Something's Up With The Space Shuttle (Missing)

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yellowperil

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Heard this on the radio while I was taking a walk. Tragic news I watched the shuttle launch on TV and I remember they interviewed one of Ilan Ramon's colleagues who showed genuine excitement about Ramon doing research in space. It's sad that it ended like this
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its the oldest shuttle, so i guess if one had to break from failure it would be the one. i wonder what changes they did to design later on, or if they are the same.

I would assume there were no design changes made to any of them. It would have been far to complex to put any changes into.
 

Ruckas

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Not sure if anyone has said this. So I will add this. The challengers main job is transporting crap back and forth to the space station. For both Russia and the USA. I bet those guys are wondering what the hell they are gonna do now that they lost thier ride :\ Poor bastards. That's gota suck..

I think it's because all the budget cuts etc, they had to use ghetto parts to cut down on cost. Eventually it's gonna break..

Ruckas-
 

compudog

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Rick D. Husband
William C. McCool
Michael P. Anderson
David M. Brown
Kalpana Chawla
Laurel Clark
Ilan Ramon


May you Rest in Peace...
 

I just lowered my American flag to half mast, my thoughts are for the families of all who were lost.
 
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WFAA is talking to a guy that's found several pieces in Nacadoches. reporting sizes up to 5'x5'

OK, the guy their talking to is the Chief of Fire. found 40+ pieces.
 

Moonbeam

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Commander: Rick D. Husband
Pilot: William C. McCool
Payload Commander: Michael P. Anderson
Mission Specialists: David M. Brown, Kalpana Chawla, Laurel Blair Salton Clark
Payload Specialist: Ilan Ramon
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its the oldest shuttle, so i guess if one had to break from failure it would be the one. i wonder what changes they did to design later on, or if they are the same.

I would assume there were no design changes made to any of them. It would have been far to complex to put any changes into.
There were some changes made. Mostly to the avionics and computer systems. There are some differences in the ship itself bu I can't think off the top of the head what they are. I remember reading all about it. After this calms down a bit I'll see if I can get in touch with a friend of mine who works at NASA. My boss' son works there as well, some type of engineer, so maybe I can get info from him as well.

 

CaptnKirk

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Having worked on the manufacture of the Shutle, I have a fairly intimate amount of knowledge of it's structure.
The TPS - Thermal Protection System, consists of the Tiles in the high energy exposure zones, and a blanketing material
in the non-dynamic exposure areas

There was a confirmed report of a peice of 'Insulation' that had come off at launch and struck the left wing, written off as 'Minor' concern.
If the tiles at the strike impact area had been cracked they may have had portions shake loose from the strain isolation pads they mount on,
or even had an edge exposed during re-enrty that may have allowed aerodynamic overpressures to strip that tile and the adjacrnt tiles
free from the mounts - exposing the aluminum airframe to the temperatures and pressures of atmospheric heating - you have 'Burn Through'

A burn through would have extended on through the structure resulting in shedding the affected wing, and at the point of catostrophic failure of
that wing component, the resulting aerodynamic asymetry would have caused the shuttle to roll and tumble, causing the structure aft of the
crew compartment to shear and open the cargo doors and structuraly disintigrate. That's the senario of how the Challenger came apart also.

40 miles in altitude at 12,000+ MPH is a velocity rate of almost 3 1/2 miles per second, 18,300 feet per second. not much is going to be left.
the major parts that do impact will still be traveling between 200 and 250 MPH when they strike - unsurvivable.

I always thought that the most likely failure would be on re-entry. I was very supprised that the Chalenger blew, and I was standing watching it
climb when that happened. This is a sadly stunning day for our Space Program.

 

KahunaHube

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i heard them saying something on NBC about the 3 astronauts still in the space station having some sort of backup ship that they could take back to earth. Anybody know about this?
 

munkey1

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Supposedly the wing was damaged during takeoff. Part of the insulation from the detachable gastank hit the wing, cauisng some damage...
 

Wag

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Yeah, they have a spare Soyuz pod docked at the station which can hold 3- of course if they come back to Earth in it the station will be abandonded. They can still send people and supplies up to the station with a Soyuz as well.
 
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
cnn has video from wfaa in dallas

D/FW area viewers- check out NBC5. They're showing amateur video and stills that you're not seeing on national news from various angles and zooms- incredible.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its the oldest shuttle, so i guess if one had to break from failure it would be the one. i wonder what changes they did to design later on, or if they are the same.

I would assume there were no design changes made to any of them. It would have been far to complex to put any changes into.
There were some changes made. Mostly to the avionics and computer systems. There are some differences in the ship itself bu I can't think off the top of the head what they are. I remember reading all about it. After this calms down a bit I'll see if I can get in touch with a friend of mine who works at NASA. My boss' son works there as well, some type of engineer, so maybe I can get info from him as well.

From CNN:
Columbia is the oldest of NASA's shuttle fleet, first launched in 1981. It was on its 28th mission. The shuttle underwent an extensive, 17-month overhaul that began in September, 1999.

It rejoined the shuttle fleet in February, 2001 and flew its first mission after the upgrades in March, 2002.
 
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