Sons of Anarchy Season 7 premieres tonight

[purbeast0]

He had Juice kill the mom because she could have linked them to the gun her son used for the school shooting. She was an unreliable junky loose end, and they were trying to avoid the whole RICO thing. He had Juice do it in secret, though, so Nero didn't know he broke his promise to him not to kill her... he "owned" Juice at that point. I believe the rest of the club also thought she just OD'd or whatever.

i'm not sure what you mean by the bolded. nero knew that juice killed the girl, and that jax is the one who gave him the orders. he spilled the beans when he was but naked and flying high as a kite.

 

[ImpulsE69]

And Nero confronted Jax about it after Juice told him, so yes, Jax knew.

Keep in mind that all this started when Juice was giving intel to the feds (when he finally told them). He basically did everything wrong every time.

 

[Booty]

Cops run license plates all the time. "Holy shit, he's looking at my car, time to commit a major felony to escape!!!"

Again, Juice was making better with the club for PREVIOUS indiscretions, not for knowing what happened to bitchface. So killing the one guy that comes clean to you out of everyone involved AFTER doing all this other dirty work, seems a little excessive.

Throughout the series if the cops just want to talk, they send in familiar representatives that the Sons know they don't need to run from. They've been around long enough to spot an arrest waiting to happen. He didn't let them take him in this time around because he was on a mission to figure out if Gemma really killed Tara and where the hell she was at... he didn't have time to sit in a cell.

Juice's death will be "quick". That's what he gets for coming clean. Which seems about fair to me... over the past few seasons, he's just been scrambling to save his own ass. Covering his ethnicity led him to cooperate on the RICO investigation. Then he KILLED A MEMBER to hide that he was the one that stole the coke as evidence. He eventually ends up siding (for lack of a better word) with Clay for a while... and then the whole smothering the kid's mom thing.

He can't keep a secret. He makes stupid decisions to cover his own ass. He's completely unstable. On top of all that past, he hides pretty much the biggest truth possible and helps Gemma come up with a story that sets off a chain of events that costs the club a ton of lives and money.

I'd say if Jax has ever had justification to have someone offed, it's Juice. Right up there with Clay.

 

[Booty]

i'm not sure what you mean by the bolded. nero knew that juice killed the girl, and that jax is the one who gave him the orders. he spilled the beans when he was but naked and flying high as a kite.

Right, but initially it was a secret - Jax had promised Nero he wouldn't kill the mom, but had Juice do it anyway. I think Jax and Juice were the only two that knew he actually had her killed... I don't think the rest of the club knew (and maybe still don't)?

So, in order of events...

1. Juice steals the coke, kills the member, etc. all because he thinks the gang will kick him out 'cause he's half black (cops wanted to get leverage on a member to help w/ RICO case).
2. Jax eventually finds out, "pardons" Juice in exchange for his complete unquestioning loyalty.
3. Jax uses Juice to do the dirty work on the mom (not to mention the assists in taking down Clay, etc).
4. Juice eventually cracks after failed suicide attempt #2 and "betrays" Jax by telling Nero about murdering the mom.
5. Jax let's Juice know that he knows about him telling Nero, which puts Juice in desperation mode once again.
6. Juice is thinking of going on the run or whatever anyway when stumbles upon Tara's murder.
7. He saves Gemma's hide, they make up the story, Gemma helps Juice hide.
8. Shit completely hits the fan. Juice is caught in the act trying to rat out the club (to save his own ass, again) to the Mayans. He gets his one last shot at supposed redemption - tasked with offing Lin in prison.
9. Offs Lin, but in the meantime Jax uncovers the truth, so now there's nowhere left to go.

Did I get all that right? There's no way you leave Juice alive.

To answer the question would I have wanted to tell Jax about his mom killing Tara? Of course not. But would I have lied and covered it up - no way. I would have honestly tried to talk to other club members... Bobby, Chibs...

But that's the point with Juice. He's an idiot.

 

[Elixer]

Juice will be in witness protection, at least, it is pointing that way...
Then cops pick up Gemma for the murder.

 

[Craig234]

One thing likely to affect the story is that Gemma's actress is the wife of the show's creator and writer, so her character has a large part of the story.

My biggest beef with the story is that I felt the Gemma kills Tara part was done poorly, that Gemma would not have done that.

The setup with Juice getting Henry Lin in a room alone to interrogate and murder is a bit much also, especially after the sheriff took steps to prevent that knowing it was the plan.

 

[purbeast0]

Right, but initially it was a secret - Jax had promised Nero he wouldn't kill the mom, but had Juice do it anyway. I think Jax and Juice were the only two that knew he actually had her killed... I don't think the rest of the club knew (and maybe still don't)?

So, in order of events...

1. Juice steals the coke, kills the member, etc. all because he thinks the gang will kick him out 'cause he's half black (cops wanted to get leverage on a member to help w/ RICO case).
2. Jax eventually finds out, "pardons" Juice in exchange for his complete unquestioning loyalty.
3. Jax uses Juice to do the dirty work on the mom (not to mention the assists in taking down Clay, etc).
4. Juice eventually cracks after failed suicide attempt #2 and "betrays" Jax by telling Nero about murdering the mom.
5. Jax let's Juice know that he knows about him telling Nero, which puts Juice in desperation mode once again.
6. Juice is thinking of going on the run or whatever anyway when stumbles upon Tara's murder.
7. He saves Gemma's hide, they make up the story, Gemma helps Juice hide.
8. Shit completely hits the fan. Juice is caught in the act trying to rat out the club (to save his own ass, again) to the Mayans. He gets his one last shot at supposed redemption - tasked with offing Lin in prison.
9. Offs Lin, but in the meantime Jax uncovers the truth, so now there's nowhere left to go.

Did I get all that right? There's no way you leave Juice alive.

To answer the question would I have wanted to tell Jax about his mom killing Tara? Of course not. But would I have lied and covered it up - no way. I would have honestly tried to talk to other club members... Bobby, Chibs...

But that's the point with Juice. He's an idiot.

to the bolded, yeah i knew that. i guess i didn't explicitly say it. and when juice spilled the beans to nero, that was the reason why he was basically excommunicated in the first place by jax. so yeah, we're all on the same page

 

[Hugh Jass]

Cops run license plates all the time. "Holy shit, he's looking at my car, time to commit a major felony to escape!!!"

Again, Juice was making better with the club for PREVIOUS indiscretions, not for knowing what happened to bitchface. So killing the one guy that comes clean to you out of everyone involved AFTER doing all this other dirty work, seems a little excessive.

Seems you need to stop trying to discuss things you obviously know little to nothing about.

 

[alkemyst]

Elvis has left the building Probably the only straight oldie in the bunch.

 

[Elixer]

After a week off, it is back...

FX-E - Tue, 12/02, 10:00 PM 2 hrs 41 min

"Red Rose"
New, 12/02/2014, Drama, Action, Crime, Automobile, Gang
As tensions continue to rise and truths are finally revealed, the president of the Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club's Redwood Original chapter must now make a decision that will profoundly impact his and everyone else's future.

Next week is series finale.

 

[dougp]

After a week off, it is back...

FX-E - Tue, 12/02, 10:00 PM 2 hrs 41 min


Next week is series finale.

I thought we had 3 weeks left ...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I thought we had 3 weeks left ...

Negatory. Tonight and next week, that's it.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Glorious.

 

[dougp]

I really find this anti-climatic. Let's see how next week goes ...

 

[Booty]

That convenient twist where Connor was selling guns direct and pocketing the profits annoyed me - not that the Sons couldn't still fail to track him down and save the whole guns/territory truce between black, brown, and white... but I kinda preferred the deal falling apart.

Guess it's too early to see, but I get the feeling that we still might see a "happy ending" in the sense of all beefs get settled on the streets, Jax leaves the club in good shape for the future, and then he meets Mr. Mayhem, still getting to be the "good guy" by coming clean about all his missteps.

Part of me wanted to see him go down in flames and let Gemma survive and end up rotting in Jail, knowing she destroyed her family and the club. A bullet in the head was too good for her.

 

[drbrock]

This season has been pretty bad. Gemma's end was not that great. If I had not invested 5 years into this show I would have stopped watching it.

Nero and Chibs are the only ones to have a somewhat real comprehension of what is going on.

The Juice storyline went on for way too long. How many times do I have to see him raped for me to understand his life sucks? The most redeeming part of his death is that the storyline is finally closed.

Hope Jax meets mr mayhem next week. Chibs takes over and Nero heads to the farm with Wendy. Total speculation but I think they have been setting up a closeness between the two all season. Too many scenes with them having random friendly banter.

Can't wait to see the end result for Happy. Such a random fun character.

 

[dougp]

I don't think Jax will meet Mayhem.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I'm wondering why Jax is limping. Seems like a weird thing to include in dialog and his acting (it was on and off in this week's episode) if it doesn't amount to anything in the final episode.

I was shocked that Jax killed Unser. Didn't see that coming, but his last line of dialog makes sense. Gemma and SAMCRO are all he had left in his life. Gemma was going to die regardless. With her gone and him estranged from the MC, he had no reason to live.

I think we've all suspected for a while that Jax will die and Wendy will end up with the boys on Nero's farm. All we really have left to see is how he dies. Killed by Connor? Killed by Marks? On death row? Killed by his club? Does he kill himself to spare the club the burden of Mayhem?

 

[dougp]

I really wish Gemma had offered to kill herself and take the rap for murdering Wayne.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Does he kill himself to spare the club the burden of Mayhem?

Hmmm...intentionally riding into an accident/sabotage, as Jury suggested Jax's father did?

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think Jax will die. They intentionally left what he said to the charters out, but pretty sure it was his way of keeping them in the clear and good if he dies. Since he went through with 2 major kills (at least one completely unnecessary), I can't see how the writer will let him live.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I think Jax will die. They intentionally left what he said to the charters out, but pretty sure it was his way of keeping them in the clear and good if he dies. Since he went through with 2 major kills (at least one completely unnecessary), I can't see how the writer will let him live.

I went into this season assuming that Jax would avenge Tara, take the kids and ride off into the sunset to get them away from the club. They were not going to let the kids wind up with Gemma, so it looked like Jax would survive. Now with Wendy back in a mom role and set up to be safe and cozy on the farm Jax is superfluous. They can kill him and still have the kids safe in a relatively stable environment, so yeah, Jax is a goner. Any doubt was removed with the murders of Gemma (justified) and Unser (damn sure not justified), there's no way he's coming back from that. So now he'll be a good little Hamlet and die in the end, but not before finding redemption. He'll do something noble to make sure the club is secure, take out the Irish and insure that nobody will go after Wendy/Nero/kids and die in the process. The end.

What's with the limp? Did I miss something or was that a flash forward to something that hasn't happened yet?

 

[Jadow]

prediction: they're going to patch in the grim basterds then use the extra votes to win the mayhem vote.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think the limp was from the car chase etc the previous episode...the beginning of this episode was the next morning.

 

[Booty]

prediction: they're going to patch in the grim basterds then use the extra votes to win the mayhem vote.

I also think they're going to patch in the Bastards... and maybe Tyler's crew too. He talked about it to the Bastards a couple episodes ago, and then talked to the other presidents about getting rid of an unwritten bylaw. The same bylaw, really, that started most of this... the original reason the cops had leverage on Juice.

I don't think it's to win the mayhem vote, though. I think it's so they have enough combined strength to keep the Mayans in check, just in case.

I also don't know what was with the limp... if he got in the car chase, that's fine, but why explicitly point it out? Kind of a weird thing to briefly focus on unless there's something to it, and if not just another example of how this show adds pointless filler.