Sony Trinitron Monitors...what is with those black lines???

[QwErTyBk]

I went to a computer show last weekend and was looking at the Sony Trinitron Refurbs. On a white screen, two black lines going horizontally across the screen are easliy seen. The vendor told me that all Sony Trinitrons have these lines (which look like a row of dead pixels). He said that it was a trademark for real trinitrons or something. Well, all the other trinitrons had this increadibly annoying "Feature." so i believed him.

Why would sony permanently and physically do something like that to their monitors? It looks terrible with these 2 black lines going across. Just doesn't seem right.

On a side note...
By the way, when i hooked one of these up to HalfLife, the monitor came up with an error saying that the "information was out of scan range" or somehting like that. The salesperson had no clue what it meant. What may have caused that, and how could it be fixed?


Anyway, now i'm thinking that Sony Trinitrons are pieces of crap. Thought I'd share that with all of you

 

[BillMartin12]

??

Sounds like this salesperson was talking out of their bum.

2 rows of black pixels...yeah makes perfect sense...what an excellent feature!!



Bill Martin

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

it's not just sony monitors, but all trinitron monitors. you'll have them unless you buy a shadowmask monitor. the lines just hold the monitor in place (i think), it's more noticible on some than others (on my viewsonic p715 it was almost invisible unless a pure white background).

 

[yiwonder]

All aperture grille monitors have these two horizontal lines. The help keep the tension and spacing in the grid (at least something like that). I can only see mine if I look for them. You'll just ignore them doing any type of work on the computer.

 

[EdipisReks]

those are wires that hold on the aperture grill. all aperture grill monitors have them. its a trade off you make for having an incredibly sharp and vibrant monitor. sounds like the monitor you saw was just a crappy example of why you shouldn't trust stuff at computer shows.

--jacob

 

[PliotronX]

Those are damper wires and are only obtrusive if you let them...

 

[Viper GTS]

They are damper wires to hold the wire mask in place. Smaller monitors have one, 17"+ typically have two. They bother some people, other people dont' mind them. I'm one of the people that doesn't mind them.

Viper GTS

 

[Skot]

Those are damper wires to help support the grille. Any monitor over 15" using the Trinitron tube (developed by Sony, but used in other brand monitors) will have these wires.

Some people mind them, some people don't.

 

[QwErTyBk]

Does the Samsung 17" 753DF (I think that is the model) have these lines? Any thoughts/Opinions on these. Looks pretty good to me for about $160 at Best Buy.

Also does anyone know what was up with that error message I was getting?

Thanks for the help...I dont know how you guys put up with the lines...In Microsoft word in the white background they are blatantly obvious and very annoying!

 

[sMashPiranha]

My VX720 has two of them, the only time I see them is on light colour screens and only if I look for them.

 

[QwErTyBk]

I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with that monitor...who makes it? Sony or Samsung?

 

[bozo1]

Most people don't even notice them. It's kinda fun to point them out to people with Trinitrons and then it bothers the hell out of 'em!

 

[Scootin159]

my NEC FP950 has 2 of them, and I can only see them on a pure white background, while I'm reading this thread. Otherwise I'd never really notice them.

 

[yiwonder]

The 753DF will not have those two lines because it uses a shadow mask instead of an aperture grille. However, the shadow mask monitors generally are not as sharp as aperture grille monitors. I suggest looking at a comparison between two similar models were one is a shadow mask and the other is an aperture grille monitor. Also, I think you should see if there is a monitor with the two lines and just work or play on the computer. After a while, I bet you'll completely forget about them until you look for the lines again.

 

[QwErTyBk]

These were very distinct lines. As I said, with Microsoft Word, you see them crisp and clear! I don't think I could forget about them. Even with the greenish/blue default desktop color I could still see them very well.

I'm thinking about getting that Samsung 753DF...you say the quality is worse, but there are no black lines? How much worse is the quality?

Anyone else have opinions on the samsung, or have any idea what that error message described in my initial post means?

Thanks everyone for the responses! Keep em comin'

 

[EdipisReks]

that error message probably mean a: the system it was running on is crap, b: the monitor was crap, or c: both a and b. if it is a system that has never had a problem, then the answer is b. i use trinitron monitors all day at work, and the lines don't bother me even in word and excel. i mean, they aren't that dark. still, whatever blows your skirt up.

--jacob

 

[PliotronX]

Well it's a totally legit complaint, many feel the same way about the damper wires. To make it easy, if all you use your computer for is staring at text all day, a shadow mask monitor will do a better job, and without the lines. However, if you do any graphics editing at all, or play games, the Trinitron will overall look better.

Although you should look into the Samsung NF line or Mitsubishi with the Diamondtron tubes as they are a very good compromise of both strengths of SM and FD monitors.

 

[RedShirt]

I'm sorry, but if you let those lines bother you... I believe you are a perfectionist.

Trinitron tubes are vastly supieror in almost every way... except they have these two lines... I'd take more vibrant colors and sharper image quality and deal with the 2 almost unnoticable lines.

 

[eeut]

Don't stare at it, which I did when I bought a sony 100es long time ago. Bothered me alot, then I found out that it's there to hold the grilles together. It is still my fav. mon. for clear and sharp output. didn't have probs w/it.

 

[JoPalm]

I think both the trinitrons and diamondtrons have those black lines. For sure the trinitrons. It's "unique". hehe. Some ppl i know like it cause then they can tell if it's a real one or not....The nec fe700 has these 2 lines and i've heard it's a diamontron tube. i don't know though.g

 

[jaggrey]

<< The vendor told me that all Sony Trinitrons have these lines (which look like a row of dead pixels). He said that it was a trademark for real trinitrons or something. Well, all the other trinitrons had this increadibly annoying &quot;Feature.&quot; so i believed him.

Why would sony permanently and physically do something like that to their monitors? It looks terrible with these 2 black lines going across. Just doesn't seem right.

On a side note...
By the way, when i hooked one of these up to HalfLife, the monitor came up with an error saying that the &quot;information was out of scan range&quot; or somehting like that. The salesperson had no clue what it meant. What may have caused that, and how could it be fixed? >>



Well, #1 if it looked like &quot;a row of dead pixels&quot; then the Trinitrons that he was selling were crap. I've owned 3 Trinitrons (nothing wrong with them, just went from 15&quot; to 17&quot; to 19&quot; now) and i barely notice the lines.

#2, if he didn't know what &quot;Information was out of scan range&quot; meant, then he barely knows what he's selling. It just means that in the game the refresh rate was too high or too low.

 

[LXi]

The salesman WAS right about the Trinitron trademark, or should I say, Aperture Grille's trademark, if he told you those are dead pixels he should be fired, but I think that's just QwErTyBk's perception. Monitors that utilize Sony's FDTrinitron or Mitsubishi's DiamondTronNF will feature these damper wires. Dont think you'll forget about these lines? Well, that's what many Aperture Grille owners said before they bought it, and look at them now. If you hadnt remind me of those lines, I wouldnt know they're there. I for one, likes Aperture Grille better than Shadow Mask. If Sony makes pieces of crap, then everybody makes pieces of crap.

 

[Schlocemus]

I have a Sony Trinitron and it is absolutely wonderful. You do not notice the lines unless you look for them It is a supid reason to not buy an excellent monitor because of the lines, trust me - you'll get used to them, and pretty soon you wont even see them anymore

 

[Smbu]

All aperture grill monitors(w/ Sony FD Trinitro and Mitsubishi Diamondtron NF tubes) have those 2 lines. I have owned my IBM P96 monitor (19&quot; FD Trinitron) for several months now and I never even notice the 2 lines. I had forgotten all about them until I read the title of this thread. Even after I've been reminded that they are there I don't notice them unless I specifically look for them. FD Trinitron and Diamondtron NF monitors are IMO much better than standard Shadow Mask monitors. It's very hard to go back to using a Shadow Mask monitor since I've been using my flat FD Trinitron monitor.

 

[crt1530]

The lines do not bother me at all. All I can say is that I am NEVER going to buy another non-flat screen.