It's amusing that you believe there is a difference. I bet you think Soros cares about you because you defend him. Did he send a Christmas card last year?
It's amusing you can't see the difference between intentionally stealing oil and intentionally polluting the earth with someone make a forex transaction. You're retarded.
What is your history and experience with such programs in the past?
It's amusing that you believe there is a difference. I bet you think Soros cares about you because you defend him. Did he send a Christmas card last year?
You made a claim that $0 would go to school supplies, you have no proof of that. There are always "welfare queens in Cadillacs" stories being spread that we later find out are BS, and maybe there is some abuse, but you have no proof that ALL of the money is misspent. You need to apologize for calling all of the recipients thieves.
It's amusing you don't see the difference. Did Soros touch you in a 'bad place' when you were a kid?
You didn't answer the question, you made an absolute. I want proof of this. How often has Soros made a trade that had these consequences? Sounds like he should be crashing everything every time he hits the 'submit' button.
So you can spend an entire thread defending a guy who made a billion dollars in one day by basically collapsing the currency of an entire country, yet you spend another whole thread calling for the punishment of a guy who made a lot of money off of CDOs.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=296733&highlight=betting
Many other posters have pointed out how ridiculous your arguments are...the sooner you come to deal with your hackery the sooner you can begin to recover.
Oh and please tell me what regulations ship jobs overseas? Oh, you want Americans to work for 80 cents an hour to compete with the Chinese? Is that it? Look how terrible you are.
What? Is this some sort of new math? If every person got $200, but average of that that got to the kids is $0, that means ALL of the money is gone, and EVERY person spent $200 on something else.
Give me a break. If you want to play word games then lets play word games. I never said $0 would go toward school supplies. I said it would AVERAGE $0. So for every person that spent $200, there was someone who took the $200 and spent another $200 on something they didn't need because of the money.
I also never called them thieves. So are you going to keep lying or are you just a little slow? I only made mention of 'thieves' after you and another person did and Hayabusa pointed out there was taxpayer money involved. And then I said 'maybe the people using the term 'theft' were accurate'. Since I didn't call anyone a thief that statement doesn't even apply to me. But maybe it does to you? Are you so bigoted that you think anyone who is poor is a thief? You must be because that implication never came from me.
What? Is this some sort of new math? If every person got $200, but average of that that got to the kids is $0, that means ALL of the money is gone, and EVERY person spent $200 on something else.
No, you think that everyone poor is a thief who takes money intended for school supplies and spends it on something else. You are the bigot here, nice try, but only people whose reading and logic are as bad as your math are going to buy it.
More simple mindedness from Phokus.
Tell me, if we reduce our wages to make our labor competitive as I suggest, or start paying $80 for an $8 dollar item as the result of what you suggest, is not our standard of living reduced just the same? Or have you not thought this through enough to understand the simple economics of it all?
Our manfacturing jobs went overseas because unskilled labor demanded upper middle class wages and benefits. Period. Now, we can either pass HUGE trade restrictions and regulations to stop offshoring (historically an economic disaster, and what made the great depression so bad) which will, in turn, cause prices on consumer goods to skyrocket and kill a great many American companies (thus causing even higher unemployment, this is exactly what happened in the 30s), OR we can lower wages to make our labor competitive on the world market.
Either way, the answer to stopping offshoring is to lower the standard of living for unskilled manufactoring jobs. Period. One plan (yours) makes the US non-competitive, the other plan (mine) makes us an economic superpower.
You KNOW your wages are FAR too high for unskilled labor when it is cheaper to make durable AND non-durable goods half way around the world, ship it all the way back and STILL make a fucking profit. The fucking shipping cost ALONE is MORE than a marketable wage for unskilled labor. But NO! They (unions) wanted so much more that companies found it cheaper to ship all that shit all over the planet and STILL make a profit.
Look how terrible *I* am??? Seriously? Phokus, I see reality. You see "good and evil" just like a fucking fundie bible beater.
Ahahahahahah, i was going to respond to you, but get the fuck out of here, where did i say that at all, i don't make half that much and i'm in a white collar middle class job with what i consider a good wage. You're fucking retarded and a liar to boot.
I guess making shit up about "Koch donating more than Soros" wasn't enough.
Hint: the reason why you're wrong about everything is the supply of labor far outstrips the demand for labor. Speaking of not understanding economics...
"Unlike the Koch brothers, who stealthily donate to causes intended to destroy America, Soros is transparent to who he donates to and he donates to worthy causes"
Oh, so you believe labor is a commodity?
Well, then, why can you not see why there is offshoring when the commodity is pricing itself out of the market?
The basis of this thread was you touting Soros' contribution and contrasting that 100 million contribution to the Koch's, claiming:
Then I posted the Charitable foundations of the Koch's showing they do, in fact, give generously to many worthy causes.
Whoops... Thread backfire. And you've spent the ENTIRE thread bleating on and on about everything BUT the fact that your orginial post was flat wrong. You've tried deflection, tangents and insults. None of those change the fact that your first post was flatly wrong.
The Koch's are neither "stealthy" nor are their causes seeking to "destroy America." They, JUST LIKE SOROS, support causes they believe in. Period. It is YOU who thinks one side is "evil" and the other side is "good" and thus seeks to demonize the Koch's. When, in fact, all it makes you look like is a brainwashed fundie bleating on and on about "good and evil."
The Koch's and Soros are the SAME. You just disagree with what the Koch's support, and thus paint them as "evil." You support Soros' causes, and thus paint him as "good. When, in fact, they are exactly the same: Two rich families supporting the political and charitable causes they believe in. Period
I didn't lie, Phokus. Not once.
or start paying $80 for an $8 dollar item as the result of what you suggest
Oh wow, a billionare donates to charity, big fucking deal.
I honestly thought Phokus was a better poster than this because I had the impression he was respected, but holy shit. Someone must be practicing their spin in hopes of getting Bill O'Reilly's job.
Might want to read through the whole thread, especially the part where Amused disappears after i catch him in pure BS lie.
edit: now 2 lies.
It must be a pretty big deal to you, you started a thread about it.
Might want to read through the whole thread, especially the part where Amused disappears after i catch him in pure BS lie.
edit: now 2 lies.
I think it is telling the only resident libs who feel the need to defend Jokus are senseamp and dave mcowned.
Tells you how bad this thread has backfired on poor jokus.
You caught me in nothing, Phokus. No lies. Sorry.
Your thread backfired, miserably. To everyone who enters you sound like a mindless politically religious hack.
I apologize. I meant in comprison to wealth. The Koch Family is worth about 4 billion, just a fraction of Soro's worth. They have donated an average of 10 million a year for the last decade if sourcewatch is correct, with an additional 200 million to Cancer and hundreds of millions to the arts and education.
The Koch's ARE as public as legally required with their donations. They are, however, more private than Soros and tend to not like the public eye. That's not "evil" Phokus. Just because you don't blow your own horn when donating does not make it "evil." In fact, I find it kinda admirable. They give without bragging about it. It's actually kinda hard to find info on even their most charitable gifts.
At any rate your thread backfired still the same.