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Lifer
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3rd woman disses about an unwanted sexual advance and there is a picture. In a vacuum it wouldn't be that bad since he "asked" for a kiss but the timing along with the other accusation makes me think Cuomo is in deep doo-doo

Gov. Cuomo accused of making unwanted advances at wedding (nypost.com)



Like @Meghan54 said Trumptards have nowhere to go because the left hold their own accountable for misdeeds. The right lets everything slide. The right has no standards.

Why does he look like he's auditioning for a spin-off of the Hellboy movies?
 
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PingSpike

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Why does he look like he's auditioning for a spin-off of the Hellboy movies?

I was thinking the same thing. I've seen that red targeting light on cameras just before the snap, maybe there are multiple cameras on him.
 
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Pohemi

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Yawn, I think it is really odd that it seems more people are concerned about the alleged sexual harassment than they do about the old people he killed in the care facilities.
You are feigning concern over imagining other people's concern. That's like...inception concern level!
I understand. Its inconvenient to acknowledge both assholes "killed people" with their actions but that you might be more concerned about the lesser of the two just a bit more.
Yeah, OK. Every post doesn't need to involve Trump.
No, It's because this thread has nothing to do with him.
The thread also has (had) nothing to do with the NY nursing homes fiasco until you came in and shat all over it with your faux concern over imagined prioritization of concern.
I guess you were asleep when all the NY nursing home stories came out.
He conveniently doesn't recall that, because he's a dishonest piece of shit.
 
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Did Trump do it? Those 25 allegations against him? He didn't resign from office because of them and has not has gone to jail. Why should Cuomo? Is it because he has a funnier face than Trump or something else? Oh yeah - It came back to me. Cuomo is a despised Democrat and Trump is a beloved Republican who is untouchable, not indictable or prosecutable.
 
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I seem to recall there were at least two New York dems posting on this board about what a POS Cuomo is, before these allegations, and long before COVID even. So...

There may be some convenience factor here where flushing Cuomo with these allegations takes off some of the heat in other places.

I think the comparison's to Trump here are more a willingness to actually consider allegations with surface credibility instead of corrupt counter-attack without adequate consideration of the evidence.
 

dank69

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There may be some convenience factor here where flushing Cuomo with these allegations takes off some of the heat in other places.

I think the comparison's to Trump here are more a willingness to actually consider allegations with surface credibility instead of corrupt counter-attack without adequate consideration of the evidence.
The comparisons to Trump here are because we are rightfully fed up with the faux concerns of conservatives and "independents." As far as I am concerned, the political opinion of anyone who has not been voting straight Democrat since 1996 is worth less than used toilet paper.

And people who actually voted for Trump? I'd seriously consider legalizing one punch in the mouth any time they feel obligated to share their political opinion in public.
 

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The comparisons to Trump here are because we are rightfully fed up with the faux concerns of conservatives and "independents." As far as I am concerned, the political opinion of anyone who has not been voting straight Democrat since 1996 is worth less than used toilet paper.

And people who actually voted for Trump? I'd seriously consider legalizing one punch in the mouth any time they feel obligated to share their political opinion in public.

Agreed. It's not that it isn't valid to bring up bad behavior on the part of democrats. Like with Neera Tanden's "mean tweets." It's that I have zero interest in discussing these matters except with fellow democrats. So far as I'm concerned, the children can sit in their corner with their mouths shut while the adults have an adult conversation.
 
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ALL politicians, bar none are scum. They all lied, cheated and connived to get their positions. Not a single one of them are fully honorable.

The question here remains .... did he do this? Or is someone trying to 'get him'?
 
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ALL politicians, bar none are scum. They all lied, cheated and connived to get their positions. Not a single one of them are fully honorable.

The question here remains .... did he do this? Or is someone trying to 'get him'?

That is painting everything with way too broad a brush. There is no basis for making a distinction between one politician and another, or one party and another, based on this premise.

And it's a cliché, by the way. I've been hearing people say it my entire life and most of the people who say it frankly aren't all that bright. It's the kind of thing that people of mediocre intelligence say to make people think they actually know something about politics.
 

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Yawn, I think it is really odd that it seems more people are concerned about the alleged sexual harassment than they do about the old people he killed in the care facilities.

Politically, the coverup was worse than sending Covid infected patients back to nursing homes. Coverup is always worse than the crime. He should get canned/recalled for that alone, but that’s up to New Yorkers. With the assault allegations though, his best option is to resign now vs dragging others down with him in an election. Supposedly the Lt. Gov is quite capable and popular.
 
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All I know is that anytime an apology puts the blame on the other people, not on the actor, I don't put much stock in it. So, "I'm sorry some people misinterpreted what I said" instead of "I'm sorry my words hurt others" just doesn't do it for me.
 

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I'm not comparing Trump to Cuomo.

You can if you want to...

Except... that’s the entire reason why Cuomo started looking good during Covid in the first place—next to Trump he’s a Saint. Next to any other Dem—he’s a goon with mobster DNA.
 
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I seem to recall there were at least two New York dems posting on this board about what a POS Cuomo is, before these allegations, and long before COVID even. So...

I don't recall putting much thought into Cuomo but one thing is for sure.
Every teacher I know bitched about him.
 
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The Little Don wants to get a book deal cancelled while railing against people trying to get stuff cancelled.

 

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I don't recall putting much thought into Cuomo but one thing is for sure.
Every teacher I know bitched about him.
At the beginning of the pandemic he was one of the few governors that stepped up (in part because NY got hit so bad) as opposed to trump who essentially said "fuck it".
So despite not living in NY state, I for one appreciated the leadership at a time when it was desperately needed.
Now that this has come out? Let the independent counsel do its work in accordance with the law. Should he resign? Probably. But I'm confident that a proper investigation can and will be done, so I'm content to let it take its course.
 
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Pohemi

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Now that this has come out? Let the independent counsel do its work in accordance with the law. Should he resign? Probably. But I'm confident that a proper investigation can and will be done, so I'm content to let it take its course.
Wait...so you mean you won't just handwave it away as fakenews and a "political witchhunt"? Mighty un-rethuglicon of you.
 
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pmv

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As an MD, I'm not really sure what if any culpability Cuomo has here. It's a rock/hard place situation. No one wanted to touch any patient coming from a hospital COVID or otherwise early in the pandemic, and that leaves you wasting hospital resources trying to place a stable patient with nowhere to go that can meet their care needs (and exacerbate shortages of PPE, hospital beds, etc.). From an infection control standpoint, I imagine nearly all patients who were DC in that position, even if still testing PCR positive, were not infectious, although the scientific certainty at the time was much less. It is reasonable to consider whether his policies actually caused any harm at all. Nursing homes and other long term care facilities were destined to be infectious hotbeds regardless, and with NYC being an epicenter before having knowledge, protocols, adequate supply of PPE in place, etc., you would expect much worse outcomes than elsewhere. Even should Cuomo have done something wrong, the question here is more about was he responsibly acting on the best information at the time rather than judging by the results.

All this said, I'm only peripherally familiar with the information. My recollection involves some allegations of suppressing data about infections, for example, but I don't recall the details and may be flat wrong. Things like that would be a problem, though.

I don't know how you judge something like that. Exactly the same thing happened here in the UK. Presumably for the same reasons - because they didn't want them taking up hospital beds ('bed blocking' they call it). Sweden, likewise, failed dismally at keeping care-home residents safe (presumably in their case for the different reason that there were no restrictions on how and where the care-home workers could mix in their off-time, so they probably bought it into the care homes). It was inept and badly planned, but can it be excused on the basis that nobody knew quite what they were dealing with at that point? I don't know.

Just as I didn't really know how to vote in the 'how many deaths will Trump be responsible for' thread (so I didn't vote). It's really hard to attribute responsibility for specific numbers in things like that, because it involves counter-factuals (what could have been done differently and how would that have affected the outcome in terms of death rates?).

I think it was fairly clear here at the time that the government had screwed-up the PPE provision for those care-home workers - I don't know if that was the case with NYC?


 

K1052

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Cuomo says he isn't resigning, which isn't a shock. The apology here kind of paves the way for other stories that might come out it would seem.

He's survived a lot of controversies over the years but his next election seems likely to attract serious Dem challengers for a change.
 

Lanyap

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Something is really weird with this story....
The liberal media seems to be going after Cuomo much more than the right wing media. Liberals apparently want Cuomo gone asap. I don't get it. If we are doing comparisons here, hasn't Donald Trump done much worse? And that doesn't even include Stormy Daniels. I don't know much about Cuomo other than this attack on Cuomo must be some New Yorker thing? Where the New Yorkers want Cuomo to go for whatever reason? They put up with Trump yet they want Cuomo out? I'm baffled. After all, no one died (Trump has killed thousands), no money was paid, (again, Trump and Stormy), and who the F really cares? Slap Cuomo on the wrist and fine him or have him apologies (oh, he did THAT). Is this some New York attempt to put the lieutenant governor in charge? A Woman? Is that it ??? We all know what will happen next if Cuomo is forced out over THIS, next it will be THIS.....

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That Biden picture has context.
 

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I don't know how you judge something like that. Exactly the same thing happened here in the UK. Presumably for the same reasons - because they didn't want them taking up hospital beds ('bed blocking' they call it). Sweden, likewise, failed dismally at keeping care-home residents safe (presumably in their case for the different reason that there were no restrictions on how and where the care-home workers could mix in their off-time, so they probably bought it into the care homes). It was inept and badly planned, but can it be excused on the basis that nobody knew quite what they were dealing with at that point? I don't know.

Just as I didn't really know how to vote in the 'how many deaths will Trump be responsible for' thread (so I didn't vote). It's really hard to attribute responsibility for specific numbers in things like that, because it involves counter-factuals (what could have been done differently and how would that have affected the outcome in terms of death rates?).

I think it was fairly clear here at the time that the government had screwed-up the PPE provision for those care-home workers - I don't know if that was the case with NYC?



It requires qualified people like inspectors general doing audits and utilizing heavily experts in the relevant fields. Results are not the principal way to judge. If someone is negligent in preventing an anticipated result or negligent in acting upon the lessons learned from a particular result, those are paths to scrutiny. Those transgressions are apparent in Trump's pandemic handling, but assigning a number to him alone is not a legitimate aim for an objective analysis of his leadership surrounding COVID. Nor should it be for Cuomo. Part of the reason I'm not trying to dig through media reports on this story are because I know they are very unlikely to contain a complete context needed to render an assessment here.
 
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