of golf.
 

Anubis

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while this can be good, in reality it needs to be across all pay grades

another simple fix is just convince company's to pay people more - but that will never happen
 

Ackmed

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This would help out my girlfriend, she often times gets fucked working more hours than her salary pay is supposed to cover. I'll have to look into it more, because I don't trust PR statements, or he reasoning for attempting this. Or that it will actually happen.

edit, dammit just read the salary cap of $970 a week, that excludes her. I agree that it shouldn't matter how much they get paid, over 40 is over 40. And making them work 50+ getting paid for 40 is bullshit.
 
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Exophase

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Not really a necro. Obama made a proposition over a year ago, and much like everything else he does, he got to it about a year later after finishing his record number holes of golf.

Your update was fine. I on the other hand should probably pay more attention before I respond to posts made by people over a year ago.
 

glenn1

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Sounds fine in theory since it's just a definitional change, unless you're like an officer of the firm there's really no reason for employers to expect more than 40 hours from salaried employees. It likely won't completely change the (stupid) mindset of some employers where time in chair is valued over actual output and quality regardless of quantity of time spent at work, but you gotta start somewhere. I just hope the admin doesn't load up the change with poison pills or unrelated crap as a payoff to some unrelated favored constituency.
 

DrDoug

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My wife's employer (big box retail) is going to shit bricks because they have been abusing this forever. It's going to be interesting to see what the fallout there is going to be. Their 'management' positions are 45 hours a week and just about all of their assistant managers are going to benefit from this.

Their assistant managers do the same work as the hourly workers, they just made enough to get over the minimum so they can not collect overtime.
 
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Ackmed

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My wife's employer (big box retail) is going to shit bricks because they have been abusing this forever. It's going to be interesting to see what the fallout there is going to be. Their 'management' positions are 45 hours a week and just about all of their assistant managers are going to benefit from this.

Their assistant managers do the same work as the hourly workers, they just made enough to get over the minimum so they can not collect overtime.

My GF is in the same boat, retail. The hourly managers get paid more to work holidays (time and a half), my GF does not get anything extra. They abuse the hell out of that. The hourly managers get paid overtime (obviously) for working overtime. So they try to make my GF work it instead, because it is free labor and cut off hourly managers at 40. My GF makes the schedule but her district manager puts in heavy input on what she can and can't do. Really pisses me off when I hear about it. But I have serious doubts that this will ever be. Would be nice but doubtful.
 

DrDoug

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This will never get pass the House.

Nice try though.

That's the best part, it doesn't have to go through the House or Senate, it's an Executive office decision.

That damned tyrant Obama! :thumbsup:
 

DrDoug

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My GF is in the same boat, retail. The hourly managers get paid more to work holidays (time and a half), my GF does not get anything extra. They abuse the hell out of that. The hourly managers get paid overtime (obviously) for working overtime. So they try to make my GF work it instead, because it is free labor and cut off hourly managers at 40. My GF makes the schedule but her district manager puts in heavy input on what she can and can't do. Really pisses me off when I hear about it. But I have serious doubts that this will ever be. Would be nice but doubtful.

My wife's employer says 45 hours a week but pushes 50 or more if they can get it after all it's free labor to them. This is going to wreck the way they have been screwing over people and it's about damned time.
 

Ackmed

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My GF's is 44 hours, and yes especially during the holiday season works far more than that. The company defiantly abuses it.
 

cabri

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Increase the pay; increase the costs to the consumer. A company is not going to eat the cost.
 
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