Son of a b, Tamiflu is expensive.

ManBearPig

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This sucks.

Ah well; if i can stay awake and stop shivering, i just bought a new TV a couple weeks ago which i should enjoy.
 

rbV5

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Don't you guys have insurance? Plus you can probably deduct it on your taxes.

You can only deduct medical expenses that qualify AND exceed 7.5% of your adjusted Gross income, and you must file form 1040...so good luck with that.
 

dullard

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How many hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D before they got a marketable drug?
I don't know if there is a good source of that information. But, we can guess. Gilead Sciences had a $86M IPO warchest in 1992. Four years later, Tamiflu was patented along with several other products. Lets just guess on the large side that Tamiflu development required half of thier money. So, $43M to get it patented. At that point Roche bought the rights. I don't know what Roche paid for FDA approval for that drug. But I have dealt with Roche for other products and Roche told me that they typically pay $7M to $10M for each approval. Probably since Tamiflu is a big drug, they paid more for more research. Until someone links real information, I'll just guess $20M. Note: the federal goverment picks up about half of the expenses, so lets add on another $20M. That gives us $43M + $20M + $20M = $83M as a very rough guess. If anyone has concrete numbers, I'll gladly update.

Now, there may have been other expenses. The goverment may have given Gilead grant money to help develop it. The government was also planning to spend $1B to stockpile it (does anyone here know how much was actually spent?). Not coincidently, a nameless goverment employee at the time received tens of millions of dollars in his stock share increase from this announcement. I think the "Tamiflu was expensive to develop" argument is a bit overused. They already got a ~15x return on the non-government expenses.

My bias in case you are wondering: I develop medical tests for a living and my wife works at a well-known pharmaceutical company.

You can only deduct medical expenses that qualify AND exceed 7.5% of your adjusted Gross income, and you must file form 1040...so good luck with that.
I was about to post the same thing. You must be able to itemize, you must have massive expenses that aren't covered by insurance, and the insurance premiums aren't usually deductable in this category.
 
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RichUK

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I think they send it to you free in the UK. Fingers crossed I don't get the piggy flu.
 

JS80

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I don't know if there is a good source of that information. But, we can guess. Gilead Sciences had a $86M IPO warchest in 1992. Four years later, Tamiflu was patented along with several other products. Lets just guess on the large side that Tamiflu development required half of thier money. So, $43M to get it patented. At that point Roche bought the rights. I don't know what Roche paid for FDA approval for that drug. But I have dealt with Roche for other products and Roche told me that they typically pay $7M to $10M for each approval. Probably since Tamiflu is a big drug, they paid more for more research. Until someone links real information, I'll just guess $20M. Note: the federal goverment picks up about half of the expenses, so lets add on another $20M. That gives us $43M + $20M + $20M = $83M as a very rough guess. If anyone has concrete numbers, I'll gladly update.

Now, there may have been other expenses. The goverment may have given Gilead grant money to help develop it. The government was also planning to spend $1B to stockpile it (does anyone here know how much was actually spent?). Not coincidently, a nameless goverment employee at the time received tens of millions of dollars in his stock share increase from this announcement. I think the "Tamiflu was expensive to develop" argument is a bit overused. They already got a ~15x return on the non-government expenses.

My bias in case you are wondering: I develop medical tests for a living and my wife works at a well-known pharmaceutical company.


I was about to post the same thing. You must be able to itemize, you must have massive expenses that aren't covered by insurance, and the insurance premiums aren't usually deductable in this category.

How many billions in R&D did Roche and Gilead spend on other drugs that never made to market?
 

ManBearPig

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Well apparently it goes for about $100, but Costco (good ol Costco) had it for $30! Yeaaa
 
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dullard

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How many billions in R&D did Roche and Gilead spend on other drugs that never made to market?
Roche generally doesn't do much R&D. They buy companies that have already done the R&D. Roche also spends billions on ads to promote their products. So, Roche spends billions, but NOT on research.

Gilead had that warchest in the tens of millions that I mentioned. They may have borrowed a bit more, but it certainly wouldn't have gone to the billions point.

Often the companies that spend so much money for products that don't get to market are startups go bust. So, yes billions are spent on new drugs that don't go anywhere. But money you pay for successful drugs basically goes into pocketbooks of shareholders - not into researching new drugs.
 
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MovingTarget

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Yeah, $130 is waay too much. Even with BCBS coverage, it was around $90 for me. That is outrageous. Unfortunately, big pharma has our congressmen bought and paid for many times over. So until the patent runs out and generics become available, the best thing we can do is bend over and hope that we stay healthy.
 
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