Something's Up With The Space Shuttle (Missing)

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StinkyPinky

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I hope it was a quick death. Can you imagine being the pilot and feeling the shuttle fall apart on you? I wonder what went through his mind, or if he even had time to think about such things...

And he was Israeli too. Let's hope he doesn't cop some unfair blame, because it sounds like there was nothing he could have done.
 

JetBlack69

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One of the crew said it was the heaviest shuttle to go. I guess the shuttle couldn't take it on re-entry.
 

LH

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Some are thinking it wasnt foam insulation now, some are thinking it was ice from the solid rocket boosters.
 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
What about the possibility of sabotage? It seems strange that it would explode during this part of the mission.

I mean - the engines are off. It is just screaming through the air.
The engines are not off at that point; the steering thrusters continue to fire until the shuttle is only a short distance above the ground.

Also, it doesn't appear that the shuttle exploded, rather it looks more like it simply disintegrated. Many things could cause that, most likely (to me, at least) would be some sort of structural failure.

The video on CNN there was a pretty large burst of flame or light, whatever it was. That could be an explosion. It could be something breaking off then leading to an explosion. We won't know for a while. How long do you guys think before they tell us how it happened? Weeks?



It's possible they will never discover what happened. I doubt they will even venture any theories in less than a year.
 

NakaNaka

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Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
I hope it was a quick death. Can you imagine being the pilot and feeling the shuttle fall apart on you? I wonder what went through his mind, or if he even had time to think about such things...

And he was Israeli too. Let's hope he doesn't cop some unfair blame, because it sounds like there was nothing he could have done.

Saddest part is I'm sure there are millions of Arabs in the Middle East cheering right now. Not all of course, but too many. And dont' tell me that is a gross generalization, because you saw the videos after 9/11.
 

Cuda1447

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This is a horrible tragedy. Lets pray for all the families and friends of these brave men. God bless.
 

NogginBoink

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Originally posted by: SirChadwick
They say that it is very unlikely that this was an act of terrorism...I think otherwise. What are the chances of this happening? I'm thinking they don't want to panic everyone in the US thinking that we've let them get away w/ another act.

Wally Schirra (I think) was asked by a reporter what he was thinking in the final few moments before liftoff. His response was, "I was thinking that every part of this ship was built by the lowest bidder."

The chances of an accident of this scope happening are extremely high, in my opinion. The shuttle is an extraordinarily complex system of interrelated systems. It was travelling at an outrageous speed, taking tremendous physical and thermal stresses just from the normal re-entry. A small error in, say, attitude of the ship, would change the forces on the ship enormously.

I think it's hard for us to truly appreciate the environment that the shuttle is in during reentry. The shuttle is not "just screaming through the air." It's screaming through the air. I can't begin to imagine the forces that air resistance alone impose on the shuttle's structure.

If anything goes wrong during reentry, what we saw today is probably the most likely scenario. I can't imagine many "small" failures. If I'm flying my airplane and the engine quits, I can coast to a field or a nearby airport. Or if I have a control failure, I can hope to compenstate with the other flight controls. At 17,000 miles per hour at 200,000 feet, the shuttle doesn't have these luxuries.

Meanwhile, it would be incredibly difficult for a terrorist to do this. 200,000 feet is a long, long way up, and 17,000 miles per hour is really, really fast. I doubt any kind of surface-to-air weapon could achieve both that altitude and that velocity. (What would the use of such a weapon be?) Sabotage is a more probable scenario in my mind, but the lauch was extremely closely guarded due to the presence of an Isralei astronaut, and I'm not sure that a saboteur would choose this moment to cause damage.

Anyway.... the summary of my rant is that I believe that a mechanical failure is probably the most likely scenario. But this is pure speculation on my part.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: SirChadwick
Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: SirChadwick
They say that it is very unlikely that this was an act of terrorism...I think otherwise. What are the chances of this happening? I'm thinking they don't want to panic everyone in the US thinking that we've let them get away w/ another act.
Most nations don't have the capability to destroy an aircraft travelling at six times the speed of sound, and almost forty miles above the earth.....how the fuck do you suppose terrorists could do it?!?

Terrorist = 1 of the crew members.

Go back and read my post on page 3. All it would take for this to happen is for the shuttle to deviate mere inches for something like this to happen. The angle of attack has to be very, very precise and if it's off by much at all the shuttle would begin to disintegrate.

I suppose that next you will try to say the onboard terrorist was the Israeli.
 

reitz

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Originally posted by: SirChadwick
Originally posted by: reitz
Originally posted by: SirChadwick
They say that it is very unlikely that this was an act of terrorism...I think otherwise. What are the chances of this happening? I'm thinking they don't want to panic everyone in the US thinking that we've let them get away w/ another act.
Most nations don't have the capability to destroy an aircraft travelling at six times the speed of sound, and almost forty miles above the earth.....how the fuck do you suppose terrorists could do it?!?

Terrorist = 1 of the crew members.
That's about as likely as Al Quaeda infiltrating the US Secret Service.
 

MeanMeosh

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Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Originally posted by: MeanMeosh
check out the base reflectivity over dallas flare up for a moment here: reflectivity

=(

What does that show?

i believe that line that went from bottom to center is the shuttle path and the flare was the moments after the explosion, with debris streaming down.
 

UltraQuiet

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Let's try to keep our eye on the ball here folks.

Seven people just died a tragic death while in service to their country and the world.

Let's save the supposition and conspiracy theories for later.

<--- Salutes seven brave men and women and sends heartfelt condolences to their friends and families.

 

ManSnake

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Tragic, it's even sadder to see that the space program will be scaled back once again
 

0roo0roo

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he was the commander that lead the attack on iraqs nuclear reactor. i don't think he'd take out a shuttle
 

Pastfinder

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We don't know if they are dead yet, let's not give up hope so quickly. And yes, I know the facts of reentry, so don't bother posting about it...
 

NakaNaka

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Originally posted by: ManSnake
Tragic, it's even sadder to see that the space program will be scaled back once again

No, it is not sadder than seven people being dead.
 
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